Knowing you, not totally unexpected.

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[quote]Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
[b] We haven't said there was no issue, the issue being some basic consideration for the model as a HUMAN BEING. Where did we ever give up on that one. In reading her postings, I haven't found that. You certainly won't find it in mine.



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I confess to not being in class that day.

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I wonder how many of you have been an 18 year old girl. Yes, she should have walked away but on the other hand she should never have found herself in such a situation.

Being 18,new to the biz and in a room full of men can be just a bit intimidating.

Its not only 18 year old girls that have things like this happen to thim in the buisness.

I had an experiance last year when I was doing some modeling that put me off doing any more shoots for a while.

This photographer contacted me after seeing me in a magazine (he was passed to me by the magazine) and wanted to do a shoot for his new website.

So, I did everything I should do..I had him send me some samples of his work to make sure he was for real. I asked for a reference to another model that had worked for him and I set up with him before hand what I was willing to do and what I wasn't.

On the day, I arrived at his house (where the studio was), got into costume and we started taking photos. Great, fine. Everything goes as plan..I get naked and do the nude shots without any problem.

Then just before we are done he turns around and his dick is hanging out of his pants, camera in hand. Now, I had told him that I wasn't willing to do hardcore stuff because I was on my own (if I had a 'watcher' there to protect me then maybe but not with the photgrapher). He asked me to 'demonstrate my talents' and told me that all the other models beofre me had gone through with it so I should as well.

Did I? No. I got dressed and walked out. However, as a 23 year old BBW who knew her rights, it was still bloody scary.

Now, if it had been a room full of men, I may have been worried about what would have happened to both me and my reputation as a model if I had tried to leave.



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Hearing that sort of thing hurts, because it colors a girl's perception of every photographer she encounters from that time forward.

Unfortunately, a few photographers and a lot of webmasters seem to get into this business primarily for nonbusiness sexual purposes. Many (not all) webmasters are people who are a step beyond their surfer clients. They do not just LIKE porn, they want to be immersed in it as well. They want their personal lives to be pornographic.

Now, I'm not really against a photographer and a model having a social life if they hit it off and have some common interests (heaven knows, I've socialized with a few?very few?myself), but what kind of sleazeball tries to get a date much less a BJ out of a model by wagging his weenie? And what does that say about his respect for, not just her, but for womankind?

I even steer models away from very legit hardcore done by consummate pros, because I think it totally changes many people's perception of her from being a pretty girl model valued for her beauty and allure to being "just a ho who gives a pretty good hummer." (Now, just to be clear, I'm not saying that's MY attitude; rather I'm saying it's one a girl who goes hard is going to have to live with on the part of many people. And it will often change how they treat her and the quality of work she is offered.)

Actually I know two very nice gals who've done hardcore, and I love them both. One of them has decided it was a mistake, and I'm pretty sure the other one will figure it out one of these days.

I admire Toasty for sticking to her principles despite the fact she could likely make much more money by packing her suitcase and heading off to So. Cal. to offer every orifice of her body up to the Gods of Porn, where she'd most likely make big money for about two years then be pretty much discarded as old news.

This industry is a bit hypocritical in its treatment of women: They SAY "Women are exalted; after all, they get paid much more than the male performers." Well, am I the only one noticing that with a precious few exceptions, the female porn stars of 25 or so years ago have disappeared from the scene, whereas very many of the males from that period are still at it?

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Unseen...you are just rambling away to yourself...have you nothing better to do with your time than trying to see how long you can make this thread??? for the love of god...move on!

I'm sure some see it that way and some do not.

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Although I respect Unseens views on the hardcore topic, I do not fully agree. Girls involved in this business can and do get disrespect no matter if they are doing hardcore or softcore. This thread is living proof of that. Off the top of my head I can think of 6 girls who have worked with Unseen and have shot hard core girl/boy stuff for others without having any problems. The girls usually do not advertise what they have done to those who they know do not do hard core shoots. This is why Unseen says he only knows 2 girls that have done it.

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