Should I Ban AdStats? - GoFuckYourself.com

2HousePlague · 02-09-2005, 03:40 PM

The Issue

Please opine if you are familiar with the alleged offender and the offense.

Also, feel free to offer any verifiable material facts that you feel should figure into the decision.

Many Thanks!

j-

Rui · 02-09-2005, 03:50 PM

Hell yeah...you should had banned them long time ago

pornstar2pac · 02-09-2005, 03:51 PM

opine is Bill O' Riley's catch phrase

KRosh · 02-09-2005, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

Hell yeah...you should had banned them long time ago

what is your reason for that ?

WiredGuy · 02-09-2005, 03:55 PM

More importantly, let us know where these checks are going to. I'm sure there's a few people that would love to get their hands on those AdStats wires that went missing

WG

KRosh · 02-09-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

More importantly, let us know where these checks are going to. I'm sure there's a few people that would love to get their hands on those AdStats wires that went missing

WG

Now that is the most sensible thing anyone has said so far ..good work WG

pradaboy · 02-09-2005, 04:36 PM

I'm not familiar with this case, but if you had to shut down an affiliate everytime someone claims to have been scammed by them and it isn't linked to their promotion of your program you'd have a fulltime job. If he doesn't break your rules I don't see why you should kick him out.

Again I have no idea what this person/company did but they did nothing to AFF and as long as they promote them in accordance with TOS I can't see why AFF would cut them off

spideriux · 02-09-2005, 04:39 PM

Voted No, why you should ban it :/

2HousePlague · 02-09-2005, 04:41 PM

Hmmm....

70 views of this thread, and only 4 votes so far (Well, 3 votes, really -- I had to vote just to view the running tally).

I guess the major "opiners" are offline right now.

j-

samsam · 02-09-2005, 04:41 PM

Theres no way AFF should even consider banning adstats or else be consistent and prosecute all the illegal 404 people as well. Adstats is doing nothing that violates the terms and no-one has to use adstats either.

Its none of AFFs business what adstats does to acquire traffic to that
program if they not violating terms of business. If people dont like what adstats is doing, they should just let people know and/or stay off the program.

2HousePlague · 02-09-2005, 06:30 PM

Well, the apparent disinterest is telling.

j-

aeon · 02-09-2005, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Well, the apparent disinterest is telling.

j-

There's nothing telling. You wanna do business with a theif that's up to you but rest assured, it'll come back to bite you in the ass. People that got scammed won't forget.

Jace · 02-09-2005, 07:05 PM

when you say "I", who are you referring to? what site, program, etc....

give me more details please, i wasn't involved with all this the first time around

2HousePlague · 02-09-2005, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

when you say "I", who are you referring to? what site, program, etc....

AdultFriendFinder

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

give me more details please, i wasn't involved with all this the first time around

We're in the same boat. I'm hoping to gather some information here, myself.

j-

Theo · 02-09-2005, 08:42 PM

Adstats billed $15mil in excess in a timeframe of 90-100 days without paying anyone besides the first wire or so. Props to them for screwing the majority of webmasters and still having people to support them for fairplay.

OzMan · 02-09-2005, 08:44 PM

People, take a step back for a minute and remember there is no connection between adstats and AFF.

Do affiliate programs conduct background/criminal/credit checks on you when you sign up as an affiliate? I would assume generally no.

I am sure I could sign up as Osama bin laden or Charles Manson and be instantly approved by most programs.

So, AFF didn't know anything about the individual who signed up to promote AFF on Adstats sites. It probably wasn't even Jon Silverton or whatever the Aussie fisherman scammer's name is.

Apparently the guy has not broken AFF TOS otherwise he would be "cut off" rather quickly as Jack graphically pointed out to us recently.

So now that AFF knows one of their affiliates has ripped off people in the past, do they have a legal/moral/ethical obligation to can him?

I don't think they do as he has not broken AFF TOS. It is too much of a risky gray area to get into and I think it is better they remain neutral. Otherwise webmasters will be requesting affiliate programs to terminate any other webmaster they don't like for any reason whatsoever.

I would also assume an affiliate program is legally bound not to divulge personal information unless subpoened.

So all you guys that didn't get paid, why haven't you got together before now,.. wasn't it like a year ago? .. and gone after Adstats instead of somehow now holding AFF responsible and threatening to stop your traffic to AFF or some other immature reaction. Australia is not Afghanistan, they do have a legal system there last time I looked.

I can guarantee many of you know other webmasters who don't play by the books, yet you still promote the same sponsors as them so please drop the holier than thou attitude. You took an obvious risk when promoting Adstats, some got paid nicely, some got burned bad, thems the breaks.

pradaboy · 02-09-2005, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OzMan

People, take a step back for a minute and remember there is no connection between adstats and AFF.

Do affiliate programs conduct background/criminal/credit checks on you when you sign up as an affiliate? I would assume generally no.

I am sure I could sign up as Osama bin laden or Charles Manson and be instantly approved by most programs.

So, AFF didn't know anything about the individual who signed up to promote AFF on Adstats sites. It probably wasn't even Jon Silverton or whatever the Aussie fisherman scammer's name is.

Apparently the guy has not broken AFF TOS otherwise he would be "cut off" rather quickly as Jack graphically pointed out to us recently.

So now that AFF knows one of their affiliates has ripped off people in the past, do they have a legal/moral/ethical obligation to can him?

I don't think they do as he has not broken AFF TOS. It is too much of a risky gray area to get into and I think it is better they remain neutral. Otherwise webmasters will be requesting affiliate programs to terminate any other webmaster they don't like for any reason whatsoever.

I would also assume an affiliate program is legally bound not to divulge personal information unless subpoened.

So all you guys that didn't get paid, why haven't you got together before now,.. wasn't it like a year ago? .. and gone after Adstats instead of somehow now holding AFF responsible and threatening to stop your traffic to AFF or some other immature reaction. Australia is not Afghanistan, they do have a legal system there last time I looked.

I can guarantee many of you know other webmasters who don't play by the books, yet you still promote the same sponsors as them so please drop the holier than thou attitude. You took an obvious risk when promoting Adstats, some got paid nicely, some got burned bad, thems the breaks.

WORD! excellent post

Rui · 02-10-2005, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRosh

what is your reason for that ?

Maybe because the amount of people they scammed eh...

You seem to be kissing Adstats ass all over the board, is there something you ain't telling us?

J$tyle$ · 02-10-2005, 03:10 AM

People are complaining about the money they lost, rightfully so BUT ... WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY SOME OF YOU GUYS MADE???

Don't get me wrong, it sucks that they owe tons of money BUT isn't that the risk most of you took KNOWING that it could go away in the blink of an eye?

C'mon - you had to see it coming!

Most did, but you couldn't really do much by that point!

I really feel bad for everyone that lost money or had money owed ... and I know and it really SUCKS BALLS for the people that got in at the tail end ... but for the people that got in early ... when the timing was ripe - let's be real for a sec ... you enjoyed the ride while it lasted - didn't you?

I know ya did!

the Shemp · 02-10-2005, 03:15 AM

thanks JS, i feel a lot better now, hehe

J$tyle$ · 02-10-2005, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp

thanks JS, i feel a lot better now, hehe

I'm certainly not trying to belittle anyone that lost money, Shemp

It fuckin' SUCKS, I know!!!

I'm just saying "THINK ABOUT THE SILVER LINING" for the ones that got in at the right time ... and don't dwell on thae bad shit!

Hope you're feeling good and having a great 2005, BTW!

the Shemp · 02-10-2005, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J$tyle$

I'm certainly not trying to belittle anyone that lost money, Shemp

It fuckin' SUCKS, I know!!!

I'm just saying "THINK ABOUT THE SILVER LINING" for the ones that got in at the right time ... and don't dwell on thae bad shit!

Hope you're feeling good and having a great 2005, BTW!

im doing better JS, 2005 is off to a good start...

as for adstats....

well i got in late and got zero from them, so i assume some of my money went to pay the people that got in early.. it looks like i will have to revisit what sponsors we deal with, in regards to the people that are currently supporting adstats...

Mutt · 02-10-2005, 03:54 AM

anybody who did business with Jon Atherton deserves exactly what they got.

i continue to wish a terminal disease on that piece of shit.

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02-09-2005, 03:40 PM	#1
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Should I Ban AdStats? The Issue Please opine if you are familiar with the alleged offender and the offense. Also, feel free to offer any verifiable material facts that you feel should figure into the decision. Many Thanks! j- __________________ tada!

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02-09-2005, 04:36 PM	#7
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	I'm not familiar with this case, but if you had to shut down an affiliate everytime someone claims to have been scammed by them and it isn't linked to their promotion of your program you'd have a fulltime job. If he doesn't break your rules I don't see why you should kick him out. Again I have no idea what this person/company did but they did nothing to AFF and as long as they promote them in accordance with TOS I can't see why AFF would cut them off __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

02-09-2005, 03:50 PM	#2
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Hell yeah...you should had banned them long time ago

02-09-2005, 04:39 PM	#8
spideriux Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17,227	Voted No, why you should ban it :/ __________________ FreeOnes

02-09-2005, 04:41 PM	#9
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Hmmm.... 70 views of this thread, and only 4 votes so far (Well, 3 votes, really -- I had to vote just to view the running tally). I guess the major "opiners" are offline right now. j- __________________ tada!

02-09-2005, 04:41 PM	#10
samsam So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fla Posts: 682	Theres no way AFF should even consider banning adstats or else be consistent and prosecute all the illegal 404 people as well. Adstats is doing nothing that violates the terms and no-one has to use adstats either. Its none of AFFs business what adstats does to acquire traffic to that program if they not violating terms of business. If people dont like what adstats is doing, they should just let people know and/or stay off the program.

02-09-2005, 06:30 PM	#11
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Well, the apparent disinterest is telling. j- __________________ tada!

02-09-2005, 07:05 PM	#13
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	when you say "I", who are you referring to? what site, program, etc.... give me more details please, i wasn't involved with all this the first time around

02-09-2005, 08:42 PM	#15
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Adstats billed $15mil in excess in a timeframe of 90-100 days without paying anyone besides the first wire or so. Props to them for screwing the majority of webmasters and still having people to support them for fairplay.

02-09-2005, 08:44 PM	#16
OzMan Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Begas Posts: 9,162	People, take a step back for a minute and remember there is no connection between adstats and AFF. Do affiliate programs conduct background/criminal/credit checks on you when you sign up as an affiliate? I would assume generally no. I am sure I could sign up as Osama bin laden or Charles Manson and be instantly approved by most programs. So, AFF didn't know anything about the individual who signed up to promote AFF on Adstats sites. It probably wasn't even Jon Silverton or whatever the Aussie fisherman scammer's name is. Apparently the guy has not broken AFF TOS otherwise he would be "cut off" rather quickly as Jack graphically pointed out to us recently. So now that AFF knows one of their affiliates has ripped off people in the past, do they have a legal/moral/ethical obligation to can him? I don't think they do as he has not broken AFF TOS. It is too much of a risky gray area to get into and I think it is better they remain neutral. Otherwise webmasters will be requesting affiliate programs to terminate any other webmaster they don't like for any reason whatsoever. I would also assume an affiliate program is legally bound not to divulge personal information unless subpoened. So all you guys that didn't get paid, why haven't you got together before now,.. wasn't it like a year ago? .. and gone after Adstats instead of somehow now holding AFF responsible and threatening to stop your traffic to AFF or some other immature reaction. Australia is not Afghanistan, they do have a legal system there last time I looked. I can guarantee many of you know other webmasters who don't play by the books, yet you still promote the same sponsors as them so please drop the holier than thou attitude. You took an obvious risk when promoting Adstats, some got paid nicely, some got burned bad, thems the breaks.

02-10-2005, 03:10 AM	#19
J$tyle$ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 11,500	People are complaining about the money they lost, rightfully so BUT ... WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY SOME OF YOU GUYS MADE??? Don't get me wrong, it sucks that they owe tons of money BUT isn't that the risk most of you took KNOWING that it could go away in the blink of an eye? C'mon - you had to see it coming! Most did, but you couldn't really do much by that point! I really feel bad for everyone that lost money or had money owed ... and I know and it really SUCKS BALLS for the people that got in at the tail end ... but for the people that got in early ... when the timing was ripe - let's be real for a sec ... you enjoyed the ride while it lasted - didn't you? I know ya did! Last edited by J$tyle$; 02-10-2005 at 03:12 AM..

02-10-2005, 03:15 AM	#20
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	thanks JS, i feel a lot better now, hehe __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

02-10-2005, 03:54 AM	#23
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	anybody who did business with Jon Atherton deserves exactly what they got. i continue to wish a terminal disease on that piece of shit. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!