How does CAMS.COM pay $70 PPS ? - GoFuckYourself.com

Xenophage · 02-06-2005, 08:10 PM

All these last 5 months of payouts, People think oh this is a scam or how can he do that there i no way that anyone can pay out that kinda money !

Well thats true ! I cant pay out $70 PPS and make money in fact I loose a lot of money paying out $70 PPS. I spent over 250,000 last month in extra payouts alone than I normally do. This eats into profit margin bigtime. I am doing these insaine promotions in hopes that more people will give us a try and stick with us for a long time to come. So far so good we have had 6 months of record sales back to back!

In the coming months we are going to keep spending that $250,000 extra ad money on ad buys on tgps and other key sites. So you will start to see many many more cams.com Banners and links and galleries all over the top 30 or so tgps.

Also our new video software has helped boost up sales by 20% in the last 2 months, this means 20% more money for you on the same ammount of traffic.

If you have traffic and want to give something else a try for change give me a shot at your biz and converting your traffic.

Also there has been some discussion of late about cookies, here is my take on them and how we handle them at streamray.

1. We do URL and cookie tracking. To give you maximum sales.

2. If a user creates a free account that account is stored in the database for life so if he comes back 5 years from now and logs in and buys time you get paid !

3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

4. If a surfer bookmarks a url on our system it has the ref id in it so when they return you get sales for that as well.

5. In light of the current things brought up about cookies we will once again review our process, and adjust things to be as fair as possible for all of our webmasters to make th most $$ possible from us.

Lars

Jer · 02-06-2005, 08:16 PM

C'mon guys, sign up and eat his profit margin even more!

Digipimp · 02-06-2005, 08:17 PM

Good shit man, can you clarify something for me. You're saying $70 PPS so that's the surfer signing up for free, and then you get $70 on their first purchase right, not $70 just on the free signup right?

Xenophage · 02-06-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

Good shit man, can you clarify something for me. You're saying $70 PPS so that's the surfer signing up for free, and then you get $70 on their first purchase right, not $70 just on the free signup right?

On cams.com this month its on the first deposit of money they have to put in $20 for you to get paid out the $70

Digipimp · 02-06-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

On cams.com this month its on the first deposit of money they have to put in $20 for you to get paid out the $70

That's what I thought I was just clarifying and bumping. Thanks bro, good shit!

MyNameIsEmily · 02-06-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Sales pitch.

So you're telling us that you spent money to make money?!?!

OMFG, what a concept, lolzie!

MyNameIsEmily · 02-06-2005, 09:06 PM

oh, and I have a couple questions...

The '20% commision forever' is the plan to sign up to, right?

And are these girls really live cam girls?

SleazyDream · 02-06-2005, 09:12 PM

lars rocks

baddog · 02-06-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

lars rocks

indeed

d00t · 02-06-2005, 10:51 PM

I love the program lars and it does well for me, but I have 1 question...

I see from the stats that EVERY customer has had a $75 "load".
Correct me if I am wrong -if you get 75 bucks from every person, isnt this an instant profit and not a huge loss as you suggest?

BradShaw · 02-06-2005, 10:52 PM

aka loss leader. Biz 101 for the newbies.

Spunky · 02-06-2005, 10:55 PM

Great program,

Xenophage · 02-06-2005, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d00t

I love the program lars and it does well for me, but I have 1 question...

I see from the stats that EVERY customer has had a $75 "load".
Correct me if I am wrong -if you get 75 bucks from every person, isnt this an instant profit and not a huge loss as you suggest?

actually we give them 75 credit and most dont spend it.. and even if they do we cant for some reason charge them often we actually loose a lot more on teh $1 sites than we do on our program that is prepaid.

also remember we pay out 35-40% to models on every $1 spent. so if we pay out $70 bucks to break even each and evey customer must spend at least $150 bucks !

IceMaster · 02-06-2005, 11:51 PM

70$ is a good amount for a PPS. I will give a try it soon.

pornRefinery · 02-06-2005, 11:55 PM

Any chance I can get this banner in its original high quality:

http://banners.images.streamray.com/camscom/cams07.gif

Thanks

Rui · 02-07-2005, 07:53 AM

Why do you seem to only have cookies tracking for 1.5 days?

Juicy D. Links · 02-07-2005, 07:57 AM

same way you walk into supermarket and pay 80 cents for a 2 liter bottle of coke.
They dont make money on the coke but you might pick up bananas and zuchinnis while your there

Juicy D. Links · 02-07-2005, 08:00 AM

Lars you need any camcocks?

Xenophage · 02-07-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

Why do you seem to only have cookies tracking for 1.5 days?

If you read above you will see that cookies play a very small part in our tracking. For the most part we use url and session id tracking as well as hard coded database entries. With that being said we will review our current cookie time periods. I thought it was longer than that. When we had it set at 30 days we got a lot of complaints from webmasters, who were unhapy it was too long. Can never please all the people all the time.

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

If you read above you will see that cookies play a very small part in our tracking. For the most part we use url and session id tracking as well as hard coded database entries. With that being said we will review our current cookie time periods. I thought it was longer than that. When we had it set at 30 days we got a lot of complaints from webmasters, who were unhapy it was too long. Can never please all the people all the time.

says in here

1.5 days

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=cookie

thats probably why he is asking

Denis_SC · 02-07-2005, 10:54 AM

Yo Lars ...
Could you plz turn your ICQ on ?

Kevsh · 02-07-2005, 10:58 AM

Good post, Lars. Thanks for explaining how you track sign-ups, a lot of sponsors are unwilling to do so (or at least, without prodding them first!).

Since I've been sending traffic to cams.com I've noticed an increase in conversions so I'm sure you're going to win big-time with it

Xenophage · 02-07-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

says in here

1.5 days

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=cookie

thats probably why he is asking

Yes ok I have changed it to 30 days for now. Here is the issue we have
if you set it for say 6 months, then we get webmasters who visited our site with another webmasters ref code, and then they go to do a test signup, they dont see th sale in their stats cuzz their cookied with the other webmasters ref code they call us up and scream at us that we are stealing from them. I have had at least 20 of these phone calls over the years. So we lowered the cookie setting to please these people. Now you have the other crowd who claims we are stealing because of the 1.5 day cookie. you can not please all the people all the time.

And AS POSTED ABOVE if you have a co brand with us then the cookie does not mean anything since it is tied to the url and you get all sales to that url forever as long as the url remains active. And anyone who signs up for a free account is tagged in the database for life with that ref code. Cookies do not come into action on any of these things.

1. We do URL and cookie tracking. To give you maximum sales.

2. If a user creates a free account that account is stored in the database for life so if he comes back 5 years from now and logs in and buys time you get paid !

3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

4. If a surfer bookmarks a url on our system it has the ref id in it so when they return you get sales for that as well.

5. In light of the current things brought up about cookies we will once again review our process, and adjust things to be as fair as possible for all of our webmasters to make th most $$ possible from us.

Ideally we would like it so URL takes precident over cookie. So BOB sends traffic to cams.com bob gets ref cookie, say set for life, bobs traffic did not sign up on a free signup and did no buy time. Then JIM sends traffic to site, JIMS REF in his URL overwrites BOBS Cookie Jims traffic does not sign up for a free account. FRED sends traffic and gets his cookie on there and finally freds customer signs up for free but does not spend money that day but does so later we look up in the database that the customer login belongs to fred customer spends money and we pay fred for the sale.

On a side note if you do not overwrite cookies then people who have large volumes of traffic have an advantage over guys with few custoemrs as the big guys will get the base installs very quickly and little guys will never get any sales. since everything will be cookied by only the largest traffic sources since all traffic is pretty much from the same pool rotating around the net at this point.

In order to change the way we do cookies and urls it is going to take a rewrite of our Traffic tracker which is a week of programming. In the mean time we have set the cookie to 30 days. If you want to avoid cookies you can create a co brand where cookies are not taken into account. 95% of our traffic goes through co brands so this discussion does not affect 95% of our webmasters. Only those who send to camgirlslive cams.com and cumtv.com are effected. And I will add that that affect is minimal. I have talked to the programmers this morning and we are working on a plan to change things out to work a bit diffferetnt hat i hope will make everyone happy and make as many people the most possible money

Thanks for bringing this issue up I was not aware that the cookies were set that short.

Major (Tom) · 02-07-2005, 11:44 AM

Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour.
Great guy, great program. Simple as that

Duke

Xenophage · 02-07-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour.
Great guy, great program. Simple as that

Duke

Thanks I am honored by your words !

Though i still consider myself a self centered ego maniac, I am better than i once was

but i am wroking to my ideal of a more careing giving person.

Was great to meet you and once again thanks for the awesome dinner ! it was one of the best i attended at the show. A true class Act ! I would love to help sponsor it next year.

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Yes ok I have changed it to 30 days for now. Here is the issue we have
if you set it for say 6 months, then we get webmasters who visited our site with another webmasters ref code, and then they go to do a test signup, they dont see th sale in their stats cuzz their cookied with the other webmasters ref code they call us up and scream at us that we are stealing from them. I have had at least 20 of these phone calls over the years. So we lowered the cookie setting to please these people. Now you have the other crowd who claims we are stealing because of the 1.5 day cookie. you can not please all the people all the time..

well normally, new cookies overwrite old ones, so i dont know why these cry babies need to whine.

Sean · 02-07-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

oh, and I have a couple questions...

The '20% commision forever' is the plan to sign up to, right?

And are these girls really live cam girls?

those girls are all live. there are about 5,000 total models so there are quite a few live at any time.

the 20% program makes a lot of people happy, but you have to give it time

GotGauge · 02-07-2005, 11:59 AM

3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

I am interested in this, can you send me some information, or give me a call?
[email protected]
316.516.0784

Sean · 02-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotGauge

3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

I am interested in this, can you send me some information, or give me a call?
[email protected]
316.516.0784

do you have icq or aim?

GotGauge · 02-07-2005, 12:03 PM

22264474

Sean · 02-07-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

22264474

coming your way now

Rui · 02-07-2005, 12:16 PM

Thanks for the post Lars.

Elli · 02-07-2005, 12:17 PM

Awesome thread, Lars! Very informative

Xenophage · 02-07-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

well normally, new cookies overwrite old ones, so i dont know why these cry babies need to whine.

Man people complain about everything give them the moon and they say its too cold... its human nature to bitch and on gfy its extra that way LOL

JFK · 02-07-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Man people complain about everything give them the moon and they say its too cold... its human nature to bitch and on gfy its extra that way LOL

and its NOT made of Cheeze

Sean · 02-07-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Lars you need any camcocks?

we need a juicycam

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Man people complain about everything give them the moon and they say its too cold... its human nature to bitch and on gfy its extra that way LOL

id rather go co-branded than compplain

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-07-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour.
Great guy, great program. Simple as that

Duke

Santa Cruz People can not be beat.
They are just like that

sickkittens · 02-07-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

you might pick up bananas and zuchinnis while your there

You and Izzz might buy that stuff. I don't.

Donny · 02-07-2005, 12:47 PM

Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.

Sean · 02-07-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Santa Cruz People can not be beat.
They are just like that

tacos on the beach today i think

Donny · 02-07-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.

Found the answer to my question on your site....

http://models.streamray.com/

Sean · 02-07-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.

we will take new models all day long. [email protected] can hook that up for you

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 12:54 PM

where can i find more info on co-branding?

does it have to be: fletchxxx.streamray.com ?

can i use existing urlS?

direct me to some info, im feeling creative and need to add this to my list to do.

Xenophage · 02-07-2005, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

where can i find more info on co-branding?

does it have to be: fletchxxx.streamray.com ?

can i use existing urlS?

direct me to some info, im feeling creative and need to add this to my list to do.

yes its all in the webmaster area and you can use your own url and dns

live.fletchesbitches.com or whatever you want

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 01:08 PM

cool beans. i have my partner working on something right now. Choosing URL and branding and then we will work on design.

i plan on doing a co-branded site with you, im working on a few projects right now, but as soon as we have everything set up... ill sign up and we will knock this out.

good deal.

Donny · 02-07-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

yes its all in the webmaster area and you can use your own url and dns

live.fletchesbitches.com or whatever you want

Nice feature!

Sean · 02-07-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Nice feature!

results of your search

fletchesbitches.com is available.

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp

results of your search

fletchesbitches.com is available.

thats not how i brand ;)

Xenophage · 02-07-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

thats not how i brand ;)

hahhaahah me neither

02-06-2005, 08:10 PM	#1
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	How does CAMS.COM pay $70 PPS ? All these last 5 months of payouts, People think oh this is a scam or how can he do that there i no way that anyone can pay out that kinda money ! Well thats true ! I cant pay out $70 PPS and make money in fact I loose a lot of money paying out $70 PPS. I spent over 250,000 last month in extra payouts alone than I normally do. This eats into profit margin bigtime. I am doing these insaine promotions in hopes that more people will give us a try and stick with us for a long time to come. So far so good we have had 6 months of record sales back to back! In the coming months we are going to keep spending that $250,000 extra ad money on ad buys on tgps and other key sites. So you will start to see many many more cams.com Banners and links and galleries all over the top 30 or so tgps. Also our new video software has helped boost up sales by 20% in the last 2 months, this means 20% more money for you on the same ammount of traffic. If you have traffic and want to give something else a try for change give me a shot at your biz and converting your traffic. Also there has been some discussion of late about cookies, here is my take on them and how we handle them at streamray. 1. We do URL and cookie tracking. To give you maximum sales. 2. If a user creates a free account that account is stored in the database for life so if he comes back 5 years from now and logs in and buys time you get paid ! 3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url. 4. If a surfer bookmarks a url on our system it has the ref id in it so when they return you get sales for that as well. 5. In light of the current things brought up about cookies we will once again review our process, and adjust things to be as fair as possible for all of our webmasters to make th most $$ possible from us. Lars

02-06-2005, 08:17 PM	#3
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Good shit man, can you clarify something for me. You're saying $70 PPS so that's the surfer signing up for free, and then you get $70 on their first purchase right, not $70 just on the free signup right? __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

02-06-2005, 09:06 PM	#7
MyNameIsEmily Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 887	oh, and I have a couple questions... The '20% commision forever' is the plan to sign up to, right? And are these girls really live cam girls? __________________

02-06-2005, 09:12 PM	#8
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	lars rocks __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

02-06-2005, 10:52 PM	#11
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	aka loss leader. Biz 101 for the newbies. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

02-06-2005, 08:16 PM	#2
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	C'mon guys, sign up and eat his profit margin even more!

02-06-2005, 10:51 PM	#10
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	I love the program lars and it does well for me, but I have 1 question... I see from the stats that EVERY customer has had a $75 "load". Correct me if I am wrong -if you get 75 bucks from every person, isnt this an instant profit and not a huge loss as you suggest?

02-06-2005, 10:55 PM	#12
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Great program, __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

02-06-2005, 11:51 PM	#14
IceMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,920	70$ is a good amount for a PPS. I will give a try it soon.

02-06-2005, 11:55 PM	#15
pornRefinery Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ICQ 241-656-086 Posts: 384	Any chance I can get this banner in its original high quality: http://banners.images.streamray.com/camscom/cams07.gif Thanks

02-07-2005, 07:53 AM	#16
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Why do you seem to only have cookies tracking for 1.5 days?

02-07-2005, 07:57 AM	#17
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	same way you walk into supermarket and pay 80 cents for a 2 liter bottle of coke. They dont make money on the coke but you might pick up bananas and zuchinnis while your there

02-07-2005, 08:00 AM	#18
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Lars you need any camcocks?

02-07-2005, 10:54 AM	#21
Denis_SC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,332	Yo Lars ... Could you plz turn your ICQ on ? __________________ Denis B. ICQ 342-587-607 denis AT detamed.com

02-07-2005, 10:58 AM	#22
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	Good post, Lars. Thanks for explaining how you track sign-ups, a lot of sponsors are unwilling to do so (or at least, without prodding them first!). Since I've been sending traffic to cams.com I've noticed an increase in conversions so I'm sure you're going to win big-time with it

02-07-2005, 11:44 AM	#24
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,563	Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour. Great guy, great program. Simple as that Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

02-07-2005, 11:59 AM	#28
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url. I am interested in this, can you send me some information, or give me a call? [email protected] 316.516.0784 __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

02-07-2005, 12:03 PM	#30
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	22264474 __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

02-07-2005, 12:16 PM	#32
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Thanks for the post Lars.

02-07-2005, 12:17 PM	#33
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Awesome thread, Lars! Very informative __________________ email: [email protected]

02-07-2005, 12:47 PM	#40
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.

02-07-2005, 12:54 PM	#44
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	where can i find more info on co-branding? does it have to be: fletchxxx.streamray.com ? can i use existing urlS? direct me to some info, im feeling creative and need to add this to my list to do. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-07-2005, 01:08 PM	#46
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	cool beans. i have my partner working on something right now. Choosing URL and branding and then we will work on design. i plan on doing a co-branded site with you, im working on a few projects right now, but as soon as we have everything set up... ill sign up and we will knock this out. good deal. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me