BradM

I was speaking to a persian that is in one of my classes - we went for lunch to study for a test. We got to talking about politics (oddly enough because it is a political science class) and we talked about Iran.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ush/index.html

He was saying how pretty much all the citizens know Iran is working towards nukes. He also talked about how everyone knows there is a bunch of terrorists in the state but bitch about it and die.

So he ran to the Netherlands who would not give him refugee status, but the US would so now he is here.

Kind of interesting to hear a first hand account of something like this. I just found it sad but at the same time very enlightning!

XxXotic

and as most people overlooked, since we invaded afghanistan we've slowly been surrounding Iran. It's just a matter of time before bush sends more of our kids to be slaughtered in his holy war

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sonofsam

of Course they are working towards nukes... that was obvious.... but so what? they have a right to defend themselves.

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baddog

Are you listening to your dog again? When did nukes become a defensive weapon?

Persius

and when did this guy go to netherlands and back to usa?

p3rsian

your persian friend is a FAG

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fünkmaster

... sorry to hear that alzheimer finaly came to you and in case you haven't gotten your reading glasses on: COLD WAR

...and no, I don't think those braindead muslims should have nukes, they wouln't use them for self devence anyway.

baddog

MAD only applies if you have some way to deliver the weapons. They don't.

dcortez

HARRY TRUMAN'S DIARY AND PAPERS

7/18/45 Diary Entry:
"P.M. [Prime Minister Winston Churchill] & I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan [atomic bomb] (it is a success). Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace. Stalin also read his answer to me. It was satisfactory. Believe Japs will fold up before Russia comes in. I am sure they will when Manhattan appears over their homeland. I shall inform Stalin about it at an opportune time." [The closest Truman came to doing that was on 7/24/45 when "I casually mentioned to Stalin that we had a new weapon of unusual destructive force." (Harry Truman, "Memoirs, 1945", pg. 416). No mention was made by Truman that the weapon was an atomic bomb.]

7/20/45 Letter to Bess Truman:
"I have to make it perfectly plain to them [Russia and Great Britain] at least once a day that so far as this President is concerned Santa Claus is dead and that my first interest is U.S.A., then I want the Jap war won and I want 'em both in it. Then I want peace - world peace and will do what can be done by us to get it."

8/9/45: Excerpt from public statement by President Truman. This was the second time he had publicly given reasons for using the atomic bomb on Japan:
"The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost.

"Having found the bomb we have used it. We have used it against those who attacked us without warning at Pearl Harbor, against those who have starved and beaten and executed American prisoners of war, against those who have abandoned all pretense of obeying international laws of warfare. We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans.

"We shall continue to use it until we completely destroy Japan's power to make war. Only a Japanese surrender will stop us." (Public Papers of the Presidents, Harry S. Truman, 1945, pg. 212).

[Even before Hiroshima was a-bombed, hundreds of thousands of civilians had been killed in the conventional bombings of over 60 of Japan's largest cities (Michael Sherry, "The Rise of American Air Power", pg. 314-315, and pg. 413, note 43). Was President Truman unaware that Hiroshima was primarily a city of civilians and that they would be the a-bomb's main victims? Note his reason (8/10/45 below) for halting the atomic bombings.]

8/9/45 Letter to Senator Richard Russell:
[In response to Sen. Russell's wish that Japan be hit with more atomic and conventional bombing:]

"I know that Japan is a terribly cruel and uncivilized nation in warfare but I can't bring myself to believe that, because they are beasts, we should ourselves act in the same manner.

"For myself, I certainly regret the necessity of wiping out whole populations because of the 'pigheadedness' of the leaders of a nation and, for your information, I am not going to do it until it is absolutely necessary...

"My object is to save as many American lives as possible but I also have a humane feeling for the women and children in Japan." (Barton Bernstein, Understanding the Atomic Bomb and the Japanese Surrender: Missed Opportunities, Little-Known Near Disasters, and Modern Memory, Diplomatic History, Spring 1995, material quoted from pg. 267-268).

8/10/45 Diary Entry:
"Ate lunch at my desk and discussed the Jap offer to surrender which came in a couple of hours earlier. They wanted to make a condition precedent to the surrender. Our terms are 'unconditional'.

They wanted to keep the Emperor.

We told 'em we'd tell 'em how to keep him, but we'd make the terms."

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I can only imaging what baby g's diary is going to read like...

-Dino

nofx

let them have nukes, fuck

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sonofsam

they became a defensive weapon when the USA wont attack them knowing they have them. thats when.

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Webby

Doubt it was sheer chance places like Iran and North Korea decided they wanted to progress towards nuclear weaponary after the time Bush did the "axis of evil" verbal.

Other countries are doing similar "protective" stuff - (tho maybe not with nuclear - they have that already) - but in areas of communication blah - eg.. Europe is setting up (or has set up) it's own satellite system for comms where they previously shared with the US, but no longer trust this system/arrangement.

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