Drama..... who got screwed on this deal?

[Tam]

Ok here is the scenario, it is kind of long and a bit confusing, but it has a point, so read on:

Ok, say you bought an extreme amount of content from somoene and there was some confusion about how this was going to be paid for. The middle party involved in this was going back and forth between the buyer and the seller of this package. So the buyer and seller were then put together and found the point of confusion. At this time, the seller agreed to take payments on this package and there was an invoice sent. The buyer makes all the payments but the last one he was a little short on and he alerted the seller that he would be about 10 days late and wanted to know if this was acceptable....... and it was, the seller agreed to this. As a result of all the confusion on this purchase and such, the buyer even paid an extra $1000 for the hassle it had caused, WITHOUT being asked for the extra, he just sent it to be cool about it and let him know he wasn't trying to rip him off. 1/3 of this content was delivered, without a license, and this was fine, as long as the licenses were all sent at the time of the last payment. Well it was told to the buyer that another 1/3 of the content had been sent via airmail and it never arrived and still hasn't 3 months later.

To go on with this, the buyer ended up paying every dime + some and started asking when he could expect the content to be delivered. At THIS time is when it gets interesting. The buyer was then told that he would NOT be getting anymore content and wouldn't be getting licenses for the content he DID have because the seller says he never agreed to making payments on this, but the invoice sent by the seller says differently. So what doe she do? He starts saying that he will need an extra $6K+ to resend and reprocess all of this content that never arrived to the buyer in the first place. He informed buyer that he had one week to send the extra money ir the price would double. Well...... needless to say, the buyer isn't going to be sending anymore money that way because he had already sent more than the original price in the first place with nothing to show for even a dime of the money sent.

The seller swears that the buyer and the middle guy was trying to run a scam on him and therefore he has stopped all dealings with both parties and he refuses the delivery of this content, ANY of it. He has also threatened the buyer with a lawsuit, why, I am not quite sure on because he was paid in full for this package, so I am unsure how a lawsuit comes into place in a situation like this, but he says that he will see the seller in court and his own Atty advised him not to send anything and that he owes the buyer nothing. Seems to me, if the buyer was trying to run a scam on someone, HE wouldn't have been paying for this content and have paid in full and on top of this, sending an additional grand to cover any confusion and hassle.

What is YOUR opinions on this? Because frankly it has me baffled and I don't know what to think.

You must know this was the buyer's introduction into the Adult Industry as WE know it and this is how he got initiated.... and since I am not one to buy and deal in this quantity of content or anything like this, I really don't know how to help this guy or how to advise him on what to do about it. For the record, me and my company aren't involved in this, but I AM affiliated with the Buyer on a certain level, so this is why I know about this situation. I do business personally with the Buyer in this situation...... so there is no drama on MY part other than trying to figure out how to help MY associate.

NO, I am not accustomed to STARTING drama here, but this is driving me mad on what to tell this guy on what to do next. So tell me what YOU think about this?

[VegasSEGirl]

Sounds like the buyer is getting screwed. How did he pay for it? Can he get his money back easily?

[Tam]

Originally posted by VegasSEGirl
Sounds like the buyer is getting screwed. How did he pay for it? Can he get his money back easily?

The seller refused to take credit cards... so it was all done via bank wires, except for one of the payments, so that is part of the problem here.

[stocktrader23]

Take his ass in.



And tell us the content provider so we can choose not to do business with them.

[cool1]

Sounds like the seller is the one running a scam.

[baddog]

hang him high, and tell him he has 24 hours to make it right, or you are going on every board out there with this story, only using his name the next time

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by baddog
hang him high, and tell him he has 24 hours to make it right, or you are going on every board out there with this story, only using his name the next time

No kidding.

No one in their right mind should do biz with a content provider like this.

[VegasSEGirl]

Originally posted by Tam
The seller refused to take credit cards... so it was all done via bank wires, except for one of the payments, so that is part of the problem here.

He should sue for sure. Sounds like a scam to me.

[Tam]

Originally posted by baddog
hang him high, and tell him he has 24 hours to make it right, or you are going on every board out there with this story, only using his name the next time

THAT is what I thought...... this has all been going on since like February or March and to date there has been ZERO resolution to this problem..... and since the buyer is new and I don't deal in this level of content buying, I didn't know what to do on it. But I had an idea that my friend was getting screwed.... I am not a copmplete idiot. LOL

He refuses to respond to any kind of conversation at this point, so giving him any sort of deadline probably will fall on deaf ears.

[Tom_PMs]

Seller is a complete ass, provided the details we've seen here are the whole side.

Out them, and enjoy winning in court in record time.

[SABAI]

yes please tell us the name of the content provider , i'm into a content shoping spree and i don't want to get fucked over too

[Tam]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
No kidding.

No one in their right mind should do biz with a content provider like this.

Well see? That's the thing... I wasn't alerted to this until AFTER the fact, or right in the middle of it, or whatever...... so there wasn't anything I could do and since this guy is new, I guess he was easy prey. Had I known what was going on, there are about 20 different Content providers I would have sent him to before he made this move, or at the VERY least, the order wouldn't have ever been this big, not on the first run with a company........ I don't care HOW well I know someone, I wouldn't ever make my first buy this big......

THIS is where being a newbie in the industry sucks, they are very easy targets to the cheaters and scammers in the industry and it gives them NO reason to trust anyone else in it.

[Tam]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Seller is a complete ass, provided the details we've seen here are the whole side.

Out them, and enjoy winning in court in record time.

This is all true, all of it to the best of MY knowledge. I have talked to ALL parties involved in depth to try and help resolve it and all of them tell me the same thing....... so it is about as true as you can get if all the parties aren't just conspiring, which I can't imagine why they would be, what would they have to gain? All of them told me the same thing...... that's why I am not getting it. The seller told me this is how it went, and so did the buyer.

[TheWildcard]

Please do me a favor and shoot the seller in his head

[LadyMischief]

Sounds like a whole load of horseshit to me, Tam. ;) I'd be pissed

[SABAI]

Tam , please, in the name of... err... anything, give us the name of the freaking content provider

[Tam]

Originally posted by SABAI
Tam , please, in the name of... err... anything, give us the name of the freaking content provider

I wish I could, babe, I just can't right this minute. I WILL tell you that it isn't one of the higher profile content providers on this board. If that helps, I don't even think this one posts here..... and it isn't one I see mentioned in very many places.

If this doesn't resolve anything soon. I'll do what's right, ask anyone that knows me, I will..... you have my word.

[SpeakEasy]

First of all, you mentioned a small payment was made not by wire? so try to charge that back and cut the loss a little bit. Next it is basically time to sue for the rest

[AaronM]

Jesus Tam...This shit is still going on?

Kinda reminds me of another scammer that I am still ealing with.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Tam

He refuses to respond to any kind of conversation at this point, so giving him any sort of deadline probably will fall on deaf ears.

That will be his problem then IMHO. The clock starts when you send him the email informing him of your intentions. I would not let my doubts that he will pay attention weigh in my decision process..

You might try this, when I was a negotiator, and I was giving an ultimatum to the opposition I always ended my letters with, "Govern your actions accordingly" instead of sincerely yours.

It seemed to have the desired effect.

[evie]

You can get him easily in the court and win it,
You have record of what you agreed and also record of your payment.
Does he have sent the parcel by recorded delivery? If he does he should find out why you did not get the parcel. If he does not then it is his problem. This kind of orders you should have delivered by courier so you can check where the parcel is.
To charge you to send it again is fool. He should have a copy of it and the only cost is to burn it on the discs again and send it.
You should say his name, what could you loos, he is not fair so he should go out of business

[Tam]

Originally posted by AaronM
Jesus Tam...This shit is still going on?

Kinda reminds me of another scammer that I am still ealing with.

Yup and now is has escolated to HIM taking my friend to court over it...... and I am STILL trying to figure out how my friend scammed anyone. in MY head, a scammer would be refusing to pay, NOT paying EXTRA! I wish THAT kind of scammers would hit me up, I like that kind.

I am not sure of how it would fly with the whole court thing, the seller is here in the states and the buyer isn't in this country..... so I guess that would make a big difference.

[Tam]

Originally posted by evie
You can get him easily in the court and win it,
You have record of what you agreed and also record of your payment.
Does he have sent the parcel by recorded delivery? If he does he should find out why you did not get the parcel. If he does not then it is his problem. This kind of orders you should have delivered by courier so you can check where the parcel is.
To charge you to send it again is fool. He should have a copy of it and the only cost is to burn it on the discs again and send it.
You should say his name, what could you loos, he is not fair so he should go out of business

Yup, there is record of his allowing the payments.... and there is record of his aggreeing on the one payment that was 10 days past the original last payment date. There is record of all of this.

He was told that it was a bulk rate, but in my head, if it was a bulk rate, it shouldn't have ever been agreed on to take payments. It's like the deal was changed right in the middle of it and my friend was supposed to just know this..... he WAS told, in all fairness that it was a bulk rate, BUT he agreed on the payment plan....... so that right there tells me that he should get it because he DID pay on it in full.

[baddog]

Who knows if this will ever go to court, talk is cheap . . .but unless this guy has decided to get out of the business I doubt $6,000 is worth the damage that can be done by outting him.

This is just another reason why people should use ContentShopper . . . we don't allow scum to be listed in our database.




yeah, yeah. . . so I thru in a spam . . . shoot me

[Tam]

Originally posted by baddog
Who knows if this will ever go to court, talk is cheap . . .but unless this guy has decided to get out of the business I doubt $6,000 is worth the damage that can be done by outting him.

This is just another reason why people should use ContentShopper . . . we don't allow scum to be listed in our database.




yeah, yeah. . . so I thru in a spam . . . shoot me

$16,000 baby...... this is over $16k in content........ not $6k.... LOL

[Reak]

Originally posted by stocktrader23
Take his ass in.



And tell us the content provider so we can choose not to do business with them.

[boldy]

Originally posted by Tam
Ok here is the scenario, it is kind of long and a bit confusing, but it has a point, so read on:

Ok, say you bought an extreme amount of content from somoene and there was some confusion about how this was going to be paid for. The middle party involved in this was going back and forth between the buyer and the seller of this package. So the buyer and seller were then put together and found the point of confusion. At this time, the seller agreed to take payments on this package and there was an invoice sent. The buyer makes all the payments but the last one he was a little short on and he alerted the seller that he would be about 10 days late and wanted to know if this was acceptable....... and it was, the seller agreed to this. As a result of all the confusion on this purchase and such, the buyer even paid an extra $1000 for the hassle it had caused, WITHOUT being asked for the extra, he just sent it to be cool about it and let him know he wasn't trying to rip him off. 1/3 of this content was delivered, without a license, and this was fine, as long as the licenses were all sent at the time of the last payment. Well it was told to the buyer that another 1/3 of the content had been sent via airmail and it never arrived and still hasn't 3 months later.

To go on with this, the buyer ended up paying every dime + some and started asking when he could expect the content to be delivered. At THIS time is when it gets interesting. The buyer was then told that he would NOT be getting anymore content and wouldn't be getting licenses for the content he DID have because the seller says he never agreed to making payments on this, but the invoice sent by the seller says differently. So what doe she do? He starts saying that he will need an extra $6K+ to resend and reprocess all of this content that never arrived to the buyer in the first place. He informed buyer that he had one week to send the extra money ir the price would double. Well...... needless to say, the buyer isn't going to be sending anymore money that way because he had already sent more than the original price in the first place with nothing to show for even a dime of the money sent.

The seller swears that the buyer and the middle guy was trying to run a scam on him and therefore he has stopped all dealings with both parties and he refuses the delivery of this content, ANY of it. He has also threatened the buyer with a lawsuit, why, I am not quite sure on because he was paid in full for this package, so I am unsure how a lawsuit comes into place in a situation like this, but he says that he will see the seller in court and his own Atty advised him not to send anything and that he owes the buyer nothing. Seems to me, if the buyer was trying to run a scam on someone, HE wouldn't have been paying for this content and have paid in full and on top of this, sending an additional grand to cover any confusion and hassle.

What is YOUR opinions on this? Because frankly it has me baffled and I don't know what to think.

You must know this was the buyer's introduction into the Adult Industry as WE know it and this is how he got initiated.... and since I am not one to buy and deal in this quantity of content or anything like this, I really don't know how to help this guy or how to advise him on what to do about it. For the record, me and my company aren't involved in this, but I AM affiliated with the Buyer on a certain level, so this is why I know about this situation. I do business personally with the Buyer in this situation...... so there is no drama on MY part other than trying to figure out how to help MY associate.

NO, I am not accustomed to STARTING drama here, but this is driving me mad on what to tell this guy on what to do next. So tell me what YOU think about this?

Do u love me still ?

[Tam]

Originally posted by boldy
Do u love me still ?

OF COURSE I DO!!!! Why ya gotta go asking silly questions like that? LOL

Wanna buy a join4free program? It isn't used.... rotfl

[baddog]

Originally posted by Tam
$16,000 baby...... this is over $16k in content........ not $6k.... LOL

oh, the only numbers I saw were $6k and $1k

[Tam]

Originally posted by baddog
oh, the only numbers I saw were $6k and $1k

The initial cost was $15k and what was paid when all was said and done, was $16k........ I may have made a typo, but that is the amount out on this deal.... Sorry about that. lol

[baddog]

Originally posted by Tam
The initial cost was $15k and what was paid when all was said and done, was $16k........ I may have made a typo, but that is the amount out on this deal.... Sorry about that. lol

well, that changes everything then . . . . caveat emptor

Write the letter, file the report, report them to their registrar, shut their ass down. . . .stop being so fucking nice

[Tam]

Originally posted by baddog
well, that changes everything then . . . . caveat emptor

Write the letter, file the report, report them to their registrar, shut their ass down. . . .stop being so fucking nice

I told ya it was a large order.. lol

Letter is written and sent.... not sure anything will work at this point..... but I hope he gets what he paid for.

[Ross]

That sure would piss the fuck outta me to be ripped off for this amount of cash. Stop being so nice, name the fucker, let everyone tarnish their name further and take the asshole to court.

[piker]

Why would this be brought up on GFY, it sounds like the buyer has cash, he should get lawyer.

[Biggy2]

Originally posted by Tam
Ok here is the scenario, it is kind of long and a bit confusing, but it has a point, so read on:

Ok, say you bought an extreme amount of content from somoene and there was some confusion about how this was going to be paid for. The middle party involved in this was going back and forth between the buyer and the seller of this package. So the buyer and seller were then put together and found the point of confusion. At this time, the seller agreed to take payments on this package and there was an invoice sent. The buyer makes all the payments but the last one he was a little short on and he alerted the seller that he would be about 10 days late and wanted to know if this was acceptable....... and it was, the seller agreed to this. As a result of all the confusion on this purchase and such, the buyer even paid an extra $1000 for the hassle it had caused, WITHOUT being asked for the extra, he just sent it to be cool about it and let him know he wasn't trying to rip him off. 1/3 of this content was delivered, without a license, and this was fine, as long as the licenses were all sent at the time of the last payment. Well it was told to the buyer that another 1/3 of the content had been sent via airmail and it never arrived and still hasn't 3 months later.

To go on with this, the buyer ended up paying every dime + some and started asking when he could expect the content to be delivered. At THIS time is when it gets interesting. The buyer was then told that he would NOT be getting anymore content and wouldn't be getting licenses for the content he DID have because the seller says he never agreed to making payments on this, but the invoice sent by the seller says differently. So what doe she do? He starts saying that he will need an extra $6K+ to resend and reprocess all of this content that never arrived to the buyer in the first place. He informed buyer that he had one week to send the extra money ir the price would double. Well...... needless to say, the buyer isn't going to be sending anymore money that way because he had already sent more than the original price in the first place with nothing to show for even a dime of the money sent.

The seller swears that the buyer and the middle guy was trying to run a scam on him and therefore he has stopped all dealings with both parties and he refuses the delivery of this content, ANY of it. He has also threatened the buyer with a lawsuit, why, I am not quite sure on because he was paid in full for this package, so I am unsure how a lawsuit comes into place in a situation like this, but he says that he will see the seller in court and his own Atty advised him not to send anything and that he owes the buyer nothing. Seems to me, if the buyer was trying to run a scam on someone, HE wouldn't have been paying for this content and have paid in full and on top of this, sending an additional grand to cover any confusion and hassle.

What is YOUR opinions on this? Because frankly it has me baffled and I don't know what to think.

You must know this was the buyer's introduction into the Adult Industry as WE know it and this is how he got initiated.... and since I am not one to buy and deal in this quantity of content or anything like this, I really don't know how to help this guy or how to advise him on what to do about it. For the record, me and my company aren't involved in this, but I AM affiliated with the Buyer on a certain level, so this is why I know about this situation. I do business personally with the Buyer in this situation...... so there is no drama on MY part other than trying to figure out how to help MY associate.

NO, I am not accustomed to STARTING drama here, but this is driving me mad on what to tell this guy on what to do next. So tell me what YOU think about this?

i dont know who you are dealing with, if they are not big and reputable (i.e. not that many people have heard of them) and there is no misunderstanding, than it sounds like a typical scammers story, and the guy is trying to make you worry.

however, if you're talking about a big, reputable content company who does biz on a large level, maybe there was confusion and he forgot about the deal and the details - they really would have no reason to fuck you then.. but if this is not the case, and this content company is a small operation, you are getting fucked. and i would threaten him with a lawsuit cause he is just trying to bully you around and make it sound like you fucked up somewhere so he can run off with your money while delivering only some of the content.

[evl4fun]

$250 a kneecap+ expenses lol.....

Let me get this straight, the SELLER has taken the buyer to court?What exactly is his premis for sueing? I would say that since the deal was well documented, your friend needs a lawyer here in the states to file countersued.
I know this is a harsh business to learn a lesson in. I hope your friend can sustain the lose, 16k is a hard hit.

[Tam]

Originally posted by piker
Why would this be brought up on GFY, it sounds like the buyer has cash, he should get lawyer.

This was ME trying to find out if maybe *I* went wrong somewhere in understanding the way deals like this are handled. As I told you, I don't do content deals of this magnitude.... and I just wanted to relieve my own peace of mind, I guess by making sure I wasn't giving bad advice to my friend...

biggy2..... I am not sure how big he is actually.... I know he has been around for a long time, but not sure on what level. I have known about the site for about 3 years myself, but I just recently met up with the guy myself....... so I am not really sure how big/small this one is.

[Tam]

Originally posted by evl4fun
$250 a kneecap+ expenses lol.....

Let me get this straight, the SELLER has taken the buyer to court?What exactly is his premis for sueing? I would say that since the deal was well documented, your friend needs a lawyer here in the states to file countersued.
I know this is a harsh business to learn a lesson in. I hope your friend can sustain the lose, 16k is a hard hit.

Hell yes it is...... it damn near brought him to his knees....

You have it pretty much dead on, the seller is trying to, or at least threatening to, take my friend to cour on this..... and that's where I got so lost and confused because I can't figure out for the life of me what premise he has. And that's why you are reading this now....... as I said, I don't do this sort of deals.....

I am extremely particular on who I buy content from and I have to know someone awfully damn well in order to buy more than $100 worth, much less this amount. I have been ripped twice on buying content and that's that.......... I got so damn paranoid that I don't deal with ANYONE on content unless I know them AND the way they do business, AND they have to come highly recommended.

BUT when you are new to the industry, it is very hard to decide who is going to rip you off and who isn't. In as much as people hate newbies, scammers eat them up like they are a fucking gourmet meal..... and it pisses me off.

[Biggy2]

Originally posted by Tam
This was ME trying to find out if maybe *I* went wrong somewhere in understanding the way deals like this are handled. As I told you, I don't do content deals of this magnitude.... and I just wanted to relieve my own peace of mind, I guess by making sure I wasn't giving bad advice to my friend...

biggy2..... I am not sure how big he is actually.... I know he has been around for a long time, but not sure on what level. I have known about the site for about 3 years myself, but I just recently met up with the guy myself....... so I am not really sure how big/small this one is.

I mean, anyone with a real business operation would never threaten a lawsuit unless:

1) they think and pretty much KNOW they are in the right.
2) the amount is of 15k and plus, otherwise legal fees make it not worth it, unless you have a ton of cash and you don't care about blowing it on legal fees based on principle.

if you really did pay him, he never delivered, and is threatening lawsuit, then you are getting scammed.

if this guy runs big operation, maybe he simply forgot about the details, but even so, I don't see why he would threaten a lawsuit if he got paid.

[SCtyger]

seller is taking your friend for an idiot .... and trying to bully his way out with a lawsuit...

.. give him what he deserves.. give out his name... and if he posts here.. he'll at least give us his part of the story...

[StarkReality]

Just for curiosity: Was this deal made after an email offer ? I'm getting alot of spam mails from a german guy offering content (czech and german girl videos), when you do a google lookup on his email adress you get alot of scam warnings about him and some fishy multi level marketing stuff he did some years ago. He changed the email recently, but he used the adress given by his dialup provider for a few weeks before.

[evl4fun]

Originally posted by Tam
Hell yes it is...... it damn near brought him to his knees....

You have it pretty much dead on, the seller is trying to, or at least threatening to, take my friend to cour on this..... and that's where I got so lost and confused because I can't figure out for the life of me what premise he has. And that's why you are reading this now....... as I said, I don't do this sort of deals.....

I am extremely particular on who I buy content from and I have to know someone awfully damn well in order to buy more than $100 worth, much less this amount. I have been ripped twice on buying content and that's that.......... I got so damn paranoid that I don't deal with ANYONE on content unless I know them AND the way they do business, AND they have to come highly recommended.

BUT when you are new to the industry, it is very hard to decide who is going to rip you off and who isn't. In as much as people hate newbies, scammers eat them up like they are a fucking gourmet meal..... and it pisses me off.

Yeah no shit. I guess this goes as a tip for the noobs, while research will not bring any immediate cash flow, it definatly pays in the long run.
We learned our 10k lesson. Awhile back, we ordered some custom content from a guy that came fairly well recomended, and we got our vids and stuff. Like 2 months late. Which hurts when you have the site design sitting there, affiliates all primed and ready to promote this hot new site ect....then to try and keep the fires burning for a 2 month delay. Then when we got our content, it fuckin sucked ass. The guy promised he would use fresh exclusive models, and a third of em had been all over the net.
The site coverted like shit, and we lost alot of our good affiliates becasue of it. It was a bigger mess then I really care to get into,
the point is, when you think you have researched and checked someone out, check again. And don't take the content producers friends word for anything. Ask around on every board to can get to, and make sure you know what you are getting.
I guess at least your friend has things documented, I hope he can recover.

[sextoyking]

Tam,

It sounds like the seller is playing "fuck fuck" games with your friend.

If he has been around for along time or an old timer, I probably might know this fellow..

If you want, shoot me an icq. I know how to get things resolved like this.

He doesn't want his rep burned for 16k does he? Of course if he is point blank scamming, he wouldn't care..

Sad...............

[Tam]

Originally posted by evl4fun
Yeah no shit. I guess this goes as a tip for the noobs, while research will not bring any immediate cash flow, it definatly pays in the long run.
We learned our 10k lesson. Awhile back, we ordered some custom content from a guy that came fairly well recomended, and we got our vids and stuff. Like 2 months late. Which hurts when you have the site design sitting there, affiliates all primed and ready to promote this hot new site ect....then to try and keep the fires burning for a 2 month delay. Then when we got our content, it fuckin sucked ass. The guy promised he would use fresh exclusive models, and a third of em had been all over the net.
The site coverted like shit, and we lost alot of our good affiliates becasue of it. It was a bigger mess then I really care to get into,
the point is, when you think you have researched and checked someone out, check again. And don't take the content producers friends word for anything. Ask around on every board to can get to, and make sure you know what you are getting.
I guess at least your friend has things documented, I hope he can recover.

Wow, this sounds very familiar.... those I talked before this all went down had nothing but good to say about this one..... it's when money started changing hands much later is when all hell broke loose.....

sextoyking..... sent ya an icq message and waiting on you to respond.

StarkReality, no nothing like that. I met the guy from a friend of mine several months ago but hadn't really done any real business with him...... and seemed nice enough. It wasn't until THIS situation til I seen the colors he was wearing.... I am just glad *I* didn't get my company involved.... I am closely enough involved in this one just having a friend get bitten by it.

[Kimmykim]

I still don't see the wrong in giving someone a bulk rate and letting them make payments either. For instance, I've got 5000 dvd's, web ready, databased etc, and if I sold someone all of them and they wanted to make payments, I'd still sell them at the same price I would if they were paying up front -- provided I knew them and thought they were good for it -- so that has no bearing on anything in this mess. The price was agreed upon. The licenses should have been delivered as the content was so the lack of that is making me think the seller thinks he's got your guy on unlicensed commercial use of his work.

Other than that, I'd suggest you name names.

Screw working it out behind the scenes, if you know of a content producer who's out to screw new people for decent amounts of money, out them.

[sextoyking]

Well said as Usual Kimmy

[baddog]

Originally posted by Biggy2
I mean, anyone with a real business operation would never threaten a lawsuit unless:

1) they think and pretty much KNOW they are in the right.
2) the amount is of 15k and plus, otherwise legal fees make it not worth it, unless you have a ton of cash and you don't care about blowing it on legal fees based on principle.

if you really did pay him, he never delivered, and is threatening lawsuit, then you are getting scammed.

if this guy runs big operation, maybe he simply forgot about the details, but even so, I don't see why he would threaten a lawsuit if he got paid.

The seller is talking shit, knowing he is in TX and the buyer is in Oz. Civil Court will never happen, criminal is another case altogether.

Tam, I think you should post the letter here so no one can say he wasn't warned . . . just X out the URL of the seller

[evie]

What no one has picked up on this is $15,000 worth of content and the deal was put together by a middle man who knows the industry, plus content arrived without licenses.

There are a lot of questions left unanswered.

As well as wanting to know who the seller was I want to know who this middle man was. Because if he knows the industry then he's partly responsible, if not in league with the seller.

$15,000 worth of content IS A LOT OF CONTENT to buy in one hit. With pesent deals running around it could be anything from 1,000 top end sets to 5,000 sets. Who has this ammount of content and would act in this way? No one to my knowledge.

So did the content ever exist, where did the buyer see the samples of what he was buying and proof the seller has the content?

Then the middle man, what was his involvement in the whole thing. Was he getting money from the buyer, seller or both?

Is he a content provider?

Just me reading and thinking between the lines.

[Paul Markham]

That was me replying on Eva's Log in.

[evl4fun]

15,000 isn't that much if you are starting a paysite. And Is a drop in the bucket if you are having videos custom made for you.
I did kind of wonder about this "middleman" also, but as Tam stated, the middle man bowed out, and seller and buyer reached an agreement between them. Still, does make one wonder if the middleman was in on it....or just what the story is there.