MarcDE and Quiet...... WHY?????????? - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 01-21-2005, 04:15 PM

Both of you guys are on top of your game. Both made some SERIOUS coin and the whole industry knows you guys are extremely sharp.

This leads me to my question....
WHY?
Why are you guys both still pushing all your sales thru IbillEU?

Everything that has happened in the past 60 days leads everyone to believe Ibill isn't going to make it out of this. They are having serious financial issues and now their EU processor is an issue. Why are you guys still with them? Ccbill and an EU solution why not switch to them? Is there something I'm missing? I didn't mean to call you guys out I'm just seriously curious as to why neither of you have dumped ibill.

WiredGuy · 01-21-2005, 04:21 PM

I've often wondered this myself but it is their business so I won't intrude...
WG

Shap · 01-21-2005, 04:25 PM

True

You can be sure that the sales ars and quiet are pushing are probably one of the few reasons ibill still has their doors open for business. They are helping us other ibill clients have hope of one day seeing a dime of the money owed.

I know Quiet has no revshare program so whatever happens to him is a hit on him alone. However I wonder what this would do to ARS. If ibill were to be unable to pay them for over a month of sales (that Marc has already paid out on) and unable to rebill their members that is going to have to hurt.

Veterans Day · 01-21-2005, 04:26 PM

Marc isnt missing a single payment, take that to the bank

MaDalton · 01-21-2005, 04:28 PM

Ibill pays for a yacht - CCBill pays for a Döner Kebap. Some are impressed, some are simply hungry.

(no need to understand - some will and that's enough)

Rui · 01-21-2005, 04:29 PM

I don't think if ARS ibill funds get frozen/dissapear/whatever MarcDE will have no problems fixing the mess and compensate his affiliates...

as for quiet god ridance if I know what goes tru that head

Nysus · 01-21-2005, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Marc isnt missing a single payment, take that to the bank

Need to also keep in mind that they could be one of the first to get customer dumps if IBill did go under.

Matt

Shap · 01-21-2005, 04:29 PM

Are you saying Marc isn't missing a single Ibill payment? or Not missing a webmaster payout? I know he won't miss a payout. However if ibill is having issues with their euro processor that is beyond payments. Basically transactions are being made but nobody is seeing the money.

Nysus · 01-21-2005, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Are you saying Marc isn't missing a single Ibill payment? or Not missing a webmaster payout? I know he won't miss a payout. However if ibill is having issues with their euro processor that is beyond payments. Basically transactions are being made but nobody is seeing the money.

I personally believe IBill has been shifting money around.. using new revenue to pay past monies owed, and perhaps not to the right person..

Matt

Shap · 01-21-2005, 04:31 PM

Stefan ibill didn't even pay for the yacht

They called in a favour and got it free.

Shap · 01-21-2005, 04:33 PM

Do you guys think there is any truth to this?

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Our EU funds are still being held securely by our EU Processor. The initial commercial account that was established did not meet the depository standards of our EU bank and processor. We have established another relationship with Credit Suisse and expect to have the account open in the next week. At that time, our European processor will transfer funds for payout to our clients. We will provide an update on Wednesday, January 26th on the status of the scheduled payout.
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If that is true then this is not a good sign for ARS and Quiet.

Veterans Day · 01-21-2005, 04:34 PM

i believe with serious volume accounts, ibill will not jeopardize those by not paying the program owner. I think marc is smart enough to know what to do and whats really going on with ibill

Shap · 01-21-2005, 04:36 PM

Veteran i agree. However remember if ibill gets dumped on by their EU processor then there is nothing they can do, and the same goes for Marcde. I've been an ibill supporter since the beginning of this. However nothing since Sept has gone right for ibill and there is no sign of that trend changing.

MaDalton · 01-21-2005, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Stefan ibill didn't even pay for the yacht

They called in a favour and got it free.

so basically CCBill spend more money for my Döner than IBill for the yacht. that's quite funny

andrej_NDC · 01-21-2005, 04:41 PM

dont they have merchant accounts?

BVF · 01-21-2005, 04:46 PM

Ibill: Mr. Quiet, if you keep your trap shut and keep sending joins, we'll at least pay you while all of the little sheep starve. If you say anything, the sheep will revolt and that means YOU wont' get anything.

Quiet: Okie Dokie

So I doubt that either will post in this thread.

Manowar · 01-21-2005, 04:47 PM

i'm sure MarcDe must recieve payments from them, the sheer volume of sales ARS does would cripple anyone if they were paying affiliates but not recieving from the processor

MaDalton · 01-21-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Ibill: Mr. Quiet, if you keep your trap shut and keep sending joins, we'll at least pay you while all of the little sheep starve. If you say anything, the sheep will revolt and that means YOU wont' get anything.

Quiet: Okie Dokie

So I doubt that either will post in this thread.

Drake · 01-21-2005, 04:52 PM

I guess one reason is that if they stopped using Ibill they might not see any money at all (Ibill has supposedly stopped paying those who have stopped sending them new traffic/joins). If you have an enormous recurring base, you may not want to risk losing it all.

Drake · 01-21-2005, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

i'm sure MarcDe must recieve payments from them, the sheer volume of sales ARS does would cripple anyone if they were paying affiliates but not recieving from the processor

Yep, that sounds about right.

Shoplifter · 01-21-2005, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33

I guess one reason is that if they stopped using Ibill they might not see any money at all (Ibill has supposedly stopped paying those who have stopped sending them new traffic/joins). If you have an enormous recurring base, you may not want to risk losing it all.

This dilemma is the worst for the old timers. We have been processing with them since 98 and still have lot's of rebillers from 2000/2001. I could not get out of bed for the next six months and still do more from those rebills than most -programs- here.

So what do you do?

I am aware that some big accounts have been seem to have been prioritized but I am equally aware that others have not. If these guys are not posting about this it's most likely because there isn't much left to be said on the topic.

Dawgy · 01-21-2005, 05:19 PM

ive been saying for weeks that certain people are getting paid every week on time without delay. this makes no sense, since ibill's excuses are that they have banking problems. its obvious that they are collecting plenty of money to pay their customers, but they're only paying the ones who produce volume. i have friends that are owed 100's of 1000's of dollars, but i guess those arent big enough accounts.

its great that some people are getting paid, but its going to look very, very bad for ibill when they get dragged into court.

Juicy D. Links · 01-21-2005, 08:57 PM

good post

Theo · 01-21-2005, 09:01 PM

good question, but u know the answer ;-)

jay23 · 01-21-2005, 09:05 PM

Which program does Quiet runs ?

Hung Like Bull · 01-21-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Both of you guys are on top of your game. Both made some SERIOUS coin and the whole industry knows you guys are extremely sharp.

You've seen quiets books?
MarcDe can prove he's worth money. Quiet has yet to prove he is worth anything except for the smoke he blows up all the sheep's asses here. Bahhh bahhh...

keyboard warrior · 01-21-2005, 09:30 PM

MarcDE owns 51% of ibill

Pornwolf · 01-21-2005, 09:47 PM

Asking why Ibill is doing this is like asking a stripper that you turned into your girlfreind how many men she slept with. You already know the answer (too many) but you still want to hear it for yourself for some stupid reason.

Spunky · 01-21-2005, 09:53 PM

Speculation and propaganda

Manowar · 01-22-2005, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay23

Which program does Quiet runs ?

he owns ultrawiredsex. not a program

SleazyDream · 01-22-2005, 12:40 AM

i'm betting ibill has said something like if new signups decrease they will keep the renewals.

It;s the only reason I can think of.....

but what do i know, maybe I should change to ibill..............

Rui · 01-22-2005, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Ibill: Mr. Quiet, if you keep your trap shut and keep sending joins, we'll at least pay you while all of the little sheep starve. If you say anything, the sheep will revolt and that means YOU wont' get anything.

Quiet: Okie Dokie

So I doubt that either will post in this thread.

That actually sounds very problable...Anyway its kinda sad to see this sort of thing, but it happens everywhere

hova · 01-22-2005, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Ibill: Mr. Quiet, if you keep your trap shut and keep sending joins, we'll at least pay you while all of the little sheep starve. If you say anything, the sheep will revolt and that means YOU wont' get anything.

Quiet: Okie Dokie

So I doubt that either will post in this thread.

That sounds like the truth

TheFrog · 01-22-2005, 04:27 AM

they must get paid i am 100 percent sure of it

Gottis · 01-22-2005, 05:01 AM

quiet was a little worried at times (use the search tool).

realed · 01-22-2005, 05:06 AM

I'm an IBILL EU client and I received my check yesterday...

Terry

slavdogg · 01-22-2005, 05:40 AM

Who is Quiet ?

Calvinguy · 01-22-2005, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by realed

I'm an IBILL EU client and I received my check yesterday...

Terry

As a client (not revsharer) ? And for which period?

johnny1 · 01-22-2005, 08:20 AM

IbillEU still owes us!!
CcbillEU is good to us, hopefully Epoch comes to EU!

justsexxx · 01-22-2005, 08:33 AM

I asked as well, and they told here on GFY, IBILL EU, does not miss aSINGLE payment, and they are good for them.

But now with this new crap... we will see

Marc De · 01-22-2005, 08:40 AM

I've been a faithful iBill client for 8 years now. They owe me VERY significant money for their domestic processing debacle (7 figures). That is an issue I'm working with them on, as are many other clients. The moment that issue arrived we were already at iBill EU with our new processing. Our content partner Storm Media is located in the EU and was using their EU processing. I haven't had one hiccup in payment with their foreign stuff. I have my ear to the ground and my fingers on their pulse and I have alternatives in place. In the event of a repeat in the EU, I'll jump ship to protect my business, you can be guaranteed.

As for now, things are running quite smoothly and with iBill EU our sales are VERY strong. *Also note that CCBill EU does not offer pre checked x sells, a huge portion of our business model. **Further note that Epoch will get busines from us the moment their EU processing is online!

Entropy · 01-22-2005, 09:01 AM

that sucks...i hope they sort it all out

bigdog · 01-22-2005, 09:43 AM

once epocheu comes out ibill is dead

Shap · 01-22-2005, 10:32 AM

Marc De

Thanks for the reply. I figured you were on top of it.

PR_Dave · 01-22-2005, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Marc De

Thanks for the reply. I figured you were on top of it.

Why do you even care in the first place?

Really, you should just focus on your own one hit wonder and leave other peoples business decisions to them.

Are sales at Twistys low? Need to pull the "Marc De" card to get some attention?

LOL!

Schwick · 01-22-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

Ibill pays for a yacht - CCBill pays for a Döner Kebap. Some are impressed, some are simply hungry.

(no need to understand - some will and that's enough)

I would kill for a Döner Kebap right now.

Holly · 01-22-2005, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slavdogg

Who is Quiet ?

tranny

Shap · 01-22-2005, 11:51 AM

Nutella. LOL Twistys sales low.

And why do i care? I'm owed a substantial 6 figure amount from ibill. What happens with ibill concerns me.

While I focus on my one hit wonder keep focusing on keeping your identity a secret.

Shap · 01-22-2005, 12:02 PM

By the looks of it Nutella you are simply a big pimproll fan.

What's your beef with us Nutella?

Aric · 01-22-2005, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

By the looks of it Nutella you are simply a big pimproll fan.

What's your beef with us Nutella?

There's rumors... on the internets?

01-21-2005, 04:15 PM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	MarcDE and Quiet...... WHY?????????? Both of you guys are on top of your game. Both made some SERIOUS coin and the whole industry knows you guys are extremely sharp. This leads me to my question.... WHY? Why are you guys both still pushing all your sales thru IbillEU? Everything that has happened in the past 60 days leads everyone to believe Ibill isn't going to make it out of this. They are having serious financial issues and now their EU processor is an issue. Why are you guys still with them? Ccbill and an EU solution why not switch to them? Is there something I'm missing? I didn't mean to call you guys out I'm just seriously curious as to why neither of you have dumped ibill.

01-21-2005, 04:21 PM	#2
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01-21-2005, 04:26 PM	#4
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01-21-2005, 04:28 PM	#5
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,829	Ibill pays for a yacht - CCBill pays for a Döner Kebap. Some are impressed, some are simply hungry. (no need to understand - some will and that's enough) __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

01-21-2005, 04:34 PM	#12
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	i believe with serious volume accounts, ibill will not jeopardize those by not paying the program owner. I think marc is smart enough to know what to do and whats really going on with ibill __________________ Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

01-21-2005, 04:25 PM	#3
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	True You can be sure that the sales ars and quiet are pushing are probably one of the few reasons ibill still has their doors open for business. They are helping us other ibill clients have hope of one day seeing a dime of the money owed. I know Quiet has no revshare program so whatever happens to him is a hit on him alone. However I wonder what this would do to ARS. If ibill were to be unable to pay them for over a month of sales (that Marc has already paid out on) and unable to rebill their members that is going to have to hurt.

01-21-2005, 04:29 PM	#6
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	I don't think if ARS ibill funds get frozen/dissapear/whatever MarcDE will have no problems fixing the mess and compensate his affiliates... as for quiet god ridance if I know what goes tru that head

01-21-2005, 04:31 PM	#10
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Stefan ibill didn't even pay for the yacht They called in a favour and got it free.

01-21-2005, 04:33 PM	#11
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Do you guys think there is any truth to this? ---------- Our EU funds are still being held securely by our EU Processor. The initial commercial account that was established did not meet the depository standards of our EU bank and processor. We have established another relationship with Credit Suisse and expect to have the account open in the next week. At that time, our European processor will transfer funds for payout to our clients. We will provide an update on Wednesday, January 26th on the status of the scheduled payout. -------- If that is true then this is not a good sign for ARS and Quiet.

01-21-2005, 04:36 PM	#13
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Veteran i agree. However remember if ibill gets dumped on by their EU processor then there is nothing they can do, and the same goes for Marcde. I've been an ibill supporter since the beginning of this. However nothing since Sept has gone right for ibill and there is no sign of that trend changing.

01-21-2005, 04:41 PM	#15
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	dont they have merchant accounts?

01-21-2005, 04:46 PM	#16
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	Ibill: Mr. Quiet, if you keep your trap shut and keep sending joins, we'll at least pay you while all of the little sheep starve. If you say anything, the sheep will revolt and that means YOU wont' get anything. Quiet: Okie Dokie So I doubt that either will post in this thread. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

01-21-2005, 04:47 PM	#17
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	i'm sure MarcDe must recieve payments from them, the sheer volume of sales ARS does would cripple anyone if they were paying affiliates but not recieving from the processor

01-21-2005, 04:52 PM	#19
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I guess one reason is that if they stopped using Ibill they might not see any money at all (Ibill has supposedly stopped paying those who have stopped sending them new traffic/joins). If you have an enormous recurring base, you may not want to risk losing it all.

01-21-2005, 05:19 PM	#22
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	ive been saying for weeks that certain people are getting paid every week on time without delay. this makes no sense, since ibill's excuses are that they have banking problems. its obvious that they are collecting plenty of money to pay their customers, but they're only paying the ones who produce volume. i have friends that are owed 100's of 1000's of dollars, but i guess those arent big enough accounts. its great that some people are getting paid, but its going to look very, very bad for ibill when they get dragged into court. __________________ the revolution is coming.

01-21-2005, 08:57 PM	#23
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	good post

01-21-2005, 09:01 PM	#24
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	good question, but u know the answer ;-)

01-21-2005, 09:05 PM	#25
jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	Which program does Quiet runs ?

01-21-2005, 09:30 PM	#27
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	MarcDE owns 51% of ibill __________________ - nothing here -

01-21-2005, 09:47 PM	#28
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Asking why Ibill is doing this is like asking a stripper that you turned into your girlfreind how many men she slept with. You already know the answer (too many) but you still want to hear it for yourself for some stupid reason. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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01-22-2005, 04:27 AM	#34
TheFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,095	they must get paid i am 100 percent sure of it

01-22-2005, 05:01 AM	#35
Gottis Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: VIP NO ID Posts: 1,746	quiet was a little worried at times (use the search tool).

01-22-2005, 05:06 AM	#36
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	I'm an IBILL EU client and I received my check yesterday... Terry

01-22-2005, 05:40 AM	#37
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	Who is Quiet ? __________________ Adult Traffic for Sale

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johnny1 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: MTL Posts: 872	IbillEU still owes us!! CcbillEU is good to us, hopefully Epoch comes to EU! __________________ --------------- ICQ163686688

01-22-2005, 08:33 AM	#40
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	I asked as well, and they told here on GFY, IBILL EU, does not miss aSINGLE payment, and they are good for them. But now with this new crap... we will see __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

01-22-2005, 08:40 AM	#41
Marc De Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 632	I've been a faithful iBill client for 8 years now. They owe me VERY significant money for their domestic processing debacle (7 figures). That is an issue I'm working with them on, as are many other clients. The moment that issue arrived we were already at iBill EU with our new processing. Our content partner Storm Media is located in the EU and was using their EU processing. I haven't had one hiccup in payment with their foreign stuff. I have my ear to the ground and my fingers on their pulse and I have alternatives in place. In the event of a repeat in the EU, I'll jump ship to protect my business, you can be guaranteed. As for now, things are running quite smoothly and with iBill EU our sales are VERY strong. Also note that CCBill EU does not offer pre checked x sells, a huge portion of our business model. *Further note that Epoch will get busines from us the moment their EU processing is online!

01-22-2005, 09:01 AM	#42
Entropy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 4,128	that sucks...i hope they sort it all out __________________ The Gay Market Is Where The Money's At! AlleyBucks Is The Queer Eye For Straight Webmaster Guys CCBill Based Affiliate Program With Hosted Galleries ICQ: 226-359-635

01-22-2005, 09:43 AM	#43
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	once epocheu comes out ibill is dead

01-22-2005, 10:32 AM	#44
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Marc De Thanks for the reply. I figured you were on top of it.

01-22-2005, 11:51 AM	#48
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Nutella. LOL Twistys sales low. And why do i care? I'm owed a substantial 6 figure amount from ibill. What happens with ibill concerns me. While I focus on my one hit wonder keep focusing on keeping your identity a secret. Last edited by Shap; 01-22-2005 at 11:52 AM..

01-22-2005, 12:02 PM	#49
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	By the looks of it Nutella you are simply a big pimproll fan. What's your beef with us Nutella?