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Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 12:45 PM

We're shooting this one on the 28th for a submission, but we'll have extra time with her. She does erotic and adult solo nudes. If anyone here has a particular request then hit us up on ICQ. 272-185-119

Spunky · 01-15-2005, 12:46 PM

Sexy looking lady

kmanrox · 01-15-2005, 12:55 PM

Milf........

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kmanrox

Milf........

Blind........?

Indica · 01-15-2005, 01:00 PM

she looks like a very pretty middle aged woman.

Dirty F · 01-15-2005, 01:02 PM

Not bad...

...for a milf.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Indica

she looks like a very pretty middle aged woman.

My apologies. She is 21 and her schtick is apparently that she can make herself up to look like Cameraon Diaz:

nudecanada · 01-15-2005, 01:13 PM

Are you going to shoot her with a better camera? Those pics are terrible.

Indica · 01-15-2005, 01:13 PM

opps, my apologys.
would like to see her do her self up to look like cameron though.

Tala · 01-15-2005, 01:16 PM

She looks bored, but I bet if I got to tie her to that delightful St.Andrews before which she stands she wouldn't be bored anymore!

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nudecanada

Are you going to shoot her with a better camera? Those pics are terrible.

I didn't shoot these, these are from her portfolio. I've never met her, just emailed her through her agent. I'll be shooting her with a professional digital camera.

Tala · 01-15-2005, 01:19 PM

Incidentally....the touch-up job looks really rough. Kind of a turnoff.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tala

Incidentally....the touch-up job looks really rough. Kind of a turnoff.

I agree. But as I said, these are NOT my pictures!!!

OneHungLo · 01-15-2005, 02:39 PM

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

http://www.exploitedteens.com/ARIEL/main.jpg

Thanks rob!

OneHungLo · 01-15-2005, 02:48 PM

Here's a sample video of her

David! · 01-15-2005, 02:53 PM

She does look like cameron diaz, maybe a celeb site could use her for some "fake pics"

flashfire · 01-15-2005, 03:04 PM

she totally looks milf...remember thats not a bad thing, still hot just old

Peter Romero · 01-15-2005, 03:23 PM

Dude! Quit using other photographers work (in this case it's Ken Marcus's) to advertise your content production. Grow some balls, set up an interview with the model, take some good pictures of her, and post them here. You are a chicken shit or just a shitty shooter. Ken Marcus is a friend of mine & she will be PISSED when she finds out that you are using his pix without his permission for your own advertising.

Vitasoy · 01-15-2005, 03:35 PM

She does not look 21, but shes a hottie.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by POV Porn guy

Dude! Quit using other photographers work (in this case it's Ken Marcus's) to advertise your content production. Grow some balls, set up an interview with the model, take some good pictures of her, and post them here. You are a chicken shit or just a shitty shooter. Ken Marcus is a friend of mine & she will be PISSED when she finds out that you are using his pix without his permission for your own advertising.

Look Peter the Asswipe, first of all LEARN TO READ:

Quote:

I didn't shoot these, these are from her portfolio. I've never met her, just emailed her through her agent. I'll be shooting her with a professional digital camera.

Quote:

But as I said, these are NOT my pictures!!!

Second of all, every since I shot down your stupid ass attempt to ruin my credibility in the "Flame" thread, you've obviously been lying in wait trying to get revenge. Give it up. Have fun with your "Point of View" shit, make some money with it (good for you if you are) but leave your dumb childish jealousy antics where they belong, which is in your ass.

Tuga · 01-15-2005, 04:01 PM

This whole thread sucks.

Manowar · 01-15-2005, 04:03 PM

i'd hit it

pxxx · 01-15-2005, 04:04 PM

she is not bad at all.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-15-2005, 04:11 PM

WorkSHop WIlly what POV PORN guy said is true.

You dont go and take others people work and use it. Did you forget that part of shooting content? Potential clients see of the camara work is a fucken factor or ya not figure that out?

Oh sorry free tip but you really look like an ass using ther people photos to drum up business. VERY POOR sportsmanship and that kinda shit dont fly.

I do hope ya say sorry to POVPORN guy he is a fucken pro and ya better consider his advice.

abyss_al · 01-15-2005, 04:15 PM

in some pics, she sort of looks like Cameron Diaz

Dalai lama · 01-15-2005, 04:17 PM

i dont like her

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

WorkSHop WIlly what POV PORN guy said is true.

You dont go and take others people work and use it. Did you forget that part of shooting content? Potential clients see of the camara work is a fucken factor or ya not figure that out?

Oh sorry free tip but you really look like an ass using ther people photos to drum up business. VERY POOR sportsmanship and that kinda shit dont fly.

I do hope ya say sorry to POVPORN guy he is a fucken pro and ya better consider his advice.

Did I ever claim credit for these photos? NO. In fact I specified that they are from her portfolio.

As for POV Porn guy, I have a different opinion of his professional nature.

jt420 · 01-15-2005, 04:20 PM

even if she is 21 she looks older, which isnt a bad thing, and she does slightly look like Cameron Diaz. good luck with her

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-15-2005, 04:22 PM

It dont matter dip shit.

You sell yourself, sell your work and not someone elses. All photographers have a style and its a consideration for people to see your work, not just the girl.

Trust me on this.

Then you comming in on the scene calling a respected guy in this business some shit. Thats really dumb.
POVPORN GUY, is is a great guy if ya knew em ya would value what he had to say. Your an idiot in the first place but you really just kinda stepped over the top.

I do not usually respond to newbies but since your a local guy I cut ya some slack. Smarten up dude.

Peter Romero · 01-15-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

Did I ever claim credit for these photos? NO. In fact I specified that they are from her portfolio.

As for POV Porn guy, I have a different opinion of his professional nature.

Just talked to Ken Marcus and he's shooting right now, but when he is done, you will think diferently about calling me an ass for watching out for my long time friend who's pictures that you are using to drum up some work for your sorry ass.

As for me, be carefull who you say is fulla shit before I spread the word about your copywrite infringement & hotlinking on this or any other board - good day sir.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POV Porn guy

Just talked to Ken Marcus and he's shooting right now, but when he is done, you will think diferently about calling me an ass for watching out for my long time friend who's pictures that you are using to drum up some work for your sorry ass.

As for me, be carefull who you say is fulla shit before I spread the word about your copywrite infringement & hotlinking on this or any other board - good day sir.

This isn't copyright infringement as far as I can see, and it isn't hotlinking. As for who is fulla shit, that would be YOU.

AlienQ, I don't mean to pick a fight with you over this, but my experience with POV has been one in which he has come after me without foundation. He has never won any of these disputes. Maybe he's just trying to win one to save his ego, who knows?

And POV if I end up banned, so be it. You work for the owner of GFY? Good for you, as you wouldn't be able to get it done without that advantage.

Pete · 01-15-2005, 04:33 PM

I'd let her wash my car.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

It dont matter dip shit.

You sell yourself, sell your work and not someone elses. All photographers have a style and its a consideration for people to see your work, not just the girl.

Trust me on this.

Then you comming in on the scene calling a respected guy in this business some shit. Thats really dumb.
POVPORN GUY, is is a great guy if ya knew em ya would value what he had to say. Your an idiot in the first place but you really just kinda stepped over the top.

I do not usually respond to newbies but since your a local guy I cut ya some slack. Smarten up dude.

Let me ask you something, AlienQ: when a photographer submits a model to a potential buyer using her portfolio pictures for approval, is that wrong?

If so, everyone in this part of the industry (including POV) better start changing their operations. I know for a fact that POV sells models to buyers using pictures from their portfolios. So, I decided to post portfolio pictures in here and ask about interest, and I clearly state that these are NOT my pictures, they are from her portfolio. What is the difference between that and a submission?

You should think through what you're saying. I did not remove Ken's logo, they are posted here precisely as they appear on her portfolio.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by POV Porn guy

This has got to be a fake prize. Read the ad copy. How pitiful - to nominate, vote & compete against yourself & then congradulate yourself on winning too. Pathetic.

Hey Heather - remember trying to get me to join your site just to get casting pix of you so that I could submit them to my clients to get you hired? Classic.

Just needed to find that. POV actually solicits pictures of models from them taken by others and uses them to sell his work. FOR SHAME!!!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-15-2005, 05:04 PM

Well your asking me about things I do not do.

I myself take pride in everything I shoot, and take pride in presenting what I do EXACTLY to my clients. The ability to shoot is not a given, its an art and thats a part of selling the whole package.

Everyone works differently but personally I do not use others people work to spark interest in any of my productions in any shape or form.

Take your punches and take a look what some experienced guys are trying to tell you, forget the demeanor it is irrelevant. They are giving ya sound advice.

SureFire · 01-15-2005, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

Did I ever claim credit for these photos? NO. In fact I specified that they are from her portfolio.

As for POV Porn guy, I have a different opinion of his professional nature.

Pretty Model. Do you have any examples of your photography skills that you can post? Checked your website out and did not see any.

xclusive · 01-15-2005, 05:09 PM

very hot

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well your asking me about things I do not do.

I myself take pride in everything I shoot, and take pride in presenting what I do EXACTLY to my clients. The ability to shoot is not a given, its an art and thats a part of selling the whole package.

Everyone works differently but personally I do not use others people work to spark interest in any of my productions in any shape or form.

Take your punches and take a look what some experienced guys are trying to tell you, forget the demeanor it is irrelevant. They are giving ya sound advice.

Well, I think that people in here have the impression that I've never shot anything. This is FAR from the truth. However, with a model that I've never worked with before, I simply use her portfolio exactly as it is intended to be used - to display to buying customers her value as a model. So what if I have never worked with her? If she was local to me, I would MUCH prefer to use my own test shots, and that is what I usually do. But that's not always possible, as you yourself must know. I seriously don't see you or any individual photographer flying 3000 miles JUST to get a few test shots.

In fact, I recently paid a model $600 for 3 hours of test shooting. I don't go around using other people's work when I can help it, and when I do so, it is from their portfolios, as in this case.

I appreciate your message here AlienQ, but for the life of me I still cannot see that I've done anything wrong. Check her portfolio here if you don't believe me:
http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?ID=139573

Once you do, I think you'll see that I'm being unfairly blindsided here, and I hope you'll come back on and tell others what you think. You seem to have a fair mind, and I understand that POV is your friend. But I'm telling you, he seems to have it in for me for some reason I cannot even fathom. It all started with "Flame", and he hasn't forgotten losing that argument. At least, that's how I see it.

RRACY · 01-15-2005, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

We're shooting this one on the 28th for a submission, but we'll have extra time with her. She does erotic and adult solo nudes. If anyone here has a particular request then hit us up on ICQ. 272-185-119

Assuming these pics were provided by the model you've done nothing wrong except post these poor images on, of all places GFY. I don't give a shit if Mr. playboy himself shot these pics, they are nothing short of HORRIBLE. Always test shoot the model if possible and make her look like a girl.

Clearly exploitedteens knows what they're doing.

inabon · 01-15-2005, 05:30 PM

nice legs

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SureFire

Pretty Model. Do you have any examples of your photography skills that you can post? Checked your website out and did not see any.

I agree, I think she's stunning. And NO TATOOS! yay!

Thanks for asking for my portfolio. here are some samples:

http://www.trickedmedia.com/temporary-shots/

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 05:51 PM

Duh. I should also post my own OMP profile here, and thanks for bringing it up again SureFire!

http://www.onemodelplace.com/photogr....cfm?P_ID=6148

Wiggles · 01-15-2005, 06:10 PM

looks pretty plain in my opinion.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiggles

looks pretty plain in my opinion.

The model, or my portfolio?

Entropy · 01-15-2005, 07:30 PM

That model is alright...Nothing wrong with natural...excluding her hair color, of course...

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entropy

That model is alright...Nothing wrong with natural...excluding her hair color, of course...

Yep, I kind of think she's going to be an excellent model for me. I'm looking forward to shooting her. Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I'll get some shots of her up after the shoot.

oceania · 01-15-2005, 08:17 PM

Hopefully you can improve on her portfolio. She's a very different model when she's able to convey some personality. Blank, brooding or bored just doesn't cut it.

Workshop_Willy · 01-15-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oceania

Hopefully you can improve on her portfolio. She's a very different model when she's able to convey some personality. Blank, brooding or bored just doesn't cut it.

Actually, I think her portfolio is rather good. I like Ken's work.

Pornwolf · 01-15-2005, 10:31 PM

21? I can't believe you are lying to us like that. I'm offended.

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