IBILL NOT PAYING ON RECURRINGS, if no new signups

[SodomHussein]

Is it just me or has anyone else been recently fucked by ibill's latest policy of not paying webmasters on their rebills if you are not processing new signups? Isn't that some shit? Seems like just another reason not to pay webmasters their hard-earned money. The sales reps, including national sales reps, don't even answer their phones. Amazing..... I never even knew about this policy till today.

The useless customer support chic told me that I have to process new sign-ups inorder to recieve payout. Or I can send an email to closures to close my account, and then all of my customers will be "cancelled," and I'll receive payout in 6 months. HAHAHA Yeah right.

Seems to be that anyone not processing new sign-ups with Ibill might as well just kiss their rebills goodbye, whether its tens of thousands in monthly recurrings or just hundreds. "New sign-ups," I believe, means new sign-ups within a 30 day period. However, they don't even clarify how many you have to be sending inorder to be considered active. Why would anyone that they are doing this to pay for traffic to generate Ibill sign-ups, if they are most likely not going to get paid???? This is bullshit!

[Fake Nick]

SodomHussein ? ? wtf ?

[xclusive]

that's fucked up

[SmokeyTheBear]

most peeps are just sending them a few token signups to get the rebills

[SodomHussein]

I guess the options are:

1. Send them a couple of charity joins a month.

2. Cancel all current memberships, send the amount owed from Ibill to a collection agency or attorney. And e-mail current members to re-signup under merchant account.

3. Cancel and refund all members for ALL monies not paid out on.

Hmmmmm. This has to be the most pathetic excuse I have ever seen to not pay webmasters. They are pathetic and just trying to hold onto every cent they can.

[brand0n]

if you send them 2 sign ups a week your still active.

commies

[SodomHussein]

I almost forgot....

Option 4. Take Ibill stock options instead of cash. HAHAHA

[davethetruth]

We thought about doing this a few years ago, but decided against it.

From the sponsor's point of view: Why should we still pay webmasters that sent a thousand sales back in 1997, and haven't sent a single hit since then?

[SodomHussein]

Why should us webmasters have to send them any new sign-ups if we don't wish to? What they are doing amounts to extortion. I know this wasn't in the agreements I signed with them.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Are they going to process them??

If they do that is just stealing....Plain and simple

They really are fucking C unts!

And DaveTheTruth, what program are u talking about?.... I will add to my list of sponsors never to touch

[SodomHussein]

This is happening to so many people but they just don't know. A friend of mine is owed some $20k on his SMID for a few of months recurrings and wasn't even aware they stopped paying him. He is using Ibill Europe. Ibill must be making a fortune by not paying people.

This is like operating a click-thru on a massive scale, and just deciding on a whim to stopping millions of dollars in monthly payouts to people that decide to stop sending traffic to your program, for whatever reason.

[fedfest]

Originally Posted by davethetruth

From the sponsor's point of view: Why should we still pay webmasters that sent a thousand sales back in 1997, and haven't sent a single hit since then?

Ehh.. not sure if you'r just being ironic here.. but if not..
BECAUSE THEY SEND THE SALES !!!
Don't get gready just because your webmasters decided to push other programs, they are still the ones that made the sales, and you wouldn't even have had those sales if it wasn't for them !

[Shoplifter]

I've never seen anyone I know of say that this is the case. If it is it's certainly bad business.

[BergyK]

All I can say is IBILL "BIG BUNCH OF FUCKING CROOKS" I WANT MY MONEY ASSHOLES

[SodomHussein]

You are absolutley right that it is bad business. Unfortunately, this is the case. Just got off the phone with them an hour ago asking why they haven't gotten back to me on my "case number," eventhough its been some 4 weeks. The answer the chic on the phone gave was their policy from upper management is to withhold payments to webmasters not sending active signups, until they start sending new sign-ups.

Anyone planning on building up a bunch of recurrings with Ibill and then retiring? FORGET ABOUT IT.

Anyone that has recurrings from the past and isn't actively using Ibill, I suggest you check your stats to see how much they haven't paid you. You may be in for a shocker.

[tony286]

Does any body take the time to read the terms and conditions before signing up for things? Its always been you stop sending new your account is held for 6 months. Thats not new .

[SodomHussein]

Tony404,

This is Ibills service agreement. No where does it even state this on there:

USA Webmasters:
https://www.ibill.com/about/Service_...l_Complete.cfm

EU Webmasters
https://www.ibill.com/about/Service_...omplete_EU.cfm

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by SodomHussein

Why should us webmasters have to send them any new sign-ups if we don't wish to? What they are doing amounts to extortion. I know this wasn't in the agreements I signed with them.

Like
HE'S DAMN RIGHT ?????

Would you send them signups not knowing if you would be paid ?

Now get serious here !
I've been online for so many years now.
You fuck me in the ass, i wipe out the stuff and you won't be able to do it again


Smells a lot, smells a lot

[sonofsam]

i've heard nothing but bad things about ibill :s

[tony286]

25. Term:
The term of this Service Agreement shall be for 12 months beginning upon execution of this document by Client and subsequent acceptance by iBill, and shall automatically renew at the end of each consecutive 12 month period unless iBill receives written notice of non-renewal from Client no less than 30 days prior to the expiration of such 12 month period. iBill reserves the right to terminate this Agreement without cause upon 30 days prior notification to Client. iBill may further terminate this Agreement immediately without notice at any time Client breaches any part of this Agreement. Upon termination, notice of non-renewal or cancellation of this Agreement payment shall be made in accordance with the Section entitled "Payment", above.

If you dont give notice of cancelation , then thats a breach of the agreement.

[Fabien]

Sue ?
Hummmm

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by tony404

25. Term:
The term of this Service Agreement shall be for 12 months beginning upon execution of this document by Client and subsequent acceptance by iBill, and shall automatically renew at the end of each consecutive 12 month period unless iBill receives written notice of non-renewal from Client no less than 30 days prior to the expiration of such 12 month period. iBill reserves the right to terminate this Agreement without cause upon 30 days prior notification to Client. iBill may further terminate this Agreement immediately without notice at any time Client breaches any part of this Agreement. Upon termination, notice of non-renewal or cancellation of this Agreement payment shall be made in accordance with the Section entitled "Payment", above.

If you dont give notice of cancelation , then thats a breach of the agreement.

Im probably being dim here, but I cant see how this has anything to do with what we are talking about?

Can you explain?

[detoxed]

sucks .

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by damian2001

Im probably being dim here, but I cant see how this has anything to do with what we are talking about?

Can you explain?

Basically its fairly open ended , they mean if you stop doing business with them (without notification), they can withhold payment's

Thats why the other ibill option is to cancel your account and get paid in 6 months.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Basically its fairly open ended , they mean if you stop doing business with them (without notification), they can withhold payment's

Thats why the other ibill option is to cancel your account and get paid in 6 months.

My understanding is you have a business relationship with them until the last customer cancels their rebill. As the contract is auto renewed at the end of 12 months unless they term the relationship they cant do this.

But your right, it is very open ended. At the end of the day it would be a case of who has the most expensive lawyer.

It fucking stinks whatever way you look at it though

[Webby]

Basically iBill is already in breach of contract. It is ironic anyone pays attention to a contract that has been breached. Try that on a judge and see how long any purported exisiting contract holds up!

The issue is iBill's inability to pay it's creditors/clients.

I'd like to see any officer of iBill mutter bullshit to me about not paying recurring billing when they are already up to their necks in existing unpaid amounts.

If anyone has such info... it would be interesting to see it. :-)

[girlzshow]

Originally Posted by davethetruth

We thought about doing this a few years ago, but decided against it.

From the sponsor's point of view: Why should we still pay webmasters that sent a thousand sales back in 1997, and haven't sent a single hit since then?

This isn't the same thing. We haven't been paid since 9/22 for joins, and that's why we aren't sending signups.

Besides, if you make a deal that you pay for recurring memberships, then I think that's what you should do.

This whole conversation is surreal. Who's getting paid anyway?

[flashfire]

what a bunch of fags...thats not what I signed up for

[Aric]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Basically its fairly open ended , they mean if you stop doing business with them (without notification), they can withhold payment's

Technically, aren't recurring membership payments still "doing business" with them? Or does it mean "new fresh meat business"?

[- Jesus Christ -]

Scumbags.

[Hinc]

I dont like their method - but still...wouldnt the easiest thing still be to keep the account active (like offering ibill as billing option number 10 - and then sending a single signup once in a rare while....?)

[Dcat]

I just received a bounced affiliate check from IBill today.

IBill

[Dawgy]

the eternal question remains:

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MONEY THEY ARE COLLECTING FROM SURFERS?????

why do they need a loan to pay current payout

[Veterans Day]

Don't worry Tony404 and Mandy Blake will still be here telling you everything is ok and IBill is doing ok and trying to make it work, even after filing for bankruptcy. You 2 goons are made for each other and still belies me as to why you suck thier nuts so hard, you must be gettin paid by ibill huh? Low down scumbags is what IBill amounts too. prepare to get fucked. Even if they make it through, NOONE I know would touch a sponsor using IBill, they are dead while still being alive.

[Webby]

Dcat:

I just received a bounced affiliate check from IBill today.

Off the top of your head - you know when that bounced check was issued?

Everything has meaning when the jigsaw is assembled :-)

[pxxx]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Don't worry Tony404 and Mandy Blake will still be here telling you everything is ok and IBill is doing ok and trying to make it work, even after filing for bankruptcy. You 2 goons are made for each other and still belies me as to why you suck thier nuts so hard, you must be gettin paid by ibill huh? Low down scumbags is what IBill amounts too. prepare to get fucked. Even if they make it through, NOONE I know would touch a sponsor using IBill, they are dead while still being alive.

You couldn't have said it any better.

I would take them to court to get every single penny they owe me. Good thing i wasn't affected by this.

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by Webby

Dcat:



Off the top of your head - you know when that bounced check was issued?

Everything has meaning when the jigsaw is assembled :-)

Let me follow up with my bank before I say anything further. It could be anything at this point. Problems on my end, or problems on their end, who knows? All my other IBill checks that I cashed at the same time have cleared without problem.

[Dawgy]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Even if they make it through, NOONE I know would touch a sponsor using IBill, they are dead while still being alive.

i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.

[Veterans Day]

Originally Posted by Dawgy

i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.

Different story imo, does ARS pay the webmaster directly? If so theres your answer as to why people send joins to companies that still use IBill.

[Dawgy]

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Different story imo, does ARS pay the webmaster directly? If so theres your answer as to why people send joins to companies that still use IBill.

of course. just surprising someone so large would gamble with ibill.

[Aric]

Originally Posted by Dawgy

i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.

Maybe you don't know the whole story?

[Hinc]

I´d be surprised if anyone knwew the full story...

[Screaming]

another excuse on the long line of them

[SodomHussein]

Originally Posted by Dawgy

i know tons of people still sending to ibill supported companies, like ars, who ive heard are being paid & have never missed a payment. which makes me wonder if ibill will survive, marc is a smart guy and i cant see him gambling like that if he wasnst confident theyd pull thru...

still tho, what ibill is doing is criminal and i hope they fry.

Perhaps ARS is using Ibill as their gateway and has their own merchant account. If that is the case, Ibill isn't making payments to them. They are just scrubbing and acting as the gateway to ARS's processor. If that is not the case, than Ibill is probably selectively paying whom they choose and fucking off the rest of the webmasters that don't send them a lot of business. However, if this it the case, given Ibill's past performance, its likely that once ARS stops sending new sign-ups they won't get paid either.

[Webby]

SodomHussein:

If that is not the case, than Ibill is probably selectively paying whom they choose and fucking off the rest of the webmasters that don't send them a lot of business.

There is definately selective payouts happening. Some webmasters have not been paid for months - even before shit hit the fan - and other have been paid "relatively" up to date.

This is a mixed bag as far as is known - some are smaller revenue generators, others more substantial. The sampling I know of are a mix of both US and EU webmasters - tho why the fuck the EU has not been paid, hell knows. There is no known problem with EU bank payments to iBill and it would appear they are taking the EU bank funds and allocating as they see fit into one melting pot.

[ibill-fraud]

It use to be back in the old days before the Jason scam team took over, you always had the option of switching to Ibill's processing plus which meant you got your own merchant account and just used Ibill's software as a gateway paying a flat fee of $1 per transaction. This way you were paid daily from your merchant. But now they won't let you move your rebills over to processing plus.

Well come payday, will be interesting to see just how many people Ibill decides to screw over. And the people that do get paid will probably have to wait at least another 2 months to get another 2 weeks worth of pay.

[jennycards]

Hello xxxx,

Thank you for contacting the iBill Payables Department.

In regards to your request:

*****
I placed an iBill signup button on our webpage again and am also
receiving some sign-ups.

Would you please confirm my account has been re-activated for payouts.
*****

iBill has received three signups for this month therefore, we are unable to resume payout at this time. Once the volume of new signups coming from your site then your account then another review of your account can be done to resume payout.
Any changes that will affect payout needs to be done at least 10 business days before the next scheduled payout.

So don't believe it's enough to send them a FEW signups.

iBill

[DarkJedi]

Set them up as a secondary processor.

[VeriSexy]

After all the complaints, people are still using IBILL?

[jennycards]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Set them up as a secondary processor.

I did that. See my posting above!