GFED

Which is worse? I've got a friend that has started doing ICE because it gets him higher, and longer... He started getting headaches from coming down from coke and thinks it's from the cut... He says people cut coke with too much crap and he's tired of paying for junk...

Isn't meth worse? I heard it crystalizes in your blood?

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NickPapageorgio

They will both kill you From experience, I can tell you that Meth is not as intense as coke. As in, you don't get that rush like you get when you choke back a fucking honker. However, Meth is much easier to do for days and days when you chase the dragon cause your nose doesn't close up like it does on coke. Mine anyway.

As far as crystalizing in your blood, I have never heard that.

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com

TRUST me on this, we just put our old CEO in rehab for speed & GHB. Coke is a social drug, glass will twist you quicker than anything.

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NickPapageorgio

And on that note, I would say that maybe the Meth is worse seeing as how you can be up for days on end as long as you have a supply. I think 80 hours is the longest I was ever up on that shit before my body just started shutting down.

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ATL_Ryan

Your Friend is an Idiot.

NickPapageorgio

Yeah man. It's some bad stuff. How old is he? Tell him that there is no glam in that shit man.

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nico-t

holy shit..... i never tried any harddrugs

com

I've seen weeks in the office. Had some of my old partners up 5 - 8 solid days at a time. Then G out for 20 minutes and be back up for 8 days. Speed is far worse.

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GFED

He's 35... we used to be pot smoking buddies and go out playing pool and shit... I don't like the way he gets on the ice... or the people he's started hanging with... everyone seems to get this violent look... I think he's doing it to hang with the strippers... most of them prefer crank over coke...

chicken heads...

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He's retarded tell him to quit if you are a real friend

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NickPapageorgio

Both of those turn you into a completely different person when you are an addict for sure. I would be straight with him man and tell him what's up. That shit is going to fuck him up. I spent 2 years of my life strung out and I can tell you, it's a miracle that I made it back. That shit is a monkey on your back that is always talking in your ear. I still get urges for cocaine. Especially in a social setting. He has to learn to control it or it's going to have him sucking dick in a back alley for cash. :2cents

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notjoe

They perfer it because its cheaper to buy/consume.

When it comes to hard drugs the addiction is (for the most part) the same. It's when people start caving to the cravings that the drug becomes a problem...it's all about self control and what is important to the person.

That said, i believe meth is worse for you because of how its made... at east cocaine is derived from a plant.

notjoe

Well said.. i used to do a lot of coke for a few years.. While i havent given up the drug completely i'd only do it once in a while...last time i did it was new years eve of last year.

What got me out was seeing what i was doing to myself, my family, what i had before and what i had lost...It was a rude awakening but something i needed.

As long as you can control it and dont let it control you you'll be ok...

shageman

a burn that burns so good, each one is very addicting, i have known people who did coke for a bit and didnt do it anymore with no problem, but meth they had a hard time not doing it anymore, but same for coke for a few people iknew

Triple 6

couple months ago i did some 'E' that turned out to be a meth bomb. As much as I liked it, that shit had me up for mad long and I felt wide awake. Tryin to have sex on it was baaad, I couldnt concentrate on one thought to get me over the top.... but, i did enjoy the 12 hour blow job i was getting from my girl. heh. and to both of us the time flew by like it was nothing. Crazy shit that meth is.

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Triple 6

but i never fucked with coke (ok maybe smoked it ina blunt once or twice) but i dont ever want to try something that has a known addiction to it (never heard of peeps getting addicted to E). I had hard enuff time tryin to quit ciggs... i dont need some shit that will suck my life, and especially my wallet, 10x quicker.


chill niggaaaaa

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NickPapageorgio

I still do it on occasion but it's nothing like it used to be. Hell, in 2003 I spent probably close to 30K on coke. Personally, I had to look at what it was doing to my family as well. My wife and I were both junkies and our kids were suffering from our addiction. We'd stay up 48 hours snorting rails and then act like assholes to the kids for being kids all because WE were tired and out of lines. I had to take a step back and analyze what the fuck I was doing. If you can learn to handle it, and not let it take control then it's not so bad. The only time I will do it now is if I am out of town or something and there is no wife and no kids around. I won't do it at home anymore at all. It's a disease when it gets to the addiction stage. It's like the flu or cancer or whatever. The key is not to let it get to the disease stage and keep it light.

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notjoe

E is very addictive. It suppresses your serotonin production in the brain so that you become dependant on the drug for that.

com

pure as the driven snow

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com

no offense, but bullshit ;)

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NickPapageorgio

Here is a little wakeup on the "E". My brother was a DJ in quite a few clubs & raves in DC and Cleveland and he used to deal E as well as take it. He now has some kind of weird ass heart condition and his mind is all fucked up due to something that E is mixed with. I don't know about addiction but that alone will keep me away from it. He can't even drink a beer anymore without his heart beating out of his chest like it's going to explode.

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notjoe

Dont be stupid

http://mdma.net/serotonin/serotonin-syndrome.html

The ring-substituted amphetamine derivative 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) or "Ecstasy" is widely used a recreational drug. It stimulates the release and inhibits the reuptake of serotonin (5-HT) and other neurotransmitters such as dopamine to a lesser extent. The acute boost in monoamine activity can generate feelings of elation, emotional closeness, and sensory pleasure. In the hot and crowded conditions of raves/dances, mild versions of the serotonin syndrome often develop, when hyperthermia, mental confusion, and hyperkinesia predominate. Rest in a cooler environment generally reverses these problems, although they can develop into medical emergencies, which occasionally prove fatal. This acute serotonergic overactivity is exacerbated by the high ambient temperatures, overcrowding (aggregate toxicity), and use of other stimulant drugs. The on-drug experience is generally followed by negative moods, with 80--90% of weekend Ecstasy users reporting 'midweek blues', due probably to monoaminergic depletion. Single doses of MDMA can cause serotonergic nerve damage in laboratory animals, with repeated doses causing extensive loss of distal axon terminals. Huether's explanatory model for this 5-HT neurotoxicity will be briefly described. There is an increasing body of evidence for equivalent neuropsychobiological damage in humans. Abstinent regular Ecstasy users often show: reduced cerebrospinal 5-HIAA, reduced density of 5-HT transporters, blunted response to a fenfluramine challenge, memory problems, higher cognitive deficits, various psychiatric disorders, altered appetite, and loss of sexual interest. Functional deficits may remain long after drug use has ceased and are consistent with serotonergic axonal loss in higher brain regions.

com

That is also most likely not E related. E is cut with a pharmacutical cut, and on the ocation you will get it cut with something it would be MDA, or DXM. Your brother has anxiety, for one reason or another. But it's not the MDMA. Also it's smart to know what you're taking. Always test your drugs if you can't buy from a reliable source.

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Brain imaging research in humans indicates that Ecstasy causes injury to the brain, affecting neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays a direct role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. Many of the side effects users face with Ecstasy use are similar to those found with the use of cocaine and amphetamines: Psychological Ecstasy side effects, including confusion, depression, sleep problems, drug craving, severe anxiety, and paranoia ...

Full article here

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com

Thank you Dr. Joe, but this in no ways describes an addictive property. Actually quite the oposite, if you do E often, it looses its effect and becomes essentially a $20 hit of speed, thus, is not physically addictive. The crash described above is from heavy regular users, and it obviously due to the lack of seretonin available.

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notjoe

You're right and Nick, Me, and the numerous resource sites out there which list all the problems related to taking E are wrong.

NickPapageorgio

He took E. He only took E. Before taking it he was normal. Now his heart is fucked up and his mind is weird. I don't know if it had anything to do with the E or not, but that is enough to keep me away from it like I said.

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com

You are confusing your facts. Heroin is addictive, MDMA is not. MDMA could perhaps be mentaly addictive, at worse. However, due to its nature, the more you do the less you get. Which really defeats the purpouse of being addicted to the drug. Even the worse case scenarios I've seen in my personal experience, have no interest in doing the drug again after their first binge, and most do not use again.

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nice cut n paste



All depends on who's report you wanna believe,
there's others out there that are pro-E.
Better to see a comparison of E vs Booze and compare the results

psili

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NickPapageorgio

What do you mean? Me?

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com

Yes you...

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NickPapageorgio

Ahh...cause I posted my own personal experiences with different things in a honest way and posted my personal opinion on things? Right on.

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psili

No. The comment wasn't intended to anyone in particular. I just think it strange some people take using drugs so lightly, such as the guy who started this thread's friend -- "coke" or "meth" ? WTF kind of question is that? Like Hunter S. Thompson said, you can turn your back on a person wielding a knife, but never on a drug wielding a knife. There's more truth to that than people know.

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escorpio

Both suck and will turn you into an asshole then kill you.

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com

I aggree, but for accuracy's sake, it's "You can turn your back on a person, but never on a drug. Especially when it's waving a razor sharp hunting knife in your face."

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psili

That's the quote. Thanks kindly for that. It sounded better the accurate way and wish I took the time to get the right one.

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com

I've read the book too many times...

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And I wasn't trying to deny your point on E com and I wasn't arguing the point that perhaps, it's not addictive. All I was saying was that it was the only variable in my brothers equation. Brother + "E" = Something messed up. Hell some people are physically and mentally addicted to Beany Babies or Toothpaste, odd as it may be it happens. Everyone's makeup is different and some people may be addicted to things whether it's medically conceivable or not. That's all I was saying.

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Trixie Racer

Our experiences are different. Coke would never wire me like crank could and it was nowhere near as intense.

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NickPapageorgio

wow that crazy. On coke I feel like I am crawling out of my skin after 10 or 15 lines. Crank just makes me wide awake. Not really a buzz for me.

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True, everyone reacts to everything different.

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GFED, the person is lost and requires a GOOD friend to help him/her out - someone that is prepared to take a ton of crap cause that is what usually occurs.

(The headaches are from serotonin overload, being he has pushed the envelope too many times or been high too many times for too long without taking breaks, or binging, and his brains does not want to deal with it any longer. Very very bad!) Drugs are powerful and not all can come out unscathed. I wish him the best of luck, but when he does recover, he will be a bigger and better person.

Gee, that is what I used to say when I would see a fat person. *sarcastic voice*

No ... he is not an idiot. As with most naive person, CJ_Ryan simply does not understand that your friend has decided to try something he thought he could handle. Mistake, yes, but does that make him an idiot? (If the answer is yes, than all persons are idiots!)

(Everyone assumes drugs are the culprits when it is actually a weak constitution. How is it different from alcohol, pills, fatty foods, smoking etc? All are bad and deadly.)
An idiot would be someone that overdoses and returns to whatever it is that pushed him/her over the edge; drives to and from the bar yet is not the DD; eats at McDonalds everyday; uses prescription drugs for every little headache and pain.

For me, my healthiest choices (based on my physicals every 6-months for my insurance plan) were dropping booze and shit/junky foods.

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drugs are for losers.

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pornstar2pac

50 drug users in this thread.



can you name them?

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Veterans Day

Some real quality people here, eatin up lines like candy with children. Good for you guys, keep up the good work. Maybe if we are all lucky we can get to support your children when they are 15 and in rehab while the state foots the bill. You guys rock

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NickPapageorgio

Did you even read the thread? I believe that it was for the majority saying how bad all this stuff is. Or did I miss something? Yes I have kids. Yes I had a drug problem. I am human. I realized it was a problem and stopped. What's the problem?

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Veterans Day

The problem is endangering your precious children in the first place, get a clue. Your obviously weak minded, I understand that. Drugs consume weak minded individuals

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hahahah

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NickPapageorgio

Everyone makes mistakes. Well, except you ofcourse. Fuck off idiot. I fucked up and admitted it and changed it. That's alot more than most people do.

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