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10-25-2001, 03:09 PM

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/2001...rowsers_1.html

I actually tried it with Mozilla and it really gives an error.

Fuck Microsoft.

winter · 10-25-2001, 03:26 PM

"detected that the browser that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly"

Exactly, all non-IE browsers make websites look like shit, thus not rendering the page correctly. Good for microsoft.

Barry Porn · 10-25-2001, 03:27 PM

If Microsoft didn't exist, the Internet wouldn't be what it is today.

You probably don't even know why you don't like Microsoft.

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Originally posted by Equinox:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20011025/tc/msn_com_shuts_out_non-microsoft_browser s_1.html

I actually tried it with Mozilla and it really gives an error.

Fuck Microsoft.

tenletters · 10-25-2001, 03:27 PM

It's their site... why should it matter what they want to do there?

I don't want Chinese traffic on my site and I should be able to redirect them.

10-25-2001, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry Porn:
You probably don't even know why you don't like Microsoft.

Yawn

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have good reasons why I dislike Microsoft and their products, smartass.

Instant · 10-25-2001, 03:50 PM

and those reasons are..

Barry Porn · 10-25-2001, 05:02 PM

Such as?

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Originally posted by Equinox:
Yawn

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have good reasons why I dislike Microsoft and their products, smartass.

GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Instant:
and those reasons are..

Let's see. First and foremost MS is fucking arrogant! How can you be so arrogant when your products are so full of bugs?!? Ever used FrontPage? It produces more improper HTML than a 4th grade "Introduction to the web" class. And guess what.....the only browser that will render FPs "code" correctly is MSIE. Netscape shows it how it SHOULD be. Try to make a fairly complex page in FP then view it in MSIE then in Netscape. See some differences? I'll bet you do. Now open that document in a real HTML editor like Dreamweaver. Look at all the errors it finds. Even better, try to validate a MSFP created document with a 3rd party validator (like W3). Talk about errors!

Now, lets talk about security. Who makes that shitty email client that the entire world runs? That would be Micro$oft, right (speaking of Outlook and Outlook Express). Gotta watch those attachments, huh? Microsoft is to blame for most of the security problems on the net today. With good 'ol Linux, those goofy attachments don't scare me at all. How many viruses have I gotten on my Linux boxes? NONE! 'Nuff said about that!

I'm not even going to bring up their IIS (Internet Information Server). It's just a poor excuse for a server all around.

Linux is your friend.....don't fight it!

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rickrod · 10-25-2001, 05:06 PM

I think that I agree with Giggleberries. Not to his extreme, because everything Microsoft has done is not negative. But non the less, they do make shitty products.

Lane · 10-25-2001, 05:06 PM

Netscape 6 works totally fine here

Barry Porn · 10-25-2001, 05:07 PM

Those are not reasons.

I've been using NT5 for over a year without Anti Virus software and have not a problem once. Outlook Express & attachments? Huh?

Frontpage? Who uses frontpage?

Those are your only reasons?

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Originally posted by GiggleBerries:
Let's see. First and foremost MS is fucking arrogant! How can you be so arrogant when your products are so full of bugs?!? Ever used FrontPage? It produces more improper HTML than a 4th grade "Introduction to the web" class. And guess what.....the only browser that will render FPs "code" correctly is MSIE. Netscape shows it how it SHOULD be. Try to make a fairly complex page in FP then view it in MSIE then in Netscape. See some differences? I'll bet you do. Now open that document in a real HTML editor like Dreamweaver. Look at all the errors it finds. Even better, try to validate a MSFP created document with a 3rd party validator (like W3). Talk about errors!

Now, lets talk about security. Who makes that shitty email client that the entire world runs? That would be Micro$oft, right (speaking of Outlook and Outlook Express). Gotta watch those attachments, huh? Microsoft is to blame for most of the security problems on the net today. With good 'ol Linux, those goofy attachments don't scare me at all. How many viruses have I gotten on my Linux boxes? NONE! 'Nuff said about that!

I'm not even going to bring up their IIS (Internet Information Server). It's just a poor excuse for a server all around.

Linux is your friend.....don't fight it!

GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 05:12 PM

Are you an AOL user Barry? Know what a nice .vbs will do to your machine? What's your email address and I'll show you real quick! And you aren't running an antivirus on a MS server? That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever heard. And I'll bet you already have a virus (after all, if you don't have an AV program, how will you know).

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Barry Porn · 10-25-2001, 05:14 PM

Send them over?

Your the AOL User. What are you going to do, Netbus me?

hehe.

Fag.

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Originally posted by GiggleBerries:
Are you an AOL user Barry? Know what a nice .vbs will do to your machine? What's your email address and I'll show you real quick! And you aren't running an antivirus on a MS server? That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever heard. And I'll bet you already have a virus (after all, if you don't have an AV program, how will you know).

[Labret] · 10-25-2001, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry Porn:
If Microsoft didn't exist, the Internet wouldn't be what it is today.

You probably don't even know why you don't like Microsoft.

Amen. Sooo true.

GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry Porn:
Send them over?

Your the AOL User. What are you going to do, Netbus me?

hehe.

Fag.

Spoken like a true newbie. "Your" the AOL user? Haha, you might want to use that spiffy MS spell checking utility! I don't hack people for pleasure (although hacking you WOULD be a pleasure). Since all you can do is insult with remarks like "fag", I don't really consider your views on operating systems valid. You don't seem to know shit from Shineola.

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Lane · 10-25-2001, 05:22 PM

linux is cool, but can never be a susbtitute for windows, especially win2k...

i can leave win2k on for 10 days without rebooting and it doesnt even crash. and guess what? i cant do the same thing with linux.

win2k is so much more comfortable, user friendly and powerfull. it is ideal for a PC user. on the other hand, *nix is definitely the best OS for web servers.

i like developing programs on *nix. it is less destracting (because my icq, aim, outlook express and browser are not open at the same time

) . it is definitely a programmers choice, but i just love using win2k as my PC OS.

microsoft has done a lot so far, they do their business incredibly well and became a world standard. that is the reason why most people hate them, and hate Bill Gates. He looks stupid, especially his CEO Paul Ballmer is the biggest moron on earth. But they do their job at the best level, and i respect that they would do anything to stay as a world standard and continue their success.

if someone has the balls to produce better products, people will not hesitate to use them. its how microsoft started in this business anyways. they did something that other couldnt do.

having some respect would be a more mature behaviour than crying and whining..

Lane

Barry Porn · 10-25-2001, 05:25 PM

Heres my IP address Giggle Nuts.

66.65.9.100

Username: Administrator
Password: admin26

Quote:

Originally posted by GiggleBerries:
Spoken like a true newbie. "Your" the AOL user? Haha, you might want to use that spiffy MS spell checking utility! I don't hack people for pleasure (although hacking you WOULD be a pleasure). Since all you can do is insult with remarks like "fag", I don't really consider your views on operating systems valid. You don't seem to know shit from Shineola.

yys · 10-25-2001, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry Porn:
Heres my IP address Giggle Nuts.

66.65.9.100

Username: Administrator
Password: admin26

I couldn't tell you if GiggleBerries could hack you but if that is real info you just posted then you opened yourself up to some possible trouble as I am sure there are more then a few xperienced hackers trolling this board.

Barry Porn · 10-25-2001, 05:34 PM

I doubt that. And yes it's my "Real Info".

And I'm sure Giggle Nuts couldn't "hack" his way out of a wet paper bag.

Quote:

Originally posted by yys:

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry Porn:
Heres my IP address Giggle Nuts.

66.65.9.100

Username: Administrator
Password: admin26

I couldn't tell you if GiggleBerries could hack you but if that is real info you just posted then you opened yourself up to some possible trouble as I am sure there are more then a few xperienced hackers trolling this board.

GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry Porn:
Heres my IP address Giggle Nuts.

66.65.9.100

Username: Administrator
Password: admin26

Maybe reading isn't your strong point, son. I don't hack for pleasure. I have nothing to prove by trying to hack you.

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Nysus · 10-25-2001, 06:00 PM

It wouldn't be hacking if you are given a password. All you'd need to do is open up is network with explorer (add network) and put that info in place and you'd gain access.

So I do suggest you change your password because someone will do stupid shit.

Cheers

10-25-2001, 06:18 PM

The only thing that I would thank M$ for are their products that motivate tens of thousands of opensource programmers to progressivly improve their programs.

Knowledge belongs to the people.

Backov · 10-25-2001, 07:43 PM

Anyone who's done serious work (ie, enterprise level stuff) with a web based interface knows what pieces of shit most Netscape products are. The team at my last real job was doing applications to train the Chrysler sales forces, and one of the requirements was that it run on NS 4.7 (or 4.6, can't remember which).. You would not BELIEVE how many NS bugs that team found. They pulled out their hair trying to make that software (which worked perfectly on IE4/5 of course) work on Netscape platforms. They ended up doing seperate versions for each browser. Hopefully NS dissapears soon, and I applaud Microsoft for blowing off NS users.

As for your complaints about Frontpage.. Uh, so what? Microsoft made a shitty product? In fact, they didn't even make it, they bought it. Frontpage was an acquisition, and I assume they're just building on the old code base still. FP generates crap, but so what? Who uses it?

Most MS bashing is just ignorant band-wagon bullshit. I'm sure Linus Torvalds doesn't hate Microsoft, it's only the little people that do. Linus just didn't like their OS, so he made his own.

Cheers,
Backov

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GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 08:19 PM

Actually, I'm an MCSE and have been for a few years. I think I know a superior OS when I see one. I will say that Linux is NOT for amateur users. If you're looking for ease of operation, stick with MS. If you want power and security, *nix is for you. The average end user IS better off with Windows. Advanced users will be more productive and happier with Linux.

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GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by Backov:
Hopefully NS dissapears soon, and I applaud Microsoft for blowing off NS users.

Uh-huh, they're spineless too. I did agree with your comment about MS blowing off people using browsers other than MSIE. I did think that took balls (or extreme arrogance). Either way, they chickened out.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200...html?tag=tp_pr

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winter · 10-25-2001, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GiggleBerries:
Let's see. First and foremost MS is fucking arrogant! How can you be so arrogant when your products are so full of bugs?!? Ever used FrontPage? It produces more improper HTML than a 4th grade "Introduction to the web" class. And guess what.....the only browser that will render FPs "code" correctly is MSIE. Netscape shows it how it SHOULD be. Try to make a fairly complex page in FP then view it in MSIE then in Netscape. See some differences? I'll bet you do. Now open that document in a real HTML editor like Dreamweaver. Look at all the errors it finds. Even better, try to validate a MSFP created document with a 3rd party validator (like W3). Talk about errors!

Now, lets talk about security. Who makes that shitty email client that the entire world runs? That would be Micro$oft, right (speaking of Outlook and Outlook Express). Gotta watch those attachments, huh? Microsoft is to blame for most of the security problems on the net today. With good 'ol Linux, those goofy attachments don't scare me at all. How many viruses have I gotten on my Linux boxes? NONE! 'Nuff said about that!

I'm not even going to bring up their IIS (Internet Information Server). It's just a poor excuse for a server all around.

Linux is your friend.....don't fight it!

Because so many people use outlook express, they are going to be targetted as the best way to spread viruses. Since so many people are DUMB enough to open attachments, this also makes it the microsoft program an easy target. From your post it looks like you are just pissed because of a few shitty pieces of software microsoft has made which you had problems using. You don't have to worry about viruses anymore on your linux box? WOW, so you actually worried about them before while running windows? What are you, DUMB enough to download email attachments? Until you make a product that is used by 95 million people you can't blame the company who made the product for some bugs it has. If that many people used linux, people still using Mac 0s would be laughing at all the bugs in linux and their software.

awechen · 10-25-2001, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GiggleBerries:
Actually, I'm an MCSE

MCSE = Minesweeper Consultant & Solitaire Expert

))

andreas

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GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 09:29 PM

awechen = Someone who couldn't pass his TCP/IP test?

Anyway, I'm definitely not proud of having that damned cert. It did pay the bills for a while, but that's all it's for.

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awechen · 10-25-2001, 09:30 PM

LOL
M$ fuckers
i running M$ IE 5.0 on solaris ..

the disable his own shitt on the own websides ...
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192.168.0.138 - - [26/Oct/2001:06:20:48 +0200] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2577
"-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; SP1B; SunOS 5.8 sun4u; X11)" local-testbase
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if i go to www.msn.com i get a blue side.
that all ...

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awechen · 10-25-2001, 09:39 PM

GiggleBerries:
i have some cert`s from CISCO, SUN, Oracle and SGI ... was a lot of $$$ for all this training ... but i dont have a better job now .. ok _more_ $$$ and more fun .. but the technical stuff i can solve without this training .....

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GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by winter:
Because so many people use outlook express, they are going to be targetted as the best way to spread viruses. Since so many people are DUMB enough to open attachments, this also makes it the microsoft program an easy target. From your post it looks like you are just pissed because of a few shitty pieces of software microsoft has made which you had problems using. You don't have to worry about viruses anymore on your linux box? WOW, so you actually worried about them before while running windows? What are you, DUMB enough to download email attachments? Until you make a product that is used by 95 million people you can't blame the company who made the product for some bugs it has. If that many people used linux, people still using Mac 0s would be laughing at all the bugs in linux and their software.

And you obviously have NO clue what you're talking about. Know what happens when someone clicks on a VB script in ANY linux mail client? NOTHING!!
And apparently people ARE dumb enough to download strange email attachments. That's why we have so many viruses! Let me show you my error log for today (well, a portion of it anyway).

[Fri Oct 26 00:14:41 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/root.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:41 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/MSADC/root.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:41 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:42 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:42 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:42 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] script not found or unable to stat: /htdocs/web/_vti_bin/..%5c..
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:42 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/_mem_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:42 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/msadc/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c/..Á../..Á../..Á../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:43 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..Á../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:43 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..À¯../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:43 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..Á?../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:44 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:14:44 2001] [error] [client 66.68.137.173] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:37 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/root.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:37 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/MSADC/root.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:37 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:37 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:37 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:38 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] script not found or unable to stat: /htdocs/web/_vti_bin/..%5c..
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:38 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/_mem_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:38 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/msadc/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c/..Á../..Á../..Á../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:38 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..Á../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:39 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..À¯../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:39 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..Á?../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:40 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Fri Oct 26 00:16:40 2001] [error] [client 66.121.159.245] File does not exist: /htdocs/user/giggleberries.com/scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe

Care to guess what those are? Ever heard of a little virus that affects ONLY MS IIS called Code Red (or one of its variations). Wanna guess why I am not affected? *.nix IS the most used web server OS in the world and there aren't many (if any) serious viruses that affect *nix servers. They all affect MS SERVERS....NOT the #1 web server OS in the world!

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GiggleBerries · 10-25-2001, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by awechen:
GiggleBerries:
i have some cert`s from CISCO, SUN, Oracle and SGI ... was a lot of $$$ for all this training ... but i dont have a better job now .. ok _more_ $$$ and more fun .. but the technical stuff i can solve without this training .....

Yep, me too. Hard to get a better paying job without that piece of paper that says you passed the tests! Hated the work, but the money was cool. Hardly worth all the office politics you have to put up with though.

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awechen · 10-25-2001, 09:49 PM

hehe jo,

i think the best way is run a virus scanner
direct on the MTA ... and kill all this fucking mail's ... but a better way is still dont open a html mail or mail with attached files ... or use a 'attach-mail' only address ...

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awechen · 10-25-2001, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GiggleBerries:
Yep, me too. Hard to get a better paying job without that piece of paper that says you passed the tests! Hated the work, but the money was cool. Hardly worth all the office politics you have to put up with though.

STRONG ACK !

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JakeR · 10-25-2001, 10:17 PM

giggleberries = male or felmale?

Ludedude · 10-26-2001, 01:26 PM

http://www.computerworld.com/storyba...O65091,00.html

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10-25-2001, 03:09 PM	#1
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	What the fuck is this shit ? http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/2001...rowsers_1.html I actually tried it with Mozilla and it really gives an error. Fuck Microsoft.

10-25-2001, 03:26 PM	#2
winter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 570	"detected that the browser that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly" Exactly, all non-IE browsers make websites look like shit, thus not rendering the page correctly. Good for microsoft.

10-25-2001, 03:27 PM	#4
tenletters Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: the deep south Posts: 2,079	It's their site... why should it matter what they want to do there? I don't want Chinese traffic on my site and I should be able to redirect them.

10-25-2001, 03:50 PM	#6
Instant Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 308	and those reasons are..

10-25-2001, 05:06 PM	#9
rickrod Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Davie, Florida Posts: 16	I think that I agree with Giggleberries. Not to his extreme, because everything Microsoft has done is not negative. But non the less, they do make shitty products.

10-25-2001, 05:06 PM	#10
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	Netscape 6 works totally fine here

10-25-2001, 05:12 PM	#12
GiggleBerries Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The pay phone outside the 7-11 Posts: 357	Are you an AOL user Barry? Know what a nice .vbs will do to your machine? What's your email address and I'll show you real quick! And you aren't running an antivirus on a MS server? That is one of the most foolish statements I have ever heard. And I'll bet you already have a virus (after all, if you don't have an AV program, how will you know). ------------------ Dot Matrix TGP System GiggleBerries.com TGP

10-25-2001, 05:22 PM	#16
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	linux is cool, but can never be a susbtitute for windows, especially win2k... i can leave win2k on for 10 days without rebooting and it doesnt even crash. and guess what? i cant do the same thing with linux. win2k is so much more comfortable, user friendly and powerfull. it is ideal for a PC user. on the other hand, nix is definitely the best OS for web servers. i like developing programs on nix. it is less destracting (because my icq, aim, outlook express and browser are not open at the same time ) . it is definitely a programmers choice, but i just love using win2k as my PC OS. microsoft has done a lot so far, they do their business incredibly well and became a world standard. that is the reason why most people hate them, and hate Bill Gates. He looks stupid, especially his CEO Paul Ballmer is the biggest moron on earth. But they do their job at the best level, and i respect that they would do anything to stay as a world standard and continue their success. if someone has the balls to produce better products, people will not hesitate to use them. its how microsoft started in this business anyways. they did something that other couldnt do. having some respect would be a more mature behaviour than crying and whining.. Lane

10-25-2001, 06:00 PM	#21
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	It wouldn't be hacking if you are given a password. All you'd need to do is open up is network with explorer (add network) and put that info in place and you'd gain access. So I do suggest you change your password because someone will do stupid shit. Cheers

10-25-2001, 06:18 PM	#22
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	The only thing that I would thank M$ for are their products that motivate tens of thousands of opensource programmers to progressivly improve their programs. Knowledge belongs to the people.

10-25-2001, 07:43 PM	#23
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Anyone who's done serious work (ie, enterprise level stuff) with a web based interface knows what pieces of shit most Netscape products are. The team at my last real job was doing applications to train the Chrysler sales forces, and one of the requirements was that it run on NS 4.7 (or 4.6, can't remember which).. You would not BELIEVE how many NS bugs that team found. They pulled out their hair trying to make that software (which worked perfectly on IE4/5 of course) work on Netscape platforms. They ended up doing seperate versions for each browser. Hopefully NS dissapears soon, and I applaud Microsoft for blowing off NS users. As for your complaints about Frontpage.. Uh, so what? Microsoft made a shitty product? In fact, they didn't even make it, they bought it. Frontpage was an acquisition, and I assume they're just building on the old code base still. FP generates crap, but so what? Who uses it? Most MS bashing is just ignorant band-wagon bullshit. I'm sure Linus Torvalds doesn't hate Microsoft, it's only the little people that do. Linus just didn't like their OS, so he made his own. Cheers, Backov ------------------ AVSBlitz - Build AVS Sites Faster and Better

10-25-2001, 08:19 PM	#24
GiggleBerries Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The pay phone outside the 7-11 Posts: 357	Actually, I'm an MCSE and have been for a few years. I think I know a superior OS when I see one. I will say that Linux is NOT for amateur users. If you're looking for ease of operation, stick with MS. If you want power and security, *nix is for you. The average end user IS better off with Windows. Advanced users will be more productive and happier with Linux. ------------------ Dot Matrix TGP System GiggleBerries.com TGP

10-25-2001, 09:29 PM	#28
GiggleBerries Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The pay phone outside the 7-11 Posts: 357	awechen = Someone who couldn't pass his TCP/IP test? Anyway, I'm definitely not proud of having that damned cert. It did pay the bills for a while, but that's all it's for. ------------------ Dot Matrix TGP System GiggleBerries.com TGP

10-25-2001, 09:30 PM	#29
awechen Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: LA Posts: 162	LOL M$ fuckers i running M$ IE 5.0 on solaris .. the disable his own shitt on the own websides ... -- 192.168.0.138 - - [26/Oct/2001:06:20:48 +0200] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2577 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; SP1B; SunOS 5.8 sun4u; X11)" local-testbase -- if i go to www.msn.com i get a blue side. that all ... ------------------ "Shock your systemadministration! Read manual-pages!"

10-25-2001, 09:39 PM	#30
awechen Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: LA Posts: 162	GiggleBerries: i have some cert`s from CISCO, SUN, Oracle and SGI ... was a lot of $$$ for all this training ... but i dont have a better job now .. ok _more_ $$$ and more fun .. but the technical stuff i can solve without this training ..... ------------------ "Shock your systemadministration! Read manual-pages!"

10-25-2001, 09:49 PM	#33
awechen Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: LA Posts: 162	hehe jo, i think the best way is run a virus scanner direct on the MTA ... and kill all this fucking mail's ... but a better way is still dont open a html mail or mail with attached files ... or use a 'attach-mail' only address ... ------------------ "Shock your systemadministration! Read manual-pages!"

10-25-2001, 10:17 PM	#35
JakeR Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: il and nc Posts: 1,760	giggleberries = male or felmale?

10-26-2001, 01:26 PM	#36
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	http://www.computerworld.com/storyba...O65091,00.html ------------------ Make BANK with these Babes! The Webmaster's Folder The Midnight TGP2 Submitter