Pete Dogg

Ok I did some research.
I installed Opera.
They have a feature (File, Preferences, Windows) which deactivates a sites ability to open new windows.

This means. No window.open, no targeting of new windows and even if you right click a link and say open in a new window it still opens in the same window.

This feature is too broad, if it were more specific then users might flock to opera to get away from Pop Up Hell. But this feature is very immature and might be good a few versions from now. You can however disable automatic redirection. Which is probably meta refreshes and javascript redirections.

There is however a very frightning feature available. You can disable Referrer Logging.
MEANING SITES CAN'T TELL WHO REFERRED YOU.
REFERRAL TRACKING IS THE BASIS FOR MOST FREE SITE LINK TRADES.


Ok this post is not in order. Back to the disabling of new windows from opening.
If someone disables your sites ability to open new windows and you have an entry console. They will just see the entry console.


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Rose

"Granted, consoles make sales. Someone here said 30% of his sales came from consoles. That means they do make money. But think one step further. What would create a more satisfied customer? One that signed up out of frustration or one that signed up 'cause he liked the site"
Hun
My opinion on the above ,maybe from
frustration, maybe that's why Top Lists
and CJ sites convert good, because they have NO content.Surfer looking for porn gets frustrated cause there is none so he pull
CC and get all he wants without consoles
on the pay site

HQ

Pete Dogg,

I think Opera has it wrong. if you click a link, the ability to have it open in a new window should remain. i actually wish more SEs would open new windows. i suppose no new windows what-so-ever would work as long as back-button manipulation was also disabled... but this hinders my ability to send out 2 hits from my site with the same surfer.

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wolfshade

OK, let's put in my 2 cents a minute

1) On a AVS site or paysite I think it's wise to go easy on the pop ups. After all with those type of sites you want members and the only way to get em is if they like to come back. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think many surfers would like to come back to pop up hell

2) CJ and free sites are a whole different cup of tea, those type of sites don't go for the "bookmarkers" they go for the fresh meat and squeeze as much out of them as they can.

There's no good or bad in those two types IMHO just a different strategy for a different type of site.

What am I saying with all this?

My point is that when sponsors start using pop up hell it's bad very bad, because most surfers will hate that sponsor so getting members will be harder and harder untill that sponsor goes belly up.

How I think it should work?

I think free sites should blast all the consoles they like, as long as they are their consoles and not from a sponsor. IMHO this will have the oposite effect that the Hun predicts because if anything, it tells the surfer the only good online porn experience is with a paysite, which should make people click banners even more

Consoles are great means for webmasters if used correctly

On my regular sites you will find a lot of happy surfers(no pop ups there) but on my CJ site whoa! watch them consoles as they make the $$$ on there

TGP's

The Hun has pretty special traffic, compared to other TGP's. He's the only TGP owner I submit to with clean pop up free pages. On all other TGP's I send the traffic to a second page with enter and exit pop up, and this for only one reason: 95% of surfers coming from TGP's are experienced surfers that come for the free porn and nothing but the free porn.

It's not a matter of quality like The Hun says that type of surfer will NEVER sign up for anything, and therefor that type of traffic is only suitable to slap around from CJ to CJ site.

Please keep in mind that I would never do this with traffic comming from search engines, linksites or resources like that, but with TGP traffic you bet I will slap them around.

My 2 cents

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aprilkorova

nicely put wolfshade.

VIP

Some numbers of last year:

I did a trial in May 2000 with only 3 sponsors in my banner rotation program.
Did my own hosting burning 648 Gig.

I took the stats from May last year to show what renewals can do for your business...

Posting 1 gallery every day and this is what came out:


Sponsor 1, CCbill acc.# 38343: No pop-ups,
13911 unique clicks sent
$27 per sign-up
136 sign-ups, 4 charge-backs, I made $3564,-

Sponsor 2, Payserve acc.# 23162: No pop-ups, $12,50 per sign-up
46765 unique clicks sent
54 sign-ups, no charge-backs, $12,50 for every renewal
I made more out of that one
Still 11 of those sign-ups active!

Sponsor 3, ARS acc.#75187 : Using pop-ups,
21613 unique clicks sent
$35 per sign-up
19 sign-ups, of which 2 from the consoles

Same number of impressions per banner and per sponsor, only using 2 rotating banner spots in the gallery. A different layout every 3 days, pictures matched content of sponsors!
I used 5 different banners per sponsor.

Pop-ups did not realy work for me...and even the highest pay-out did not do any good too!

Humbolt

12clicks wrote:
lightning, this is the same old story now 3 years old. too much content vs too much advertising.
We should all learn where our own happy medium is.

Unbeleivable....
I thought I would never hear anything sensible come from him..

As far as the popups..
I beleive in showing the surfer a certain amount of credit for being smart ...

You think these ppl actually buy memberships to programs that cram tons of windows down thier throats?
You may get a few..but after 5 years..I have learned that they want a good quality reliable site that treats them with some sort of respect..

If they like what they see..and are looking for a program to signup with..then they do just that..but you can have the best content in the world...and lose a membership by pissing them off with too much advertising.

I post some of my own galleries on Library of thumbs..and you know what?
My best signups come from galleries with 10
pics and ONE banner ....Nothing else on the page...
The banner is "on topic" & goes to a program that easily allows them to return if not interested..
They may not buy this time..but will remember
it when they are ready to buy...

ok..thats my nickels worth



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magnatique

Humbold, I'll have to agree with you it's the first time I see 12clicks say something I'll agree with LOL..


I think nobody can be right or wrong on the subject.... cuz everybody is right if it works for them..

See, I think we DO need Shitty Console Hell sites, we Need Clean Tgps, and we Need Paysites... Free is definately good..


My idea of the perfect equilibrium is this..


you have Joe Surfer, goes arround, comes arround... needs porn. He finds a site named "IhaveFreePics.com" , which, unfortunately, is a Cj site that moves him arround.

The guy gets pissed, but finally comes down to a Clean Tgp, say TheHun, or LibraryofThumbs.

Well, They will surely bookmark those sites to keep on getting free stuff... that's cycle one.

In that cycle, you get the Cj sites benefitting from moving the people arround and beeing paid per exit consoles, and the likes... they're doing Good $$$...

Now, the tgps will see them as bad ethically... but they DO good as I explained earlier...


Now, then we have that Joe surfer that's been looking arround hun's listings, or Humb's listing... he's starting to get tired of the Same 'ol small Pics... OR he finally gets turned on SOOOOO much by one preview that he joins the paysite. Now, he's an happy member, and will stay there a few months.... and will eventually come back to hun's site, and buy again, cuz he trusts him...

cycle #2. Some people will say those established tgps give too much free stuff, that they kill ratios, nobody joins anymore, etc...

but once again, it's all about the perspective...

When I started in this biz, the guy that gave me room on his server in exchange of a banner taught me to always please the surfer. that it was key #1...

I followed that, been HIGHLY successfull up to the point I forgot about that, and started putting consoles up...

at first, when nobody had consoles (was seen as cheating) I did well without em.... then, I put up a console, did better, then it slowly went down..

from 1/100 wit my console, it went to 1/2000...

Then I learned what is now the way I look at this biz..

there are concentric circles of activities.

Crap sites, Good Sites, PaySites...

Never mix one with another... techniques wise...

consoles are good, for some type of sites..

for others, they're not... but in the end, we all have to find ourselves a WAY to please our surfer..

whether it's the CJ site that will please the guy by a way out to a clean site, or a tgp that will give a way to a good paysite, or a paysite with daily updates... you have to please 'em to different degrees..

mag

magnatique

On the Free previews being bad..


This week-end, smeone I know asked me what was the deal with the free preview on the net..

he said that it was all crap, that they never showed what was INSIDE the paysite, but only Talked about it.

THe guy was pissed...


Wouldn't you think that if that guy was showed MORE than what was showed now, he might have joined more easily?


the way I work when I make my galleries is this .... I tell myself

You gotta make the guy horny, but not too much for him to loose interest (I.e him cleaning the mess he just made with his "motion" )

how would you make someone horny enough to buy with text only, and no pictures?

sweetjimmy

i can't believe this gay thread is so big already. businesses don't need anyone's opinions or any new policies. everything will be sorted out by the invisible hand of supply and demand. if paysites with popups are so shitty then they won't be able to compete with businesses that do not have pop ups. if comrade hun wants to speed up the demise of these e-businesses all the power too him.

its funny to me that if joe shmo posted a lame thread like this one i guarantee it wouldn't get 110 essay size responses in three days. it's good to see the cult of personality is still alive and well even among porno webmasters.

HEIL HUN!

serious666

an observation more than an opinion

Hi - first post. I've been following the "Great Debate" as a complete newbie - actually "wannabe" since I don't even have a site yet.

Ten minutes ago I clicked on a site that opened 18 pop-ups. Actually one of them half-interested me so I tried to click on it. It immediately opened the same 18 windows and so on and so on and so on until my system crashed.

Is there anyone out there who REALLY thinks they are going to make money this way?

serious

paparoach

Just got back from a 4 day trip in PA.
Was'nt expecting this type of post.
I don't worry about pop-ups or ads and shit like that.
Thats becuase I do sites for a hobby like and enjoy it.
If I make .10 cents or $100 makes know difference to me.
I just like doing it. I use a consoles on one free site.
Does'nt really make much of anything.
I like all the people on here and have no problems with anyone.
I do understand most of you rely on the porn business to pay your bills.
I bid you all luck.
I hope all this can be resolved with no casualties.
It's good to be back.
Take care fellow webmasters.
Please excuse the typos I'm on my medication.

Techie Media

Damm 12Clicks.. A "lightning Bolt" must have struck the ground near you.. It looks as if we are on the same path together.. Its about time, I'm glad to see it happen
As far as the topic of this thread goes, well it's like you said, most of us have been here and done this about a million times. There is no right or wrong answers in this biz, just many opinions. What works for 1 person does not mean it will work for the next person. This biz is all about trial and error. It's a constant battle (hopefully an Uphill battle).

Mark my words the topic of this thread will surly be brought up again, many times...

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Important topics need to be revisited

magnatique

Amen Lightning

12clicks

lightning, screw you! I'm not here to agree with people.

Pete Dogg

Ok found one.

Hun, I know this is not a gallery you made or would even link to.

But check this out: http://ss4.sexshare.com/~magicianrule/index.htm

This is the kind of porn that some of us are saying make it hard to convert sales.

This is what I was talking about with the free hosting as well, no sane webmasters would pay for the bandwidth of all these pictures. Of couse the free hoster takes the good sites with the bad. This guy doesn't even have ads, if it weren't for the free host ads it would be totally clean of ads.

As a surfer that girl is hot and I'm glad to see all those pics of her.
That's too many for one load, if you know what I mean.

Peace,
Pete Dogg

Humbolt

ROFLMFAO!!
12 clicks....you better stop.

Ppl might get the impression your not so bad after all

12clicks

humbolt, I'm a prick and everyone here knows it.
Don't cloud the issue.

Techie Media

Hey Humbolt Good to see you bro. I think If we don't quit, 12Clicks might go nuts...hahahah
12Clicks, your right, people might start thinking your getting nice, or old, or even
human.....LOL so Let me help get your status back to normal.....Go Fuck Yourself ...hehehe

OK Now to get back to the Original Topic, this question is for Hun,
So is ARS blacklisted on Huns or not???

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Where did Hun go?

magnatique

and Hun, is there a way you could put some kind of thehun.net/blacklist/
or something, so we know what sponsors are, and which aren't.... say other than trying to submit?

kong tgp

hey hun, you have 1,000,000 people a day come to your site because its FREE.

Key word there, FREE. Good quality shit, FREE. FREE, FREE, FREE.

I cant stress that enough, FREE. Take you 1,000,000+ users a day, jerk them around a little, give them NO FREE shit, thats a 1,000,000 people that will now HAVE to PAY for porn.

1,000,0000 x $40/month membership is an extra $40,000,000 a month for the industry.

Now I ask you this: How much are YOU making a month?



Thats my fucking 2 cents.

boneprone

i dont get it?

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kong tgp

I might not have made it clear.

No free shit = surfers have to PAY.

HQ

the hun does the exact opposite of what you say. he doesn't jerk them around and he does give them free shit.



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The Hun

Kong. So now I'm costing the adult industry 40 mil a month? How many of those people would sign up in the first place. I don't get it. One minute I'm being accused of having totally unproductive traffic, the other I'm being accused of holding back 1,000,000 memberships for the adult industry. Sorry, but things don't work that way.

Granted, My traffic does demand a good approach. Quality mainly. With shitty content and quality you won't make sales, easy as that. So in that matter I might make people smart. I am definately competition to those who build an AVS site with some galleries they found on the web. But I'm not even close to competition to the big paysites.

Just look how much trouble Pete Dogg had to find that gallery. Pete, BTW, I must say that I never saw a gallery like that on a free host. And I definately haven't got a gallery like that submitting over the past 8 years. But it took you a couple of days to find it. Ok, you found it in the end, but show 10 more of these in one place, updated every month, with chats and everything. You won't find it. Or it has a very high level of advertising on it. But this is two threads bound together. Getting confusing.

Bottom line is that I'd like to see sponsors pushing more than just one program. One with consoles, another without. It's getting hard finding good honest sponsors, though I'm working on getting something together. It shouldn't be too hard for a sponsor to build a copy of his regular page that doesn't have the console codes. Problem solved. Especially for sponsors who pay per signup.

Lensman, you're a big paysite, and I'm pretty sure you're reading this thread. How would you feel about a program with consoles and one without. Same stats, same payout, just a different HTML-page where traffic is sent to so people won't see consoles?

Pete Dogg

Hun, I wasn't really looking for that page I just came upon it. You are right though, that is an extreme, and it does take time to find porn like that.

Most of the free high quality porn isn't in one spot, I'd have to find other galleries other places. Then somewhere else I might find streaming videos.
But you are right they are not all in one place and that is what a pay site can offer.
Most pay sites don't have pics that are that high quality though

Here's where you can get tons of streaming video: http://www.bestofsex.net/index02.htm
You have to pay to chat. But that's a skill most of us don't have.
Lots of tgps at their site as well.


Here's my example of free porn, done at it's best: http://www.hotsex.com/samples/

That's where I used to get all my free porn. About 20 pics updated once a week. I never signed up cause I didn't have a credit card then. And now I got more porn than I need, but I'll sign up their one day.

Those pics used to look big when I had a 640x480 resolution. Now they are tiny.

Oh, I think $40 Million is an exaggeration.

Peace,
Pete Dogg


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12clicks

he's standing out by his mailbox waiting for his DVD player to arrive.

kong tgp

Hun, I didnt really mean your costing the biz $40 mil a month, but when does the amount of free content offered end? As bw prices go down, whats stopping people from submitting everything for free? Then there is no reason to pay anymore.

And dont take my post as me saying your traffic is not good, I get double the signups per visitor off a listing with you then others. Your defineatly doing something right.

I agree with your no console plan, it might decrease signups a little in the short term, but surfer's are'nt going to click anymore when they learn its a death trap. To the surfer, its like hes being punished for clicking. Hell, I dont even like checking out the tours of paysites before I start promoting them.

Kong

Jer

The guy see free porn at The Hun and signup for paid porn. One time I got 12 stiffycash signups (10 first, 2 second day) with The Hun. He offer porn. We are the sellers. If we are good enought or have a lucky day we will sell good signups, if the gallery isn't well designed or it isn't your luck day you wont have any signups. So The Hun help us to sell memberships offering "free porn".

He's like a free magazine. We send the artciles to him, but with embed ads.

You can't get too much month-to-month advertising with PAID services, but you can with free. If the visitor likes the article, he'll buy something described there.

Jer

magnatique

if it has to become all free, than be it?

take radio, newspapers, etc..

you have it all for free... yet, they're making money out of it... what's wrong with that?

ElvisManson

Hun,

I can't speak for most sponsors...only for myself...I have deals running with other pay sites and free sites where I have removed the exit chain from the site...or limited it to one or two pop ups in the exit chain.

If it is the difference between getting good quality traffic from a WM by us taking off the exit chain, or not getting the traffic at all...it is a bit of a no-brainer.

To get the exit chain removed all someone has to do is ask.

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sweetjimmy

if ars makes money for the webmasters and for themselves who gives a fuck how they do it. there's not a paysite out there who doesn't bounce around their traffic to try to make a residual sale. I don't think blacklisting ars is going to change anything about paysites using consoles. the huns sponsors may not have consoles, but the huns sponsors suck and unless you have 3 million uniques a day (like the hun) your not gonna get someone to sign up for Teen Bosnia. Who in their right mind would trust a Bosnian with their VISA #?

The bottom line is like Elvis says: make money period.

TheAce

Hun
About 1-1/2 to 2 years ago (AceP)I beleve we talked about this. SO HERE GOES:

Webmasters such as myself do not have prepaid click throughs to make our money. We have to use per sign-up or click thrus, etc. That means for us to make money we have to use sponsors that work hard for our traffic. When dealing with TGP traffic this is even more important! Personally I hope ARS and join4free, etc do not change their ways for it would hurt thousands of webmasters to only benifit you.

I mean I don't really care what you do with your site.. after all its your site. However since I'm not a regular TGP poster I can point things out to you honestly and leave out the kiss ASS. In short, when you do this you hurt the people that make your site what it is. Its not the surfers who make your web site what it is, its the webmasters.

-Ace
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sweetjimmy

I don't know what's with these TGP guys, they all seem to be in a battle to give people the most amount of free porn for the least amount of advertising.

First they don't allow ANY pop consoles.

Then they allow only ONE banner per gallery.

And worste of all, they stop allowing freeservers so you have to pay out of your fucking ass for a shitty virtual account on an overloaded web server that charges you 100 dollars extra a month because the hun sent you 12gb of traffic and you only made two signups and you gotta pay those fuckers two bucks a gig.

Your fucking lucky if you find a sponsor that actually converts. The ones that don't convert are a dime a dozen and they waste everyone's time.

My point is we are here to make money. We're not here to give fucking surfers endless free pictures. There are 16 minutes of advertising for every hour of television. But on your page there are 20 pictures of girls for ever 1 piece of advertising.

The Hun: 1:16

Television: 1:3.75

Who do you think knows better what's the right amount of advertising? The Hun or decades of television research?

Ultimately he just makes less money for everyone including himself.

Being a good salesman on the net you have to constantly have the surfer looking at advertising. We're not here to give people free pics. We're here to sell memberships to paysites. How are you going to get signups if you don't allow a decent amount of advertising. Surfer has to have to that advertising in his face ALWAYS.

As long as a site is navigable and quick to load i don't see why it matters how much advertising is there. The advertising is just as dirty as the thumbs.



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Pete Dogg

I agree with sweetjimmy.
Well said man.

The Hun

Indeed SweetJimmy... the first sensible post I heard from you. Good points. And you're right about some things. But not about all. First of all I don't allow just one banner. I do link free hosts. And I do link to a lot of ads. And I do turn over a shitload of money on the web. We're here to make sales, you're right about that. But we're not here to fuck people over.

Marketing should be finding out who your customers are and how to earn money from 'em. It's not about finding out where they are and blantly taking their money. If you read my posts right I'm NOT AGAINST ADVERTISING. I'm against too agressive ways of advertising, that's a whole different story Jimmy...

sasja

Just read this amazing thread, and couldn't help commenting eventhough this is my first post it's pretty long!
I think it's ok to blacklist certain overaggresive sponsors, no prob, but, hun, if you were conseqeunt and really meant it you should stop posting freehosted galleries as should everybody! imo they are causing some paysites to make aggresive ads. not posting them would hopefully bring them out of biz asap! Here is why they should be avoided:
The problem is not the free porn, from mpow you can give away as much as you want, as long as you'd have to pay your bandwithbill
The grand problem is the free hosts. And I don't mean the usual 20 pix tgp-galleries, I can live with that. But the smart poor webmaster makes a megasite with 100's of stolen high quality pics, put a few ct-sponsors and one e-mail proggie on it announce it on a few of those annoying boards we all know bianca, e-groups, trianca and so on. whoops 50.000 hits a day, just like that. Ok, the income might be miserable related to the many visitors, but let's say it's 300 bucks a month. For a student that's a lot of money for doing nothing, and if he get canned, well, wtf, worth the try, sign up another place and here we go again.
Take a look at these scumbag boards and you'll find single sites containing 100's of 150 k pics from ddgirls, amk, earl miller, foxes, matrix and so on. And the problem is not the scumbag boards, the problem is it is soooo easy finding free hosts to serve the stolen pics.
Another example: I saw a post on awi a few months ago, and I don't think it was ironic, the guy was happy, he'd made 9 bucks harvesting e-mails, and had 50.000 visitors to his gallery. He'd posted the link, and I took a look, 50 100 k pics from ounique, probably stolen, and on a free host. Let's say he'd actually have to pay the bandwith for that 5 mb gallery - 10 gigs (that's very low estimated) at 2.50 - 25 bucks, now he would be down 16 bucks and he would use his brain just a little before posting the next time!
One last example related to the hun and free hosts and my own experience: a few months back I got a 5'th placement on the hun and made 25+ sign ups on the gallery (paid host), great, a few weeks later I got a 3'rd placement with the same template and same sponsor, I made 4 sign ups. Ok, fluctuations, date and so on plays a role, but the funny thing was that the guy that had the 2'nd placement had a framed gallery (on a free host of course) with links to 25 other clean galleries, that made a total of 600 hasslefree pics, and those pics were good, and all he did was harvesting e-mails. If he'd have to pay the bandwith for that he'd be down at least 50-100 bucks and would never do it again. But my own theory on the huge difference in my sign ups between those two galleries goes like this: the surfer looks at that 600+ pic gallery, then he opens the next link, mine, wtf, that mean bastard is only giving me 20 compressed pics, outta here, maybe the next link, will take me to another 600 good free pics, why should I sign up to a paysite!

Another huge problem is paysites and contentproviders, that simply does not enough when they face copyright infringements, every webmaster knows that all what happens, when they post stolen pics is an e-mail notification, that tells them to take down the pics immidiatly, and if they do that nothing happens - I've always paid for content myself, and I don't care what others do - but I simply don't get those paysites and contentproviders - going through those boards and some tgp's you can be pretty sure you won't find stolen pics from playboy, als-scan and suze randall, because everybody posting with just two braincells intact know they'll get a heavy lawsuit immidiately if they're discovered. But other than that everyting appearently goes! what has this to do with the freehosts, well, I'm pretty sure 97 % of the stolen pics are on free hosts!

Looking at the free hosts own ads you can see that they get more and more dirty, most take up half the screen for advertising, and their advertisement methods are imo just as bad for the business if not worse than those pop ups and traps, that annoys thehun so much. Links to disguised dialers and socalled free passwords sites is dominating. They don't have the guts to tell the surfer that they have to pay to get inside a quality paysite, or that they are actually downloading a fucking expensive dialer.
So let's get rid of those freehosts, and have paysites and content providers getting more aggresive facing copyright-infringements, and I'm sure there would be no need for paysites to make pop up hells and being overaggresive in advertising, cause every surfer would know that he'd had to pay to get a satisfying amount of good quality porn!

so, hun, be an example and be consequent, stop posting free hosted galleries

ha! I know this is utopia, and not exactly popular, just couldn't help posting it here!

Sasja

Brian

"A warning: read the small print. If you install a program you downloaded, read ALL the small print. Don't just click 'ok' without reading what you're approving of. It might be a dialer program that charges $7.99/min when you use it... Be warned!"

what is that on your front page?

I realize it's your page and you can do as you like. I can understand not listing galleries with dialers, not allowing dialer companies to advertise with you etc.

Yes, I run a dialer company, that is one of my businesses. You are against dialers. That is cool with me as well.

Are you now going to make a list of things that the surfer should stay away from according to the Hun?

Sufers beware:

The list below consists of things I do not like and that you the surfer should stay away from, truly yours, the hun:

Never click on a pop up.
Never use a dialer.
Never believe anything you see until you hear it from me.

Are you going to make a book called "Things to stay away from on the Internet according to the Hun"?

Run your site the way you like, but why inform YOUR surfers about things that don't have anything to do with YOUR pages like the dialer?

Since when did you become the town crier?

Also, you have a pink4free banner in your rotation on your front page and when I click on it, I get a shitload of blind movie images that all link to dialers, then I scroll a bit to find the pink4free content.

You're against them and tell your surfers to stay away from them which I think is wrong, but then you advertise them? I don't get it.


[This message has been edited by Brian (edited 04-19-2001).]

Pete Dogg

Good points sasja.
The one good thing about free hosts however is they allow you a chance to learn without losing a bundle of money.


Here's more free porn:
Example 1: Acceptable free porn http://206.58.131.2/index1.shtml?API...SITEID=dante22
This site teases you, you can chat with the girls, but they only do nasty stuff if you pay and when someone pays the image gets so small no one could get off.

Example 2: Bad for the biz. http://movies.amsterdamlivexxx.com/index.cfm?movies
If you can't blow your load to this, then you have a problem. There is so much free streaming porn here. And paysites generally do not offer higher quality feeds then the ones you see here.


Peace,
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sasja

[The one good thing about free hosts however is they allow you a chance to learn without losing a bundle of money.

yeah, I did my first galleries on free hosts too (double moral, maybe) and as I said I don't mind those 20 pix galleries on tgp's, it's the heavy 100-1000 pics sites (with noncompressed 100-200 k pics) that pisses me off, and there's a freakin' lot of em outthere, and with search engines putting more and more relevancy on link popularity, and since those sites are heavyli linked to, they are sooooo easy to find even for a newbie! Just try a few popular searches and you'll see those sites pop up on page 2 or 3!!
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sweetjimmy

Hun you are too damn polite, you and wolfshade. I guess it must be all the milkmaids and windmills and shit you got over there. I'm gonna stop razzing you from now on. I just do it to bother the brown nosers more than to bother you.

It's true you do have the Amsterdam of the internet, and it is YOUR webpage. It's true. That's why you shouldn't tell webmasters what to do with THEIR webpage. They're in a tight spot trying to pay bandwidth bills and don't need to have their best sponsors blacklisted. ARS uses just as many pop ups as Amateur Pages and you us e amateur pages yourself.


As for free hosts with 1000's of pics they are usually slow as fuck because the server can't handle the downloads. I don't think they're real competition. Remember time is equivalent to money.

sweetjimmy

ARS has so many niches its a good sponsor.

boneprone

it is? Ill give em a try.

Lord Assmore

I joined Ars a week ago. So far the conversion ratios suck!

The Hun

ARS has pretty much all niches, they're a great sponsor... We're getting to a compromise I'm sure...

Amateurpages doesn't have an andress loop of exit-consoles BTW. They do have more than one, but there's a difference in fighting something I don't like and just being a stubborn ass...

Brian... just pointing out to READ THE DISCLAIMER. I head all people that are in favor of dialers that it says in the disclaimer what it costs. So from that point of view no dialer company should have any problem with me pointing out what they already claim to point out to people so clearly. I encourage people to sign up for sites. I always have been endorsing the quality of most paysites. But I don't endorse not encourage people to let themselves be ripped off

sweetjimmy

Ars might suck for mainstream surfers but if you for the odd gay surfer or surfer who's into freaky shit I think they're good. I wouldn't use them for anything mainstream though.

sweetjimmy

i still haven't been cut throat enough to use dialers on my site. I know dialers are a complete ripoff and not just a dissappointment like some paysites.

Pete Dogg

Ok just realized that you probably couldn't see the second example on my last post.

So go to this page: http://www.viper-x.com/livefeed.htm
And Click on Live 4.


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