Humbold, I'll have to agree with you
it's the first time I see 12clicks say something I'll agree with LOL..
I think nobody can be right or wrong on the subject.... cuz everybody is right if it works for them..
See, I think we DO need Shitty Console Hell sites, we Need Clean Tgps, and we Need Paysites... Free is definately good..
My idea of the perfect equilibrium is this..
you have Joe Surfer, goes arround, comes arround... needs porn. He finds a site named "IhaveFreePics.com" , which, unfortunately, is a Cj site that moves him arround.
The guy gets pissed, but finally comes down to a Clean Tgp, say TheHun, or LibraryofThumbs.
Well, They will surely bookmark those sites to keep on getting free stuff... that's cycle one.
In that cycle, you get the Cj sites benefitting from moving the people arround and beeing paid per exit consoles, and the likes... they're doing Good $$$...
Now, the tgps will see them as bad ethically... but they DO good as I explained earlier...
Now, then we have that Joe surfer that's been looking arround hun's listings, or Humb's listing... he's starting to get tired of the Same 'ol small Pics... OR he finally gets turned on SOOOOO much by one preview that he joins the paysite. Now, he's an happy member, and will stay there a few months.... and will eventually come back to hun's site, and buy again, cuz he trusts him...
cycle #2. Some people will say those established tgps give too much free stuff, that they kill ratios, nobody joins anymore, etc...
but once again, it's all about the perspective...
When I started in this biz, the guy that gave me room on his server in exchange of a banner taught me to always please the surfer. that it was key #1...
I followed that, been HIGHLY successfull up to the point I forgot about that, and started putting consoles up...
at first, when nobody had consoles (was seen as cheating) I did well without em.... then, I put up a console, did better, then it slowly went down..
from 1/100 wit my console, it went to 1/2000...
Then I learned what is now the way I look at this biz..
there are concentric circles of activities.
Crap sites, Good Sites, PaySites...
Never mix one with another... techniques wise...
consoles are good, for some type of sites..
for others, they're not... but in the end, we all have to find ourselves a WAY to please our surfer..
whether it's the CJ site that will please the guy by a way out to a clean site, or a tgp that will give a way to a good paysite, or a paysite with daily updates... you have to please 'em to different degrees..
mag