The irony of the tag line Gary's got right now is just too much for me.

So now you've told me (conversioncash.com & others that i don't let out of the bag ;-), toolz(adultrevenueservice.com), kk (ccbill.com... and yes.. ccbucks ;-)), diamondjim (pornmegabucks.com), wizzo (adult.com) that we don't know what we're talking about with regards to payouts, that members areas will make up for the losses, and that selling your email lists to spammers will help compensate.

We ALL understand these models better than you do, have been doing this for years & are trying to tell you that your model is not going to work.

Sigh... but now young grasshopper I wish you the best. If you can pull it off I'll be the first to congratulate you... if you can't, i'll be the first to say "I told you so".

Toolz,

I have been in ARS member section, I see what you guys do, I have been an ARS affiliate since day 1, I was selling Gay Ultra years ago.

If you are trying to tell me that you guys can't make a million on our member section upsells, selling webmaster lists, then I think something is wrong.

You guys have a good program, but look at how TrafficCash does it, when you sign up, you as a surfer are also getting signed up on 2 other paysites at the same time. None of that money goes to the webmasters. Plus no one pays out on their "Wait Mr. Surfer before you cancel, look at this deal, we'll give you passwords to 50 sites at 50% off". I know you make money there, and it's pure profit. With a smaller website it wouldn't be that much, but when you are signing up $1,000,000 worth of people and more each month like ARS or CA or the others, the shear volume says you will make at least an extra $Mill a year from the other programs your paysites will upsell/crossell to.

If you start a program with only 2 months of cash in the bank to support it, you're a moron. Need at least 1 years worth.

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Yea, sell your webmaster list there's a brilliant move...

Can we get the From: on this guys tag line to read Cluelessville please Wizzo?

I'm still trying to understand how your boobs became the subject of this thread ;-)

This Post is entirely to long and it makes my damn head hurt.. but i think i need to start smoking shit like you all do so i can get more creative..

OK ok.

So how can many AVS's payout 100% and give out free passwords then?

How can someplaces have a 100% no trial rebill join and still pay $3.50 to a webmaster?

You'll have to forgive me, I am new to this board, and I don't know who you people work for, what you did in the past etc..

I just started this topic because it's obvious alot of the old payout modela are stale, I am sick of them as a affiliate webmaster, I want something new and exciting and IF I ever did start a program..IF... then this is what I would want.

If you don't think it is possible, Imagine 4 years ago a sponser program saying they were going to pay $35 - $45 per signup including trials, enter and exit consoles signups. Or 75% recurring programs. They would get met with the same naysayers. But someone did it later, and made money. That's all I'm saying. Don't think it's impossible. It isn't.

Can I have my DVD player, and a peek at Kimmykim's boobS now? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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They are the only part of it that makes sense?

Remember you doubting Thomases...we're not just talking program possibilities here...we're talking MILLIONS of dollars (each) we're all losing by not selling our member lists, cross-selling sites on signup, etc...

M I L L I O N S ! ! ! ! How many zero's was that again?

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BOY askin for $40 per trial and 50%???? WOW!!!! You know what buddy you should send traffic to Sexhit...... I hear they run a TIIIGGHHTT SHIP!!!! and they pay an HONEST $70 per Trial.....

Can I have some nachos?

damn, who let you post in here?

Uh oh... somebody get the thorazine.. quick!

I like the idea of actually decreasing payouts.

Name another industry where the sales reps get to keep 70% of the income they generate?

In the real world , 12-15% commissions are considered to be high.

Diamond Jim -

Please don't make fun.. Of course your not going to make millions just selling webmaster lists. Are you saying you can't make some $ from a monthly newsletter to your webmasters.

Something like this will happen, probably one of you guys will do it, just takes some ideas from someone other than the usual bunch that will come up with it.

So you guys really think th eplayfield will look the same in 2 years, 5 years from now?

About SexHit Wiseman.. what do you mean? I had some problems which were resolved with them recently.

Sure, decrease your payouts and see what happens LOL!



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THAT is about as profound a thought as you're likely to ever see.
I love it. Amp, you are on your game to-day.

Gloom -- why not just DO it? Create the site and program, get it going, and just DO it. why waist time playing board hockey here? Convince by doing, not by talking.

What? Who am I? I'm the dude that maybe might possibly could be one of the people promoting your new program. But I think I'll hold of til month 4 before I join http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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I'm sure not many webmasters will want to signup a program without privacy policy (that sells his name, home/business address, phone, email, URL and other info).

I'm also sure if you make this program and pays upfront (cash), lots of webmasters that posted here will promote you heavily.

: wake up, wake up, wake up Jer ! :

So you guys really think the playfield will look the same in 2 years, 5 years from now?


No, it will be vasty different...mostly with affiliates making far less. Ask affiliates if their income on the same traffic is rising, despite constant (alleged) increases in payouts from sponsor programs. It isn't.

Don't really mean to make fun of ya, d00d...but the fact is, you are seriously in the dark.




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General overall affiliates money is going down because there are 100X more affiliates now than 4 years ago. The sponser program have multiplied 100X as well. So now you got 100X more people trying to sell a password, and surfers that expect a member site to reach out and give them a handjob every month.

As far as webmasters and the privacy policy thing, I know that is you tell them one way we can offer this program is becuase we will be selling your email address to anyone with a nickel, and if they don't want that to happen, they can signup on our other default $40 flat signup program instead.

Even If I decide to do this, it'll take months to put it together, and by then I'm sure someone else will have one already. Do you really think I thought of this all by myself?

If you listen closely, you can hear things already being built .

I'm ripping off your idea now.
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$35 PLUS 50% Recurring

12- 15% CHRIST HOOPER THE SHIT THAT COMES OUTA YOUR MOUTH SOMETIMES...I SWEAR!!!!! If you run a good opperation you can prove to your webmaster what his traffic is worth after a short amount of time....After that you show him what it is worth and then you tell him that is what you are gonna pay him...If he wants it he wants it... If he don't send him on his way...There is plenty more where he came from....FUCKIN 12-15% WHAT YOU BEEN SMOKEIN THAT CRACK AGAIN? OH AND IF ANYONE IS WONDERING???? EVEN WITH THE 40% SHAVE I STILL DO PRETTY DARN GOOD WITH OLE HOOPER

I'm turning off your account now because my feelings are hurt ;-)))

It's one thing to talk about my program... but you just don't talk about a man's momma... that just aint right!

The only thing I shave is my balls!

OHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! SO THAT IS WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS ITCHEN THEM HUH?????? I thaught it was somethin else....

I forgot the lesson my pappy told me...

"Don't try and teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."


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KimmyKim

Not all figures in business are 2+2=4 some are 2+2=2+tomorrow.

$50+50%

Promotions such as this are often based on targeted and historical figures and even run loss at the pay door. The long term ?knock on? effect of such a promotion is of course where the clever calculations of risk and outlay come into play. This risk and ability to judge the future is the difference between those that do and those that don?t.

Businesses spend millions each year on what appear to be crazy promotions. If you don?t understand this concept then its best to stay with the real time ?in out? balance sheet.


Gleem

If you have lots of pre-tax profit and a solid set of performance figures then go for it, otherwise play safe and stick with what works for most.

Your request was no so dumb.


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Here we go with the M I L L I O N S again...where's Hanco when you need them?

The request for the program isn't stupid. Unfortunately, reality intervenes...

taken down at the request of the recipient.

need i say more ;-))

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WOW!!!!!! I dint know your girls showed you that picture.. Can we still be friends Hoop??? She told me she burned it man... I'm sorry.. I was drunk.... I dint know she was your girl at the time....UHHHH OK FUCK IT!!!!! I KNEW IT THE WHOLE FUCKIN TIME!!!!!

whats a ponser? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

hooper WTF is that?

please take down that pic,,
shit i almost went blind

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Oh my god.. I haven't thought of them in a long time... did they last for like 4 days or something???

I remember all those fabio lookin guys in the suits at the convention... spinning booth.. booze... but not one person there had any idea what their program was about!

Wasted money... wish i woulda got something out of em first ;-)))

IMHO,,the way the industry is going
the per sign up model will die off,,
with in the year i could see 90% of sponsers will just do partnerships

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who's Hanco, musta missed that convention?

I step away for a half hour and I miss the pic too. Figures.

Anyways, so you all Poo Pood my idea. I may still do it anyways, but I think I will also launch a 100% recurring program at the same time and see which does better.

I payout 100% of the signup and each rebill, and I keep all the upsells and other goodies. Surely the upsells can pay for hosting and content costs, couldn't they?

If you don't think that will work I would like to see you guys come up with something better.

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T'aint upsells that makes the money...
http://www.club100.com/


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hahahahahahahaha

yah, but look at the sites they are selling... not real impressive. And their memberships is only $19, that sux.

Mine would be a $39 program at 100% recurring or $40 a signup and 50% recurring.

Anyone try those Listerine strips yet? They fuckin' rock.

By the way, me dad just sent me this, thought you guys would like it:

Bin Bombed


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I'm curious as to why not $49.95 a month 100% recurring or $50 a signup and 75% recurring since the numbers come from the same place....thin air.

I was trying to be conservative, that's all. I have no problem selling memberships at $39 a month, anything more than that my ratios drop like a stone.

As far as 50% goes, I was pulling it out of my ass cause it sounded good, but 75% may work too. This is the part I am not sure about, what % recur to give away.

Wouldn't you operate at a loss for a year to gain 10,000 webmasters? And if the program still wan't turning a profit, you could always phase it into something different?

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Not when I can operate at a profit and STILL gain 10,000 webmasters...

But to each their own...

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