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Old 12-29-2004, 02:16 PM   #51
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50 dumb ignorants haters !

You guys are so fucking stupid...

The USA has only sent 100,00.00 to each Indonesia, Thailand, and 2 other countries , for a TOTAL OF 400,.000.00 !!!!

The big 35 millions are a pledge, not gone yet, not paid yet....

In fact Japan ( understandably) is doing nore followed by Australia and Saudia Arabia...

Now go back to eat a freedom frie....

Unedicated and uninformed americans ... LOL .
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that was what i meant in my first post
Nada problem! :-)

Some reality causes a state of denial sometimes :-)
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Foriegn aid last year

7. France $104.68 per person
20. United States $23.76 per person

get a fucking clue please
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Measured another way, as a percentage of gross national product, the OECD's figures on development aid show that as of April, none of the world's richest countries donated even 1 percent of its gross national product. Norway was highest, at 0.92 percent; the United States was last, at 0.14 percent.

Such figures were what prompted Jan Egeland -- the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator and former head of the Norwegian Red Cross -- to challenge the giving of rich nations.

"We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really.... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become."

Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint wasn't directed at any nation in particular.

But Secretary of State Colin Powell clearly took umbrage while making the rounds of the morning television news shows. He said he wished Egeland hadn't made the comment and reaffirmed that the Bush administration will follow up with assistance that could stretch into the billions of dollars.

The White House also defended the U.S. record of giving.

"We outmatch the contributions of other nations combined; we'll continue to do so," Bush spokesman Trent Duffy told reporters in Crawford, Texas, where the president is spending a post-Christmas vacation at his ranch.

Natsios said the Paris organization's figures overlook a key factor -- the billions more Americans give each year in private donations.

Americans last year gave an estimated $241 billion to charitable causes -- domestic and foreign -- according to a study by Giving USA Foundation. That's up from $234 billion in 2002. The foundation did not break down how much was for domestic causes and how much for foreign.

"That's a European standard, this percentage that's used," Natsios said. "The United States, for 40 years, has never accepted these standards that it should be based on the gross national product. We base it on the actual dollars that we spent."

"The reason is that our gross national product is so enormous. And our growth rates are so much higher than the other wealthy nations."
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Vive la Révolution !!!
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Yea yea King.

The world has it one way of assessing values, but the US has to come up with another deviant way of expressing the same thing to ensure they come out on top.

Hell... even within the OECD the US accepts the figures "as is" without deviation, but has to paint another picture outside for the benefit of "my dick is better". Others just smile....
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exactly more propaganda for the stupid masses
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Old 12-29-2004, 02:24 PM   #59
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Yea yea King.

The world has it one way of assessing values, but the US has to come up with another deviant way of expressing the same thing to ensure they come out on top.

Hell... even within the OECD the US accepts the figures "as is" without deviation, but has to paint another picture outside for the benefit of "my dick is better". Others just smile....
Bottom line fact...1% of $1,000,000 is more money than 5%of $100,000 and since the US has...by far the largest GNP on the earth...simple math works out well. Per Capita means shit when it comes to total dollars...now doesn't it?
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Don't ya just love the French JT?? :-)

They have culture, decent wine (the real stuff) and live in the real world and show social responsibility to all :-)

When ya want to move there??

The downside is they have common sense and that gets them some enemies :-)
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No its doesnt, becuase there are 100 people over in one place that give more than 100 people in another place. Combining European countries to get the same population would meen we would give more by far.

You have alot. You give very little
Others have very little. They give alot.
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Facts are the bottom line. They are published everywhere and have not been in dispute by anyone - including the US.

Some call that accounting standards.
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No its doesnt, becuase there are 100 people over in one place that give more than 100 people in another place. Combining European countries to get the same population would meen we would give more by far.

You have alot. You give very little
Others have very little. They give alot.
"alot"...does not compare to actual total dollars given my the USA. Did you not read that the USA gives more than the other Nations combined...or do you just refuse to believe it.
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"alot"...does not compare to actual total dollars given my the USA. Did you not read that the USA gives more than the other Nations combined...or do you just refuse to believe it.
the whole world has one way of measuring. The US, Fox news and Bush have another

I guess it depends whos version you believe :food-smil
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Don't ya just love the French JT?? :-)

They have culture, decent wine (the real stuff) and live in the real world and show social responsibility to all :-)

When ya want to move there??

The downside is they have common sense and that gets them some enemies :-)
That is assuming that one does not mind the smell. Maybe the US should contribute some soap to France and several other European countries.
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Gotta say dude, that did make me laugh for real. Ive had a few drinks and that hit the spot
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7. France $104.68 per person
20. United States $23.76 per person

get a fucking clue please
Using your donations per person numbers and Yahoo's world fact book
it seems the US still donates more.. However I think this method is flawed and I don't think it shows an accurate amount but assuming your numbers are correct it should be close..

United States $23.76 x 275,562,673 (est population) = $6,547,369,110.48

France $104.76 x 59,329,691 (est population) = $6,215,378,429.16

3. Denmark $302.72 x 5,336,394 (est population) = $1,615,433,191.68
2. Norway $307.95 x 4,481,162 (est population) = $1,379,973,837.90
1. Luxembourg $352.30 x 437,389 (est population) = $154,092,144.70
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I guess it depends whos version you believe :food-smil
I beleive in the count...when one contributes 1% of $1,000,000...the count is easy...it is more than 5% of $100,000. So the USA gives less per capita but the dollar count is still higher than the other nations combined. So who would you want to recieve aid from the USA or the other nations.
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Not even ourselfes
I know... I'm from there!! :-)

Can you see anyone from the UK (or any other nation) standing up and uttering such a load of uninformed bullshit mouth and "my-dick-is-bigger" than what you see from the US?

You notice the defensive manner in any topic? I can't see me jumping to the defence of eg the UK if they conducted themselves like this :-) They'd be getting blasted to fuck!! :-) Must be the "American disease" - the stuff that makes em utter shit like "US hater" and all that crap. Seems there is more "hating" of other nations there than anything I've ever seen.

I just find it embarassing and wish to fuck they were actually aware of reality. Tho can't say the US folks I have working here are anywhere like that - they got more sense than the idiot element of GFY.
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Did you not read that the USA gives more than the other Nations combined...or do you just refuse to believe it.
Pigshit according to your president:

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Bush noted that the United States provided $2.4 billion "in food, in cash, in humanitarian relief to cover the disasters for last year. ... That's 40 percent of all the relief aid given in the world last year."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT....ap/index.html
But you could still be right ... since this Bush is know tro be a liar or fact changer...LOL !!!!
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That is assuming that one does not mind the smell. Maybe the US should contribute some soap to France and several other European countries.
See what I mean by hating?? :-)

They end up with loads of percieved enemies under their beds :-)

What's worse is even the French don't give a fuck and wonder!
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Pigshit according to your president:



But you could still be right ... since this Bush is know tro be a liar or fact changer...LOL !!!!
Your quote just covers one area of aid provided by the USA and that provided by the government...which does not include private aid.

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The United States uses the most common measure of the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of 30 rich nations that counts development aid.

By that measure, the United States spent almost $15.8 billion for "official development assistance" to developing countries in 2003. Next closest was Japan, at $8.9 billion.

That doesn't include billions more the United States spends in other areas such as AIDS and HIV programs and other U.N. assistance.
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France was the first country to have a team on the ground...they began making fresh water for people immediately.

That will probably save alot of lives.
so? They need money also. Just cause they made water does not mean they should be stingy finanacially
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See what I mean by hating?? :-)

They end up with loads of percieved enemies under their beds :-)

What's worse is even the French don't give a fuck and wonder!
I do not like smelly people...my freedom of choice...being excercised.
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This is an extremely trivial debate. People are dead and dying and I believe that most of the countries of the world understand that and will give what they can.

Webby, in response to your comment about Americans being defensive. I agree with you. Americans come off as defensive sometimes. I believe it?s in reaction to a perceived inability to do enough for the world. Sometimes it feels we?re damned either way. It doesn?t matter what we do we will always be looked at as the bad guys.
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King... what figures do you think are being quoted??? Those of the US Treasury?? The figures quoted ARE those of the OECD G7 countries.

What exactly is disputable about that???

Frankly... I can't be bothered - ya could spend a year in a locked room and still come out with bullshit that suited you, but was divorced from any rational picture all countries know of..
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King... what figures do you think are being quoted??? Those of the US Treasury?? The figures quoted ARE those of the OECD G7 countries.

What exactly is disputable about that???

Frankly... I can't be bothered - ya could spend a year in a locked room and still come out with bullshit that suited you, but was divorced from any rational picture all countries know of..
The figures show that the USA spends more in total dollars in international aid than other nations combined. Unless you simply refuse to believe it...if that is the case then so be it. I for one do not give a fuck about what you choose to believe...or not believe.
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The figures show that the USA spends more in total dollars in international aid than other nations combined.
How about a link to that information. Source .... Not because you repeat it over and over again that it begins to be the thruth.

I posted a link to what Bush said TODAY!!!: 40 % !!!!

Do the same or STFU.
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Webby, in response to your comment about Americans being defensive. I agree with you. Americans come off as defensive sometimes. I believe it?s in reaction to a perceived inability to do enough for the world. Sometimes it feels we?re damned either way. It doesn?t matter what we do we will always be looked at as the bad guys.
Seriously Chichio... I sure don't feel like that about the US or anywhere. Some shit ya may not agree with (same as any country), but I am well-aware of plenty good stuff done by the US or people/orgs there.

I can't say if I am "common" in thinking this, but it does appear there is an enormous sensitivity to anything "nationalistic" - It may just be some kinda different culture or something, but never actually saw this in any US people I've met or work with, - only on GFY :-)

Again... tis only me, but I don't expect any one country to do loads of shit for the world. If anything, I think the days of "countries" have gone - it's people who make a change/difference and it does not matter where they come from.

All this crap about countries giving more to Asia at the moment - it's not real cos nobody knows the extent of the damage. Whenever that is known (and I'm sure it's going to take some time yet!), loads of countries will be helping, - including the US. This may turn out to be the largest disaster in our lifetimes and I can't see anyone turning away. To make this some political point, as in threads, it's just beneath contempt - folks are still dying there and need help urgently.
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How about a link to that information. Source .... Not because you repeat it over and over again that it begins to be the thruth.

I posted a link to what Bush said TODAY!!!: 40 % !!!!

Do the same or STFU.
I already rebutted your statement in a previous post dipshit.

Your quote just covers one area of aid provided by the USA and that provided by the government...which does not include private aid.


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By that measure, the United States spent almost $15.8 billion for "official development assistance" to developing countries in 2003. Next closest was Japan, at $8.9 billion.

That doesn't include billions more the United States spends in other areas such as AIDS and HIV programs and other U.N. assistance.

Same fucking link dipshit. In addition...

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Old 12-29-2004, 03:10 PM   #84
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so? They need money also. Just cause they made water does not mean they should be stingy finanacially
I guess you mised the other vaild comments made in here by some informed sources


quote me again when you have read the entire thread
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Man... have you anything to actually say apart from trying to boast some figures in defense of *something*???

Here are the OECD figures.... sure, they are one year out of date, 2003, but show exactly what is paid by each member state...

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/52/9/1893143.xls

You want to know who the auditors are next?? :-)
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Man... have you anything to actually say apart from trying to boast some figures in defense of *something*???

Here are the OECD figures.... sure, they are one year out of date, 2003, but show exactly what is paid by each member state...

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/52/9/1893143.xls

You want to know who the auditors are next?? :-)
And your point is?
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I already rebutted your statement in a previous post dipshit.
No you didn't... You think you did....

BTW, when you compare things or figures, you use a " common" comparaison tool. This is why the use of the " Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development", and according to that tool , it is 40 %

If you want to add other contributions to the US column, you must do the same for the other countries ... which you obviously don't.

Bush: 40 % ,
Trent Duffy : more than 50%

Who says the thruth ????
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I don't understand what is enough and not enough aid. Why does giving a country's money away have to be a competition between countries. If any money is given it should be thought of as "great." But, this country has only given this and that country has only given that - fucking stupid shit this world has come to.
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I don't understand what is enough and not enough aid. Why does giving a country's money away have to be a competition between countries. If any money is given it should be thought of as "great." But, this country has only given this and that country has only given that - fucking stupid shit this world has come to.
You are right, It isn't a competition ...


But look at the title of this thread and wonder what was the point ... Then it becomes a " how great America is" and " how lousy others are" ....

All that from a bunch of ignorants ...

The same with the other thread stating that " USA gives more than ALL combined other countries "..... Who started that thread? An idiot drunk handicapped american living in a trailer park with his mother and fucking his niece.

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50 dumb ignorants haters !

You guys are so fucking stupid...

The USA has only sent 100,00.00 to each Indonesia, Thailand, and 2 other countries , for a TOTAL OF 400,.000.00 !!!!

The big 35 millions are a pledge, not gone yet, not paid yet....

In fact Japan ( understandably) is doing nore followed by Australia and Saudia Arabia...

Now go back to eat a freedom frie....

Unedicated and uninformed americans ... LOL .


BTW - right or wrong - do you think any country will come close to spending what the US will? OR are you just another US hater looking for a reason to bash America for giving money?
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The figures are the point.

You, for the purposes of your ... hell knows what arguement, are using OECD published figures which illustrate a net giving of .15 GNI which equates with eg... Luxembourg at the top with .81 and Italy, the only country below the US with .17 GNI.

This is nothing else to say.

Do facts cause some problem??
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BTW - right or wrong - do you think any country will come close to spending what the US will? OR are you just another US hater looking for a reason to bash America for giving money?
Now you are playing the numbers ....

In this case, Australia and Japan will be giving near, same or more than the USA, for obvious reasons: that area is their backyard sorta ....

Now, where did I bash america ( I prefer USA, because America includes Mexico and Canada ...) for giving money??? Where did I even say that what the USA gives is not enough.????

I just don't rally under the " flag" to spit on other countries, like some here .... And I don't like false or twisted statment that are here.
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Shit Na!!! :-)

Take that back!! Can't believe the US is at the bottom of that "giving" rate with .15 and even Italy is higher at .17!

In fact, based on GNI, the US is right at the bottom of all OCED member countries.
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The US gives a much smaller % of GDP then most western countries as outright aid to rest of the world. IN terms of hard $ I do believe Japan gives way way more then any other country.
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Now you are playing the numbers ....

In this case, Australia and Japan will be giving near, same or more than the USA, for obvious reasons: that area is their backyard sorta ....

Now, where did I bash america ( I prefer USA, because America includes Mexico and Canada ...) for giving money??? Where did I even say that what the USA gives is not enough.????

I just don't rally under the " flag" to spit on other countries, like some here .... And I don't like false or twisted statment that are here.
Then you should stop twisting them. Fact...in total dollars...not percentage per capita...the USA government...combined with American based charitable .orgs...provide more money to the world in all combined areas of aid than the rest of the worlds nations combined. Now you and the other America basher (Webby) are dismissed. I have things to do...in preparation for my trip in the morning.
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IN terms of hard $ I do believe Japan gives way way more then any other country.
Oddly... the Japanese govt actually offered me funds on an annual basis to retain some land area as it is and not screw it up with development.

They were actually paying for the land to be retained as primary forest (jungle territory) with the ability to generate oxygen.

I just told em we had no intention of screwing the place up and use their funds for other places it may be needed.
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Then you should stop twisting them. Fact...in total dollars...not percentage per capita...the USA government...combined with American based charitable .orgs...provide more money to the world in all combined areas of aid than the rest of the worlds nations combined. Now you and the other America basher (Webby) are dismissed. I have things to do...in preparation for my trip in the morning.
Thanks for the link!

Very instructive .... LOL
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You can't compare US foreign aid to its GDP - that is crazy. These are the same people that blamed Bill Gates for not giving enough of his money away when he was giving way 100's of millions. If a country is the largest donator of money give them some fucking credit.
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Fact...in total dollars...not percentage per capita...
OK.. I'll be the "US hater" of the day if that suits your small mind :-)

Do you for some weird reason think that we should bend the figures to no longer be based on percentage per capita??

If so, why? Cos it suits your personal arguement?
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Does this include the donations to Saddam's birthday fund?

Another stupid ass Texan opens his mouth and shit comes out.
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