** 50 MILLION **


Buy me out!

Selling a TGP that makes $1000 a month compared to selling a program with 30,000 active recurring members.

3-6 months makes sense for the TGP but those active rebills in the program can go on and on, declining of course, for quite some time.

If the sites were well promoted then there would still be a nice amount of traffic hitting the sites regularly.

Really, how do you just BUY an affiliate program

Yes and no need to show me that spreadsheet from Alex.

If you find a significant business that someone is willing to sell for only 3 to 6 months earnings I'd run like hell from that deal cause I guarnatee you, there will be lots of unpleasant surprises once you take over.

You'd have to be a complete lame brain as a seller to sell a solid moneymaking business for so little.

Just my 2 cents and speaking from years of experience looking at deals . . .

The funny thing is there are some players that would probably let go of their goldmines for 2 to 3 years earnings and you'll get a really good business.

Yeah but you forget, I've got my MOJO baby....YEAH :xmas-smil

And I was there when you started.....with that shitty, black background, one page members area that converted like 15% of trials...LOL

I know what I'm getting into.

Your are very correct,

I have been around since 1997 and have seen a few deals.
I have worked for 2 major programs, 1 was the largest program
known to mankind in 1998/1999 ( Xpics )

Well, with all due respect to Lensman, he is crazy . . . or thinks the seller must be.

Honestly Lenny,

If it can be done, you will be able to do it!

I have faith in you.


I had help Lenny, the BUSTY AMATEURS complete members list :small-smi
I went from 300 members to 5,000 in 2 weeks in 2001.

Interesting thread, let's of great opinions. It's funny reading threads like this though, you can really see who has a good grasp of BUSINESS and who has money and common sense. I'll be that last person to judge either of them, but the different perspectives are certainly intriguing.

Carry on. :thefinger

I wish I could still buy Pichunter for 250k JEEEEEEEEZ!

It would be paid off in 5-6 months.... :Buck:

DH

Usually by wire.

Two things

1) Nobody keeps members for more than 6 months (oh maybe you have one or two guys that have been there for years but we need to look at averages)

2) Alot of times when paysites are sold the previous owner keeps the rebills for all of the members that were there when the site was sold, the new owner gets credit for all of the new sales/rebills etc.
Basically in a deal like this you're buying the sites/domains/traffic/content and that's it.....if you're going to buy the members too then you'll pay per member based on the average retention of the site which is probably no more than.....you guessed it....3 months.

:2 cents:

Agreed. I am brokering the sale of a paysite that has been around since '98 and I keep getting these idiots that want to offer 3-6 months income like my client should consider it a serious offer.

We get a good laugh from it anyway.

That's a deal I would not entertain.

Its possible that my memory is failing me but I'm 90% sure that's what he said.

But its just like the old saying...a business is worth whatever you can get someone to pay you for it.
Sometimes the DOW is worth 35 times earnings and sometimes its only worth 20...its all a matter of what the market will bear at a given time.

We have over 600 members that have rebilled over 12 months.

We have over 200 members that have billed over 18 months.

I guess 3 months is for the shitty sites that are not exclusive or niche.

:bigears

Which one?
The previous owner keeping the rebills or you buying them?

I bet you a loy of people would have sold real cheap when the 2257 scare was hotter a bit before the elections.

Previous owner keeping the rebills.

Rebills should go with the site :2 cents:

Agreed.


If you don't' sell the rebills, the price should be much lower.

Well, it sure seems that potential buyers were trying to use that as leverage.

In the case of the site I am brokering it is too bad they overlooked the opportunity as the price has gone up significantly since then.

No doubt.

Xpics is certainly a good example of caveat emptor.

No question.

The companies that keep their members long term are numerous and they aren't for sale for that reason.

Active recurring will go on and on. There will be a steady decline only if promotion stops and no new joins are taken but there will still be more then 1/2 even at the 6 month mark.

Alot of webmasters have no real idea on the value of programs
or perhaps their own programs.

Value should be depicted from:

Revenue (rebills)
Daily Revenue ( average new joins )
Traffic ( webmasters and surfers )
Content ( if its niche/exclusive )
Webmaster Database
Members Database

One important fact often overlooked, Has the program
maintained any growth or have the held steady for a significant
amount of time ?

This shows security in the site.

I run a large adult affiliate company. I was entertaining selling it but I don't really know what it would be worth.

I am very secretive about what I do here so privacy must be assured before I can give any details.

If you are interested in hearing about it email me.

james at yank me dot com

go ahead and email me a confidentiality agreement marty at videopass dot com

There's no way the average paysite stops taking traffic today and still has half of its members in 6 months. NO WAY.

Obviously you can keep the member count constant with new traffic coming in, but that new traffic is yours, not the previous owners.

And obviously if the site doesn't come with the rebills the price will be much lower....that goes without saying.
However that is one way to work the deal, especially if the previous owner pulls some really shady billing on the way out the door....the new owner doesn't want to eat the chargebacks for that....so the new owners get a new merchant account (or IPSP account) to process from and the old owner keeps his old members and his credits/chargebacks

:2 cents:

You could add brand recognition to that list but otherwise I say that is some excellent advice.

I agree with that....but I still won't give you 1.75 million....LOL
(Not that I have that lying around anyways)

Those items and others. Name recognition is another asset.

In your case brand recognition would be the most valuable part of the package.

But very few in this biz have that sort of branding.

It is a valid point. I have had potential buyers that have stated they don't want the existing members

What is your full name?

Hey, KB... how much EBITA you got in your wallet? lol I'm selling some hoes :)

I will fill that part in for you

Thanks for the compliment! I do think there are quite a few good to some great brands out there. Lord knows the competition these days is fierce..

Assets like domains would also have to be added to the list for evaluation.

hahaahah, nice

I will pay you $160.00 for your $100.00 hoe. :xmas-smil

Your program must be worth a pretty penny.

KB hoes are a better investment in today's market... imo...

Hey LAMIKE,

We just opened a new feed, it could be of some
good use for your newer sites.

www.BustyFeeds.com

I will give you 30 days free to try it out!

let me know!

hahaha, and she'll stay for longer then my members :)

This might be true

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses.

Send me off an email [email protected] and cc [email protected] and we'll take a look :)