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Red7 · 10-18-2001, 11:31 PM

Well this is in reply to posts i have read on The Hun-Colins Posts:

#1 I think that now there is way to much Free Porn out there and you will never change it!

#2 TGP2 is a good idea but will never change the minds of TGP owners like the Hun-Worldsex.

#3 Those top TGPS were the ones that gave all the free porn away now you all have to SuFFer on lower conversions as the pics and gallery sizes are better then most pay sites.

#4 If we could start all over the best type of TGP would be one that only offers 8 pics and the sizes would be limited to say 400x260 in size as a good TEASER! but now you GIVE IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE! is the way and will be the way of these top TGP sites and you will never be able to change it!

#5 Next you will see 5mb movies sites for free then no one will make a dime.

#6 If this all bothers you and you do want to make a change i suggest all webmasters that post to these top TGP sites get together and stop posting to the HUN-WORLD SEX then you would make a differnce!!! No THAT PROBALLY WILL NEVER HAPPEN but if you all did stop posting your full size 20 pic galleries THESE TOP TGP SITES yould have no content to post and we would all make more money and save bandwidth! as the TGP 2 thing is not to good either in my eyes as it has some fake links of blind pics and that wont work either in the long run!

#7 You have to Chop off the Horses Head to get WHAT YOU WANT! that means DONT POST TO THESE BIG TGP sites till they all reduce the BOAT LOAD OF FREE CONTENT they are providing!

AND as a reminder i said 8 pics 2 banners w/ text links and small pics and all of us would make some good cash! but i did this same post 2 years ago and no one listened and i am sure no one will listen now.. so i am wasting my time but giving you the reality of how if all TGP sites Scaled down 2 notches we all would make 65% MORE CASH! as the surfer does not need to join a pay site as he-she can get it -4-FREE!...

How to change this? DONT POST TO THE BIG TGPS SITES! this is just my thoughts.. it wont ever happen but trying is NICE!...

Kimmykim · 10-19-2001, 12:32 AM

Huh?

That's the short answer for sure.

So stop reading if you don't like to read.

"#1 I think that now there is way to much Free Porn out there and you will never change it!"
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There is too much out there but it's not so hard to change it.

"#2 TGP2 is a good idea but will never change the minds of TGP owners like the Hun-Worldsex."
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OK and who cares? Let them make their money breaking the back of this industry. No biggie.

"#3 Those top TGPS were the ones that gave all the free porn away now you all have to SuFFer on lower conversions as the pics and gallery sizes are better then most pay sites."
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True.

"#4 If we could start all over the best type of TGP would be one that only offers 8 pics and the sizes would be limited to say 400x260 in size as a good TEASER! but now you GIVE IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE! is the way and will be the way of these top TGP sites and you will never be able to change it!"
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400x260???? hell no. Thumbnails. Only thumbnails. And not very many if we are starting all over.

"#5 Next you will see 5mb movies sites for free then no one will make a dime."
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Hello, they are here. Two nickels to rub together still makes a dime but you have to make it as two nickels not a dime now.

6,7 and the reminder are way too long to cut and paste but the point is good.

$$ or counter stats. Thats the end result of this post I think.

Trax · 10-19-2001, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
$$ or counter stats. Thats the end result of this post I think.

exactly!!

wiZd0m · 10-19-2001, 02:03 AM

You know, I think all this free content out there made a few things better.

Pay Sites now have to actually have content which includes good quality pictures, movies and stories. (This is great for paying customers)

Some people exagerate of course, but they are not a significant number, and they don't represent the vast majority of the webmasters out there.

Also, I would not underestimate revenues generated by sites like thehun for the entire industry. From his banners, I think he has like 70k+ clicks a day. Now add how many clicks to sponsors the 70 galleries he list everyday generates. This is more then what he sends himself with his own advertising.

You can't ingnore this out of the equation.

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DarkJedi · 10-19-2001, 10:27 AM

indeed

Rip · 10-19-2001, 10:34 AM

That's 'cause a heluva lot of webmasters are kids, don't know how to run a business, or think that giving away stuff for free, is how to make money

Over the next 1 to 2 years the "industry" will suffer quite a bit more and poorly or marginally run businesses will fail, leaving a lot of webmasters on the hook

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tradermcduck · 10-19-2001, 11:09 AM

"$$$ or Counter Stats" - well said :-)

I think we all underestimate the role of pay sites! These guys definitely have the power to change things...

Nothing against TheHun, Worldsex - they have traffic, but how many % are freeloaders and should these surfersreally get 20+ high quality pics galleries for free?! Quality and not quantity is what pay sites are looking for.

TO MAKE IT SHORT AND SIMPLE: THE BIG PAY SITE COMPANIES DECIDE ABOUT THE FUTURE...

SleazyDream · 10-19-2001, 11:15 AM

I already offer more free hardcore couples porn on SleazyDream.com than most paysites have in their members sections, and I think I'll increase it just to piss you off!

Theo · 10-19-2001, 12:04 PM

you should update your site

http://www.freeadultwebmaster.com/masstraffic.html

For sure tons for free doesn't help, BUT, the way you present things are not so realistic. Internet is a huge village that gives you opportunities to make money with different ways. AVS sites don't offer from free almost anything and there's a whole army out there that makes grands per month from doing such sites. I know tgp owner with 120.000/day that make $5.000 and I know tgp owner with 40.000/day surfers that makes $6000/month. Freesites offer much more for free than tgp galleries and most people make more money from freesites.
TGP2 model doesn't need to overpass any other model to be called succesful.

[This message has been edited by Soul_Rebel (edited 10-19-2001).]

Kimmykim · 10-19-2001, 02:07 PM

Customers don't care about the inside of paysites. As long as there is so much free shit, why should they?

On-top · 10-19-2001, 02:37 PM

KK, you know I love ya, but FreeSites aren't as evil as you think.

The big guys aren't breaking the back of the industry, this industry is just like every other one. They just push the limit the farthest. We bitched about AL4A and thehun 5 years ago. They were "stealing" bandwidth then. They were killing the industry. They wouldn't last. Free hosts came along, they wouldn't last. So what has changed since then?

Nothing. Sites have come and gone. Prices for bandwidth keep going down. The standard for quality on the net keeps going up. Home connections are becoming faster. Computers are becoming faster, more capable, and more tied in with other media and comunication products. People do expect things from the insides of paysites now. 4 years ago you could start a paysite with 500 pictures, a couple silent movie feeds, charge 14.95 a month and it was cool. Then the big guys kept adding feeds, adding content, adding design, and have pushed the cost per month to nearly $40.00 a month. And for what? Some 2"x3" jerky movie with 1 channel sound. That sucks. For $40 a month some guy can order 2 porn DVDs and have him shipped to his door. That's hours of DVD quality content!! Compared to a bunch of shit that he has to download each time he's online, tons of feeds that are hard to sort through andkind of work, a bunch of regurgitated pics, and any other hassle that can come from working online. The surfer continues to want more. The market will give the surfer exactly what the market supports. And as long as the barrier of entry is so low in this industry, it will continue to leave very tight margins for those in it. It still a maturing industry...try as you might to rush it, it will find it's equilibrium in it's own due time.

People are fickle. They always want more. That makes them pretty damn predictable. Given the choice between a 300x400 still shot and a Digital wide screen movie updated 30 times a second, with 6 channels of digital sound, 4 different viewing angles, big screen quality, interactive menues, and 4 hours of non-stop playing...I will choose the latter. The net isn't there yet. Just give it time.

Sometimes, I just have to throw in 2 pennies.

Rip · 10-19-2001, 04:04 PM

Selling Porn is marketing, pure and simple

Marketing is simply selling your customers something

surfers = customers

Knowing your customers better = making more money from them

If you walk into your local warehouse club, they cut their cookies into 4 pieces and hand out samples in a nice little paper cupcake mould

If it's something with meat in it, then they cut it into 10 pieces before they give you samples

If you walk into a department store, likely they don't give you any free samples

If you run your site like a flea market, well, then you figure it out

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On-top · 10-19-2001, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rip:
Knowing your customers better = making more money from them

Well said RIP

10-18-2001, 11:31 PM	#1
Red7 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: www.sexgrfx.com Posts: 221	TGP-.5-1.0-1.5-2.0 Well All Of Them! Well this is in reply to posts i have read on The Hun-Colins Posts: #1 I think that now there is way to much Free Porn out there and you will never change it! #2 TGP2 is a good idea but will never change the minds of TGP owners like the Hun-Worldsex. #3 Those top TGPS were the ones that gave all the free porn away now you all have to SuFFer on lower conversions as the pics and gallery sizes are better then most pay sites. #4 If we could start all over the best type of TGP would be one that only offers 8 pics and the sizes would be limited to say 400x260 in size as a good TEASER! but now you GIVE IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE! is the way and will be the way of these top TGP sites and you will never be able to change it! #5 Next you will see 5mb movies sites for free then no one will make a dime. #6 If this all bothers you and you do want to make a change i suggest all webmasters that post to these top TGP sites get together and stop posting to the HUN-WORLD SEX then you would make a differnce!!! No THAT PROBALLY WILL NEVER HAPPEN but if you all did stop posting your full size 20 pic galleries THESE TOP TGP SITES yould have no content to post and we would all make more money and save bandwidth! as the TGP 2 thing is not to good either in my eyes as it has some fake links of blind pics and that wont work either in the long run! #7 You have to Chop off the Horses Head to get WHAT YOU WANT! that means DONT POST TO THESE BIG TGP sites till they all reduce the BOAT LOAD OF FREE CONTENT they are providing! AND as a reminder i said 8 pics 2 banners w/ text links and small pics and all of us would make some good cash! but i did this same post 2 years ago and no one listened and i am sure no one will listen now.. so i am wasting my time but giving you the reality of how if all TGP sites Scaled down 2 notches we all would make 65% MORE CASH! as the surfer does not need to join a pay site as he-she can get it -4-FREE!... How to change this? DONT POST TO THE BIG TGPS SITES! this is just my thoughts.. it wont ever happen but trying is NICE!...

10-19-2001, 12:32 AM	#2
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Huh? That's the short answer for sure. So stop reading if you don't like to read. "#1 I think that now there is way to much Free Porn out there and you will never change it!" ---------------------------------- There is too much out there but it's not so hard to change it. "#2 TGP2 is a good idea but will never change the minds of TGP owners like the Hun-Worldsex." ----------------------------- OK and who cares? Let them make their money breaking the back of this industry. No biggie. "#3 Those top TGPS were the ones that gave all the free porn away now you all have to SuFFer on lower conversions as the pics and gallery sizes are better then most pay sites." ----------------------------- True. "#4 If we could start all over the best type of TGP would be one that only offers 8 pics and the sizes would be limited to say 400x260 in size as a good TEASER! but now you GIVE IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE! is the way and will be the way of these top TGP sites and you will never be able to change it!" ------------------------- 400x260???? hell no. Thumbnails. Only thumbnails. And not very many if we are starting all over. "#5 Next you will see 5mb movies sites for free then no one will make a dime." -------------------------- Hello, they are here. Two nickels to rub together still makes a dime but you have to make it as two nickels not a dime now. 6,7 and the reminder are way too long to cut and paste but the point is good. $$ or counter stats. Thats the end result of this post I think.

10-19-2001, 02:03 AM	#4
wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	You know, I think all this free content out there made a few things better. Pay Sites now have to actually have content which includes good quality pictures, movies and stories. (This is great for paying customers) Some people exagerate of course, but they are not a significant number, and they don't represent the vast majority of the webmasters out there. Also, I would not underestimate revenues generated by sites like thehun for the entire industry. From his banners, I think he has like 70k+ clicks a day. Now add how many clicks to sponsors the 70 galleries he list everyday generates. This is more then what he sends himself with his own advertising. You can't ingnore this out of the equation. ------------------ wiZd0m Thunder Free Adult Hosting - Fastest servers in the industry Fortune Pussy Adult Links - The best in adult links

10-19-2001, 10:27 AM	#5
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	indeed

10-19-2001, 10:34 AM	#6
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	That's 'cause a heluva lot of webmasters are kids, don't know how to run a business, or think that giving away stuff for free, is how to make money Over the next 1 to 2 years the "industry" will suffer quite a bit more and poorly or marginally run businesses will fail, leaving a lot of webmasters on the hook ------------------ $$ DIRTY GOLD $$ Revenue Program JackThumbsTGP - - - VideoKAT-ViDeOpOsT - Post Gallieries - - - - - - - Trade Traffic -

10-19-2001, 11:09 AM	#7
tradermcduck Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe - By the way I know my nickname sucks ;-) Posts: 2,362	"$$$ or Counter Stats" - well said :-) I think we all underestimate the role of pay sites! These guys definitely have the power to change things... Nothing against TheHun, Worldsex - they have traffic, but how many % are freeloaders and should these surfersreally get 20+ high quality pics galleries for free?! Quality and not quantity is what pay sites are looking for. TO MAKE IT SHORT AND SIMPLE: THE BIG PAY SITE COMPANIES DECIDE ABOUT THE FUTURE...

10-19-2001, 11:15 AM	#8
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	I already offer more free hardcore couples porn on SleazyDream.com than most paysites have in their members sections, and I think I'll increase it just to piss you off!

10-19-2001, 12:04 PM	#9
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	you should update your site http://www.freeadultwebmaster.com/masstraffic.html For sure tons for free doesn't help, BUT, the way you present things are not so realistic. Internet is a huge village that gives you opportunities to make money with different ways. AVS sites don't offer from free almost anything and there's a whole army out there that makes grands per month from doing such sites. I know tgp owner with 120.000/day that make $5.000 and I know tgp owner with 40.000/day surfers that makes $6000/month. Freesites offer much more for free than tgp galleries and most people make more money from freesites. TGP2 model doesn't need to overpass any other model to be called succesful. [This message has been edited by Soul_Rebel (edited 10-19-2001).]

10-19-2001, 02:07 PM	#10
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Customers don't care about the inside of paysites. As long as there is so much free shit, why should they?

10-19-2001, 02:37 PM	#11
On-top Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: IN Posts: 2,283	KK, you know I love ya, but FreeSites aren't as evil as you think. The big guys aren't breaking the back of the industry, this industry is just like every other one. They just push the limit the farthest. We bitched about AL4A and thehun 5 years ago. They were "stealing" bandwidth then. They were killing the industry. They wouldn't last. Free hosts came along, they wouldn't last. So what has changed since then? Nothing. Sites have come and gone. Prices for bandwidth keep going down. The standard for quality on the net keeps going up. Home connections are becoming faster. Computers are becoming faster, more capable, and more tied in with other media and comunication products. People do expect things from the insides of paysites now. 4 years ago you could start a paysite with 500 pictures, a couple silent movie feeds, charge 14.95 a month and it was cool. Then the big guys kept adding feeds, adding content, adding design, and have pushed the cost per month to nearly $40.00 a month. And for what? Some 2"x3" jerky movie with 1 channel sound. That sucks. For $40 a month some guy can order 2 porn DVDs and have him shipped to his door. That's hours of DVD quality content!! Compared to a bunch of shit that he has to download each time he's online, tons of feeds that are hard to sort through andkind of work, a bunch of regurgitated pics, and any other hassle that can come from working online. The surfer continues to want more. The market will give the surfer exactly what the market supports. And as long as the barrier of entry is so low in this industry, it will continue to leave very tight margins for those in it. It still a maturing industry...try as you might to rush it, it will find it's equilibrium in it's own due time. People are fickle. They always want more. That makes them pretty damn predictable. Given the choice between a 300x400 still shot and a Digital wide screen movie updated 30 times a second, with 6 channels of digital sound, 4 different viewing angles, big screen quality, interactive menues, and 4 hours of non-stop playing...I will choose the latter. The net isn't there yet. Just give it time. Sometimes, I just have to throw in 2 pennies.

10-19-2001, 04:04 PM	#12
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	Selling Porn is marketing, pure and simple Marketing is simply selling your customers something surfers = customers Knowing your customers better = making more money from them If you walk into your local warehouse club, they cut their cookies into 4 pieces and hand out samples in a nice little paper cupcake mould If it's something with meat in it, then they cut it into 10 pieces before they give you samples If you walk into a department store, likely they don't give you any free samples If you run your site like a flea market, well, then you figure it out ------------------ $$ DIRTY GOLD $$ Revenue Program JackThumbsTGP - - - VideoKAT-ViDeOpOsT - Post Gallieries - - - - - - - Trade Traffic -