Psychology Of Non-Nude Surfers?

[Mutt]

Are these weirdo......er..... guys who surf and join NN sites doing it because the girls tend to be very young and very cute and there's enough skin to make them happy that they don't really care if they see her completely naked OR are they surfing for NN specifically because that's what they want, for whatever psychological reasons, and they wouldn't join a site if the girl goes full nude or hardcore?

[xclusive]

Everybody is different and a lot of guys like it simpler these days and are burned out from the hardcore stuff but still wanna look at hot chicks...

[xNetworx]

I wonder how many join the site thinking there will be nudity and when they find out there is none, quit immediately.

[Mutt]

a nipple and a vagina not showing pink are hardly 'hardcore'.

as i've said before, many of the NN sites imo are nastier in terms of the photography than alot of full nude photography I have seen, much more so in fact. you can't compare what Phil Flash does to Playboy style full nude photography - Phil is nastier. So what I'm asking are there lots of guys out there who just have a problem with nudity, they connect nudity with obscenity/pornography, they don't think that when they join or view a NN site that they are viewing pornography. They wouldn't buy Playboy but would buy Maxim or FHM. They wouldn't join Tawnee Stone but would join Tiffany Teen. How much of the NN market are those guys?

[FelixFlow]

look at your porn girls: 95% of them are shot-out and/or not cute

of course the surfer would LOVE to see the NN girl nude, but he'll take her as he can get her rather than not get her at all

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Mutt

a nipple and a vagina not showing pink are hardly 'hardcore'.

as i've said before, many of the NN sites imo are nastier in terms of the photography than alot of full nude photography I have seen, much more so in fact. you can't compare what Phil Flash does to Playboy style full nude photography - Phil is nastier. So what I'm asking are there lots of guys out there who just have a problem with nudity, they connect nudity with obscenity/pornography, they don't think that when they join or view a NN site that they are viewing pornography. They wouldn't buy Playboy but would buy Maxim or FHM. They wouldn't join Tawnee Stone but would join Tiffany Teen. How much of the NN market are those guys?

the last penthouse (jan 2005) i picked up had no real 'explicit' shots. i get asked about less explicit stuff by guys all the time . . .

[Dax]

Part of it is the fantasy that the girl may one day decide to go all nude... the fantasy that maybe she a shot *sneaks* in showing some nipple or something.. The fantasy of the girl being VERY young...etc... all of them play a part...

Sometimes your imagination plays a huge roll... You can imagine how she is naked and she will always look better than when and if u see her naked.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by FelixFlow

of course the surfer would LOVE to see the NN girl nude, but he'll take her as he can get her rather than not get her at all

where do get your information? are you inside the head of these guys? i asked the question for a reason, to find out from guys with a long history in the NN niche what they think since they may have had a fair amount of interaction with these guys and have experimented with running a nude and non-nude version of one model - and no i'm not talking about just the tour being NN, also the members content.

cute girl you have there, do you also go by the name of 'Melvin'?

[V_RocKs]

I know a lot of people who are making a killing on nonnude sites. From my own experience ratios go something like this:

SE -> 1:80
NN -> 1:200
Barely18 -> 1:800
Nude -> 1:1600

I guess there is something about the alure of a girl giving your imagination a run for its money.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by bmb

the last penthouse (jan 2005) i picked up had no real 'explicit' shots. i get asked about less explicit stuff by guys all the time . . .

Penthouse has gone kinda schizo, the magazine is going much more softcore but they are moving more into the hardcore video world.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I know a lot of people who are making a killing on nonnude sites. From my own experience ratios go something like this:

SE -> 1:80
NN -> 1:200
Barely18 -> 1:800
Nude -> 1:1600

I guess there is something about the alure of a girl giving your imagination a run for its money.

that's your traffic, which from those numbers is geared toward NN - there's traffic out there that wouldn't convert 1:10,000 on a NN site. How much NN traffic is out there is unknown, as the niche gets more saturated the growth in traffic won't keep up.

[FelixFlow]

Originally Posted by Mutt

where do get your information? are you inside the head of these guys? i asked the question for a reason, to find out from guys with a long history in the NN niche what they think since they may have had a fair amount of interaction with these guys and have experimented with running a nude and non-nude version of one model - and no i'm not talking about just the tour being NN, also the members content.

cute girl you have there, do you also go by the name of 'Melvin'?

I've been in NN since 1998. I think I'm more than qualified to make statements on the how's & why's of NN

It's very obvious why guys join NN sites: the organ that dictates our sex drives & desires is not our cocks - but our brains.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Mutt

that's your traffic, which from those numbers is geared toward NN - there's traffic out there that wouldn't convert 1:10,000 on a NN site. How much NN traffic is out there is unknown, as the niche gets more saturated the growth in traffic won't keep up.

in a word 'advertizing dollars' the climate today makes avertizing in 'explicit' mags a risk. this has been shown by FHM, maxim and the other less racy mags. playboy has a HC video line to if i remember correctly

[BV]

different strokes for different folks

hahaha

no pun intended

[ZeroGalleries]

It's funny. I find the sites I promote by surfing the net and seeing what I wouls signup for. Then I use the WHY to promote those sites. The truth of the matter is that many of the NN sites get my dick hard. I find that the more thec chick tease the more I click to the next pic, just hoping to see a little nipple or pussy.

I know that I won't, but I still want it. I kinda feeds a different fantasy. The girl you can't have rather than the slut you can get.

[moneybiz]

Originally Posted by ZeroGalleries

It's funny. I find the sites I promote by surfing the net and seeing what I wouls signup for. Then I use the WHY to promote those sites. The truth of the matter is that many of the NN sites get my dick hard. I find that the more thec chick tease the more I click to the next pic, just hoping to see a little nipple or pussy.

I know that I won't, but I still want it. I kinda feeds a different fantasy. The girl you can't have rather than the slut you can get.

I havnt decided what day I am going to spam down your sites you sick fuckwit.

[NaughtyRob]

Its the tease man.
I am currently devoping www.teasingpanties.com

[Andrew-at-ENet]

hasn't this been covered on here before?

[uno]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I know a lot of people who are making a killing on nonnude sites. From my own experience ratios go something like this:

SE -> 1:80
NN -> 1:200
Barely18 -> 1:800
Nude -> 1:1600

I guess there is something about the alure of a girl giving your imagination a run for its money.

I think a large part of it is the teasing involved in NN. It's the not knowing exactly whats under there that sparks curiosity. It's the almost shy(i know i know) coyness inherent in it.

[dasexi1]

my partner has several non nude sites, the niche is a little different then what you're talking about (ebony, big booty) but the principle is the same. You'd be surprised at just how many men there are out there that don't want to see girls naked, i've talked to a few of them and they all say the same thing, that they think a woman is sexier with her clothes on... all they want is to see a big ass in panties, thongs, or booty shorts, and video of them shaking their ass... they like the fantasy...

[uno]

Originally Posted by dasexi1

my partner has several non nude sites, the niche is a little different then what you're talking about (ebony, big booty) but the principle is the same. You'd be surprised at just how many men there are out there that don't want to see girls naked, i've talked to a few of them and they all say the same thing, that they think a woman is sexier with her clothes on... all they want is to see a big ass in panties, thongs, or booty shorts, and video of them shaking their ass... they like the fantasy...

I used to hang with a Hungarian playboy model who was also a stripper. She was immaculate naked, but looked even better dressed to the nines. Nothing drove me crazier than her dancing at clubs and parties WITH her clothes on, fitting well and looking amazing.

[dasexi1]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

I wonder how many join the site thinking there will be nudity and when they find out there is none, quit immediately.

that's what the tour is for, to show exactly whats inside, any webmaster/mistress with half a brain wouldn't try to trick a surfer into thinking a NN site is full of nude pics. if you market your site to men that are looking for NN then that just isn't a problem. and like i said before, you'd be surprised at just how well NN sells, the trick is finding out exactly what it is the NN surfer is looking for and capitalizing on it, could be ass, camel toes, panties, thongs etc.

[BV]

My theory is that they are turned off by porn stars, real next door type girls turn them on. They would not mind if they were nude but this type of girl usually won't do nude.


a good analogy would be sometimes you here someone say that they would never fuck a prostitute because it just turns them off, yet they have no problem fucking some bar slut. it's a mental thing fo sho

[Pornwolf]

About an hour ago I got pretty excited seeing dasexi1's ass in tight pants. Who's to say I'd be more excited by seeing it completely naked... in person.

I think need to do some research on that before I can properly contribute to this tread.

[dasexi1]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

About an hour ago I got pretty excited seeing dasexi1's ass in tight pants. Who's to say I'd be more excited by seeing it completely naked... in person.

I think need to do some research on that before I can properly contribute to this tread.

lol... so when r u gonna send me a pic of u?

[Mutt]

i think there's also a 'virgin' fantasy at play on these sites. nobody's going to believe that a nude 23 year old with fake tits is a virgin but you could believe that a cute wholesome looking naked 18 year old might be. if you notice on alot of these sites in the bio section or diary the girl(or webmaster writing for her) never talk about heterosexual sexual experiences.

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by dasexi1

lol... so when r u gonna send me a pic of u?

My man ass doesn't compare so hopefully you will be fine with basic picture. I'll shoot you one when I replace my Treo. I dropped it. Camera lens cracked.

[Dugmor]

I think girl look better in clothing !

I built my first NN site in 2000 cuase I really enjoyed the way girl looked in clothing. The clothing will show the shape of a girl much more than just letting it all hang out.

I am a big fan of victoria secrets and sears catolog more than I am of lets say Hustler or Penthouse ! One of my other favorite magazines I like is J Crew catolog ! That is what real non nude is about for me !

[dasexi1]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

My man ass doesn't compare so hopefully you will be fine with basic picture. I'll shoot you one when I replace my Treo. I dropped it. Camera lens cracked.

yeah yeah the old broke camera excuse, like u don't have pics of u somewhere on ya hd
anyway i can do without man ass... face shot is fine

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by dasexi1

yeah yeah the old broke camera excuse, like u don't have pics of u somewhere on ya hd
anyway i can do without man ass... face shot is fine

Hold tight, I got you. I haven't posted a pic on the web in about 4 formatted hard drives. If anyone has the Pornwolf shirtless pic from 2002 kindly post it. Thanks

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Well it seems like a niche like everything else in this biz.

[dasexi1]

sorry mutt for the off topic stuff... last one i promise

pw why aren't u on my icq list? u can hit me up icq 77 69 1446

[LiveDose]

I think it amounts to 'perceived' innocence...

[TheMob]

well, non-nude, nude.. what's the difference?