Originally Posted by Mutt

a nipple and a vagina not showing pink are hardly 'hardcore'.

as i've said before, many of the NN sites imo are nastier in terms of the photography than alot of full nude photography I have seen, much more so in fact. you can't compare what Phil Flash does to Playboy style full nude photography - Phil is nastier. So what I'm asking are there lots of guys out there who just have a problem with nudity, they connect nudity with obscenity/pornography, they don't think that when they join or view a NN site that they are viewing pornography. They wouldn't buy Playboy but would buy Maxim or FHM. They wouldn't join Tawnee Stone but would join Tiffany Teen. How much of the NN market are those guys?