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Old 12-23-2004, 07:13 AM   #1
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Dutch security service worried about 10.000 muslims

Besides the 150 already known group of muslim extremists here in Holland a new report by the Dutch internal security service speaks about a group of 10.000 muslims who can turn to extremists. A constantly growing group of muslims are "redisovering" the Koran in a more extreme way and are trying to achieve a 100% muslim state. This group of people is very much against anything that has to do with western culture.

Yup, lets all move to Holland to complain about the western culture and fight it.
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:15 AM   #2
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Out of 16 million people living in Holland 1 million is muslim. Within 2 generations the 4 biggests cities of Holland are expected to have a majority of muslim citizens.
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People talk about muslems becoming extremists.. The more you talk about this the more you piss them off and then they will become extremists
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Out of 16 million people living in Holland 1 million is muslim. Within 2 generations the 4 biggests cities of Holland are expected to have a majority of muslim citizens.
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People talk about muslems becoming extremists.. The more you talk about this the more you piss them off and then they will become extremists
Okay then, so don't talk about Muslem extremists and they'll all go away, lol
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This group of people is very much against anything that has to do with western culture.

Yup, lets all move to Holland to complain about the western culture and fight it.
I have never understood why they move somewhere and then complain about it.. send them back to their caves and mud huts if they don't like it.
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You're an American right? That would explain things...
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People talk about muslems becoming extremists.. The more you talk about this the more you piss them off and then they will become extremists
So...the more we talk about Germans getting back to their Nazi roots(yes, there's Neo-nazis walking around), the more and more you guys will become nazis? I hope you really don't believe that right?
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People talk about muslems becoming extremists.. The more you talk about this the more you piss them off and then they will become extremists
Yup, lets ignore then and let them do what they want.
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I have never understood why they move somewhere and then complain about it.. send them back to their caves and mud huts if they don't like it.

jup I'm a big fan of sending those fuckers back
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Ssshhh! Don't say that in public because freedom of speech is supressed by the Islam...
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Besides the 150 already known group of muslim extremists here in Holland a new report by the Dutch internal security service speaks about a group of 10.000 muslims who can turn to extremists. A constantly growing group of muslims are "redisovering" the Koran in a more extreme way and are trying to achieve a 100% muslim state. This group of people is very much against anything that has to do with western culture.

Yup, lets all move to Holland to complain about the western culture and fight it.
why do the dutch badmouth our peaceful muslim brothers?
If they want to overpopulate the netherlands and vote in an islamic fundamentalist government, its their right.
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why do the dutch badmouth our peaceful muslim brothers?
If they want to overpopulate the netherlands and vote in an islamic fundamentalist government, its their right.
They can do that in the country they come from, right?
If not, why come to our country and turn ours into the same country they came from and then leave on to the next country?


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So...the more we talk about Germans getting back to their Nazi roots(yes, there's Neo-nazis walking around), the more and more you guys will become nazis? I hope you really don't believe that right?
I don't see any neo-nazis in my area, but I know there are some around yes.. Thats sad but I don't think they will be able to build up strengh.. They are just too unserious


I meant.. If someone judges wrong about me, he is an ignorant fucker in my eyes.. But maybee I'm just too muslem-friendly and there are really 10.000 potential extremists waiting to take Holland over.
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It's actually a plan for the muslims to take over the world that is what their religion calls for. Look at france it's going to be a majority muslim in 10 years and they are pretty much being told to have mroe and more babies not looking good...
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It's actually a plan for the muslims to take over the world that is what their religion calls for. Look at france it's going to be a majority muslim in 10 years and they are pretty much being told to have mroe and more babies not looking good...
The Europeans aren't going to sit back and be told what to do in their homeland. Eventually a lot of people are going to die. World War I and II were really not that long ago.
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Yup, lets all move to Holland to complain about the western culture and fight it.
I'm converting and will be over there within the next year.

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Read between the lines here. 10k muslims "at risk of turning to extremists" means 990k muslims with no chance in hell of turning to extremists, mainly because they're westernizing.
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It's actually a plan for the muslims to take over the world that is what their religion calls for. Look at france it's going to be a majority muslim in 10 years and they are pretty much being told to have mroe and more babies not looking good...
You mean those 5-10% muslims they have now in france are all gonna have 40+ children in the next 10 years to become the majority in the country? Sucks to be a french muslim chick
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Open door policies are great for the economy, for a while, but there is a point when a country should put its foot down -- Holland prospered greatly when the opened up their ?canal? / ?flood gates? while never discriminating against any persons, but by the looks of it, it is time to batten down the hatches and be very selective.

IMHO: Hell yah they are extremist! Any faction that believes killing someone because that person does not pre/subscribe to the mentioned mentality is fucking crazy and packed full of I can't think for myself, so I will let some freak dictator or some book tell me what's what kinda weirdos.
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Read between the lines here. 10k muslims "at risk of turning to extremists" means 990k muslims with no chance in hell of turning to extremists, mainly because they're westernizing.
10k potentially dangerous people. Dont you think thats a bit much?
Im indeed not talking about 990k other muslims.

Then again, lets talk about the 990k (with whom i personally have no problem with at this moment) They are still muslim, what does this mean? Lets look at it black and white. Muslims will eventually always chose for their fellow muslim. Even the "non dangerous" muslims, in times where they would have to chose they will chose what we consider wrong. Know what i mean? They might be westernizing but still pray to Allah because thats the one who tells them what do and not the Dutch government.

But anyway back to the present, you talk like there's nothing wrong with 10k extremists because there are so many non extremists. I dont think i have to point out what ONE extremists did 2 months ago here in Holland. Now imagine what 10.000 Mohammed B's are capable off.
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10k potentially dangerous people. Dont you think thats a bit much?
Im indeed not talking about 990k other muslims.

Then again, lets talk about the 990k (with whom i personally have no problem with at this moment) They are still muslim, what does this mean? Lets look at it black and white. Muslims will eventually always chose for their fellow muslim. Even the "non dangerous" muslims, in times where they would have to chose they will chose what we consider wrong. Know what i mean? They might be westernizing but still pray to Allah because thats the one who tells them what do and not the Dutch government.

But anyway back to the present, you talk like there's nothing wrong with 10k extremists because there are so many non extremists. I dont think i have to point out what ONE extremists did 2 months ago here in Holland. Now imagine what 10.000 Mohammed B's are capable off.
I actually agree with this. Every time I moved to a ne wcountry, I learned to assimilate with new culture still preserving my own culture. A few weeks ago I was talking to a Muslim woman in my class. We were discussing the Basque and how they attack for their freedom, well she pointed out that it was perfectly ok for the Basque to be terrorist just like her people because it's fo a good cause against the white man....I was stunned...she arrived to the states as a child, has lived here for over 20 years and she feels that it's alright that teh Muslims don't assimilate to new cultures, and that it's ok for them to do whatever they want in the name of Allah!!
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You mean those 5-10% muslims they have now in france are all gonna have 40+ children in the next 10 years to become the majority in the country? Sucks to be a french muslim chick
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I actually agree with this. Every time I moved to a ne wcountry, I learned to assimilate with new culture still preserving my own culture. A few weeks ago I was talking to a Muslim woman in my class. We were discussing the Basque and how they attack for their freedom, well she pointed out that it was perfectly ok for the Basque to be terrorist just like her people because it's fo a good cause against the white man....I was stunned...she arrived to the states as a child, has lived here for over 20 years and she feels that it's alright that teh Muslims don't assimilate to new cultures, and that it's ok for them to do whatever they want in the name of Allah!!
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10k potentially dangerous people. Dont you think thats a bit much?
Im indeed not talking about 990k other muslims.

Then again, lets talk about the 990k (with whom i personally have no problem with at this moment) They are still muslim, what does this mean? Lets look at it black and white. Muslims will eventually always chose for their fellow muslim. Even the "non dangerous" muslims, in times where they would have to chose they will chose what we consider wrong. Know what i mean? They might be westernizing but still pray to Allah because thats the one who tells them what do and not the Dutch government.

But anyway back to the present, you talk like there's nothing wrong with 10k extremists because there are so many non extremists. I dont think i have to point out what ONE extremists did 2 months ago here in Holland. Now imagine what 10.000 Mohammed B's are capable off.
The fact that only 10k muslims out of 1 million are at risk means that there is no chance in hell of extremist islam gaining a foothold in Dutch politics. That's one important thing to consider - with so few extremists, the country won't be "overrun" by muslims seeking an islamic state.

Now, let's not look at it black and white. Let's not pretend that all muslims are the same, and let's take into account that half the muslims in our country don't specifically think a muslim party is needed - as a recent survey discovered (Nova). And let's not forget that currently, the single biggest party in the country is a christian one (which got 7% of the muslim vote, by the way).

To say that "muslims will eventually always choose for their fellow muslim" is ridiculous. Muslims are not a homogenous group, and the westernized ones will not choose extremism. They may pray to Allah - just like christians pray to God - but they drink alcohol, watch porn and listen to rap music.

10k people "at risk of becoming extremists" does not mean that there actually are 10k extremists. It means that out of the muslims in our country, only 1% have a possible chance of turning to extremism - and let's not forget that an extremist isn't necessarily a terrorist, it's just someone with extreme views. So 1% of the muslims in our country may in the future start having extreme views. Big fucking deal.


Oh, and obviously this "statistic" is just something the AIVD pulled out of their asses. Exactly 1% of muslims are at risk of turning to extremism? I call bullshit.
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So 1% of the muslims in our country may in the future start having extreme views. Big fucking deal.

We'll see.
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If Hitler had won WWII - Europe wouldn't be having this Muslim "problem"... Just a thought
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So we should kill/torture all the non-blonde and non-blue-eyed (and non-christian)people? :costumed-
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I have to agree with the sending them back.

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Did you know that there was a special Muslim SS squad during WW2?
The Great Mufti of Jerusalem actually met with Hitler right before the war, it is diversely accepted among scholars that he suggested the "Final Solution" to Hitler.
So, if Hitler had won WW2, this problem would be a lot greater with European countries having to choose between adolf or mohamad
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I have to agree with the sending them back.

I hardly see any European countries or even Canada or the US starting mass deportation, furthermore, since most Muslims in Europe were born there, where would they send them back to?
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That one is funny and really sad at the same time, but none the less the truth
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Hell.. who is bothering about 10K potentially dangerous people?

There are a damned sight more than 10K potentially dangerous people living in Holland other than Muslims.

Don't even go near a comparison in the US - that's just the melting pot of the crime families, scumbags and terrorists of the world without a Muslim in sight :-)

It only takes a couple of people to cause a massive problem - not 10,000 - the majority of whom have no part in trying to harm anyone.

Did McVey need 10,000 people? Do the IRA need 10,000 people? Na :-)
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Old 12-23-2004, 10:08 PM   #43
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Hell.. who is bothering about 10K potentially dangerous people?

There are a damned sight more than 10K potentially dangerous people living in Holland other than Muslims.

Don't even go near a comparison in the US - that's just the melting pot of the crime families, scumbags and terrorists of the world without a Muslim in sight :-)

It only takes a couple of people to cause a massive problem - not 10,000 - the majority of whom have no part in trying to harm anyone.

Did McVey need 10,000 people? Do the IRA need 10,000 people? Na :-)
its always nice to hear a rational voice once in a while on this board
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