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ytcracker · 12-21-2004, 02:12 AM

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steve case was the best fighter ever

Vitasoy · 12-21-2004, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by fulcrumstudio
[B]I shot these two guys as well as Randy Couture for a mainstream ad....all amazing fighers and rock'n cool people....

Dan Henderson

Speaking of Dan Handerson, he will be fighting Yuki Kondo on the PRIDE FC "Shockwave" Fight Card

DonnyBoy29 · 12-21-2004, 02:14 AM

FAR OUT MAN!!!
Never heard of them in thenews thougha t all.sorry.

Vitasoy · 12-21-2004, 02:15 AM

This event is going to be hot!

Vitasoy · 12-21-2004, 02:17 AM

And yes thats USA Rulon Gardoner gold medalist greco wresltler in the back...

Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Rulon Gardoner
(Japan/Yoshida Dojo) (USA/Team Quest)

Agent White · 12-21-2004, 02:19 AM

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If he hit you, you broke. If you blocked a rib punch, you arm was broken or dislocated. If you didn't block, your rib was broken. He became known as the Godhand, a living manifestation of the Japanese warriors' maxim Ichi geki, Hissatsu or "One strike, certain death". To him, this was the true aim of technique in karate. The fancy footwork and intricate techniques were secondary (though he was also known for the power of his head kicks).

1. Japan didn't even know about Karate until the early 1900's, so.. huh? It's an Okinawan martial art, one they developed to beat the Japanese. Applying Budo ideals to Karate is like saying that Ghengis Khan was Sun Tzu's prodigy. Doesn't work if you know history.

2. Head kicks: Karate, the original style, and undoubtedly the style taught to Mas Oyama, doesn't have kicks about the waist. Are you talking about kicking opponents on the ground?

In my years of training, I've seen some amazing stuff. I've seen a guy's cup get broken in half by a front kick in a sparring match. I've seen guys break boards with their feet over 10 feet off the ground.

But when it comes to martial arts, only believe what you see. Everything else take with a grain of salt, as usually the people telling the story idolize the main character, and have a tendency to embellish.

ytcracker · 12-21-2004, 02:19 AM

bob sapp is from colorado springs

one of my older friends went to high school with him
said he was a really nice guy

Agent White · 12-21-2004, 03:16 AM

Here's som footage of Mas Oyama.

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/Kyokushin.htm

As someone who's trained for most of his life, there's a few things I'd like to point out.

1. One of the scenes where he's sparring, the video is cut to make him look faster. It's so poorly cut that you don't even need to go frame by frame. It's Oyama1.avi and his "opponent" takes a real hollywood swing over his head to facilitate the action.

2. When he's fighting the bull, he's a rope wrapped around his hand that's tied to the bull's nose ring. Anyone could fight a moderately sized bull with that kind of control. That would be like me fighting Royce Gracie but I've got his nuts in a choke chain and he's handcuffed. Even Ron Bluming, one of Oyama's top students, knows that most of this stuff was BS and wrote about it.

3. In one of the sparring clips his student throws two kicks at him while standing full facing for the entire fight. Anyone higher than yellow belt in a sparring martial art knows that this is just suicide, so I have to wonder if that video clip was contrived (Oyama5.avi). Also, why is the attacker not blocking? He's got his hands straight up in the air like Oyama has a gun.

You may need to find a new hero.

Defiance · 12-21-2004, 03:46 AM

Do weapons count?

Despite what people can do with one strike and so forth, I've always loved Miyamoto Musashi.

Drake · 12-21-2004, 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by Agent White
Here's som footage of Mas Oyama.

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/Kyokushin.htm

As someone who's trained for most of his life, there's a few things I'd like to point out.

1. One of the scenes where he's sparring, the video is cut to make him look faster. It's so poorly cut that you don't even need to go frame by frame. It's Oyama1.avi and his "opponent" takes a real hollywood swing over his head to facilitate the action.

2. When he's fighting the bull, he's a rope wrapped around his hand that's tied to the bull's nose ring. Anyone could fight a moderately sized bull with that kind of control. That would be like me fighting Royce Gracie but I've got his nuts in a choke chain and he's handcuffed. Even Ron Bluming, one of Oyama's top students, knows that most of this stuff was BS and wrote about it.

3. In one of the sparring clips his student throws two kicks at him while standing full facing for the entire fight. Anyone higher than yellow belt in a sparring martial art knows that this is just suicide, so I have to wonder if that video clip was contrived (Oyama5.avi). Also, why is the attacker not blocking? He's got his hands straight up in the air like Oyama has a gun.

You may need to find a new hero.

Thanks for the info. Something about the tall tales of this dude reaked of bs.

Manowar · 12-21-2004, 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
My vote goes to Mas Oyama. The guy once killed someone with a single punch, fought bulls with his bare hands (and won) and won 300 fights against blackbelts in a row - took him 3 days

"Mas Oyama, in order to show the strength of his karate, tested his strength by fighting raging bulls bare-handed. It was a mismatch from the get-go for the bulls, not for Oyama. In all, he fought 52 bulls, three of which were killed instantly, and 49 had their horns taken off with knife hand blows"

Wow

Drake · 12-21-2004, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
Funny how none of the Karate guys have been able to do SHIT against grapplers with cameras and an audience isn't it?

Helio Gracie would have raped Oyama, all day every day. And wouldn't have broken a sweat doing it.

Myth and legend mean squat. They're built up over time usually about people that have not been documented properly or falsified bs. Let's put this guy in a US arena without tricks, camera editing, and bogus tales of inhuman achievement. Something tells me he would be toast against true fighters...all day every day.

mcmc · 12-21-2004, 04:07 AM

Andy Hug - best K1 Fighter of all times

this kick is still known as "Andy Kick"

http://www.pamalam.ch/andy.html

PHPdude · 12-21-2004, 04:40 AM

I like the picture of the mice boxing, thats cool.

Anthony · 12-21-2004, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by sean416
no mention of KIMBO????????????????

Kimbo go this ass handed to him by Sean Gannon, a Boston Police Officer last month.

Anthony · 12-21-2004, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Vitasoy
And yes thats USA Rulon Gardoner gold medalist greco wresltler in the back...

Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Rulon Gardoner
(Japan/Yoshida Dojo) (USA/Team Quest)

that's gonna be a hell of a good fight!

Our CTO competed against Rulon back in the day and was on the Barcelona Olympic team. Says Rulon is one tough son of a bitch.

Vitasoy · 12-21-2004, 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by mcmc
Andy Hug - best K1 Fighter of all times

He's good, but hes not that good....

oh and RIP.

Vitasoy · 12-21-2004, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony
that's gonna be a hell of a good fight!

Our CTO competed against Rulon back in the day and was on the Barcelona Olympic team. Says Rulon is one tough son of a bitch.

Yea.. Fedor vs NOG 3 is going to be awesome too. :-) I can't wait!

Mr. Jim · 12-21-2004, 12:17 PM

bump for the day

Nas7782 · 12-21-2004, 12:35 PM

Cro-Cop is bad ass

Xenophage · 12-21-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by jimholio
I have a tremendous amount of respect for all of the above mentioned...... and I forget who.....but somebody was mentioning the grapplers dominating....Grappling is straight up brutal when I was still young enough to enjoy getting hit in the head....I trained a little and being on the ground with a good grappler hurts.

The toughest person ever is actually none of the above.......I am sure now that you see him it is SO obvious it is hard to remember .

It is this man right here.........

That is right......

It's Jim from Mutual of Of Omaha's Wild Kingdom

As Marlin stood from a "safe" distance mighty Jim Fowler was running down the globes most fearce game battling like two Lion's fighting for control of the pride, Jim from wild kingdom would wrestle the beasts to the ground to be tagged for later observation armed with nothing but his pride and a label maker (and some insane anger management problems stemming from childhood evidently) he was no match for the kings of the African jungles and plains. Be it a Lion, an Anaconda, Aligator, Silverback, or Dragon's

Jim from wild Kingdom was whipping it's ass and letting it know who was fucking boss around this joint and your getting tagged and observed whether you like it ir not bitch.......

So here's to you Jim from Wild Kingdom for showing us that if you really want to be an ass kicking motherfucker....you better be ready to throw down with a Baboon

Tag on Jimbo

Dude that guy is my hero...

bet he liked canned ham as much as I do !

Yankee Scum · 12-21-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Vitasoy
He's good, but hes not that good.... oh and RIP.

lol not that good... LOL he was among the best of the best!

beergood · 12-21-2004, 01:14 PM

Hacksaw could kick all their asses.

american pervert · 12-21-2004, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by jimholio
I have a tremendous amount of respect for all of the above mentioned...... and I forget who.....but somebody was mentioning the grapplers dominating....Grappling is straight up brutal when I was still young enough to enjoy getting hit in the head....I trained a little and being on the ground with a good grappler hurts.

The toughest person ever is actually none of the above.......I am sure now that you see him it is SO obvious it is hard to remember .

It is this man right here.........

That is right......

It's Jim from Mutual of Of Omaha's Wild Kingdom

As Marlin stood from a "safe" distance mighty Jim Fowler was running down the globes most fearce game battling like two Lion's fighting for control of the pride, Jim from wild kingdom would wrestle the beasts to the ground to be tagged for later observation armed with nothing but his pride and a label maker (and some insane anger management problems stemming from childhood evidently) he was no match for the kings of the African jungles and plains. Be it a Lion, an Anaconda, Aligator, Silverback, or Dragon's

Jim from wild Kingdom was whipping it's ass and letting it know who was fucking boss around this joint and your getting tagged and observed whether you like it ir not bitch.......

So here's to you Jim from Wild Kingdom for showing us that if you really want to be an ass kicking motherfucker....you better be ready to throw down with a Baboon

Tag on Jimbo

I will admit he's a crazy guy. Didn't he almost get taken out by an anaconda in a river once?

mcmc · 12-21-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Vitasoy
He's good, but hes not that good.... oh and RIP.

in kyokushinkai-full-contact karate heavy weight:

1987: runner up world championship and european champion
1989: european champion
1991: runner up european championship and in the top eight at the world championships
1992: full-contact karate world champion
WMTC Super Heavy Weight World Champion
UKF Super Heavy Weight World Champion
WKA-Mua-Thay Super Heavy Weight World Champion

he defended all those titles until his sudden death in August, 2000 (leukemia).

RIP Andy san

american pervert · 12-21-2004, 01:31 PM

fuck that kona kai ownes you!

Anthony · 12-21-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by american perv
fuck that kona kai ownes you!

Cobra Kai.

ModelPerfect · 12-21-2004, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Agent White
Here's som footage of Mas Oyama.

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/Kyokushin.htm

As someone who's trained for most of his life, there's a few things I'd like to point out.

1. One of the scenes where he's sparring, the video is cut to make him look faster. It's so poorly cut that you don't even need to go frame by frame. It's Oyama1.avi and his "opponent" takes a real hollywood swing over his head to facilitate the action.

2. When he's fighting the bull, he's a rope wrapped around his hand that's tied to the bull's nose ring. Anyone could fight a moderately sized bull with that kind of control. That would be like me fighting Royce Gracie but I've got his nuts in a choke chain and he's handcuffed. Even Ron Bluming, one of Oyama's top students, knows that most of this stuff was BS and wrote about it.

3. In one of the sparring clips his student throws two kicks at him while standing full facing for the entire fight. Anyone higher than yellow belt in a sparring martial art knows that this is just suicide, so I have to wonder if that video clip was contrived (Oyama5.avi). Also, why is the attacker not blocking? He's got his hands straight up in the air like Oyama has a gun.

You may need to find a new hero.

I personally know several people who were direct students under Mas Oyama. I'd believe their stories over someone just watching a video or trying to read between the lines of a book somewhere. The story about the bull wasn't a fight, but a demonstration of power. How many people could kill a bull by punching it, even if they had complete control over it by the nose ring, balls or whatever? How many people could rip it's horn off? That's what's impressive about the demonstration. I don't claim Oyama to be my "hero" by any means, but I respect his accomplishments and his martial art.

hova · 12-21-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
My vote goes to Mas Oyama. The guy once killed someone with a single punch, fought bulls with his bare hands (and won) and won 300 fights against blackbelts in a row - took him 3 days

amen, it's nice to see I am not the only fan

EZRhino · 12-21-2004, 04:09 PM

wow, bad ass

HughJardon · 12-21-2004, 04:17 PM

by the way he is of korean parents. and some of the clips of him sparring are when he's over 50 years old. and he was not a just a pratitioner of karate but holds a black belt in judo and jui jitsu.

he was adept on the ground as well as striking. with that said i still think steven seagal would have kicked his ass.

SCtyger · 12-21-2004, 06:50 PM

Pai Mei

Vitasoy · 12-21-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Nas7782
Cro-Cop is bad ass

KO artist! The Croatian Sensation!

He and randleman will be having a rematch

Libertine · 12-21-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Agent White
Here's som footage of Mas Oyama.

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/Kyokushin.htm

As someone who's trained for most of his life, there's a few things I'd like to point out.

1. One of the scenes where he's sparring, the video is cut to make him look faster. It's so poorly cut that you don't even need to go frame by frame. It's Oyama1.avi and his "opponent" takes a real hollywood swing over his head to facilitate the action.

2. When he's fighting the bull, he's a rope wrapped around his hand that's tied to the bull's nose ring. Anyone could fight a moderately sized bull with that kind of control. That would be like me fighting Royce Gracie but I've got his nuts in a choke chain and he's handcuffed. Even Ron Bluming, one of Oyama's top students, knows that most of this stuff was BS and wrote about it.

3. In one of the sparring clips his student throws two kicks at him while standing full facing for the entire fight. Anyone higher than yellow belt in a sparring martial art knows that this is just suicide, so I have to wonder if that video clip was contrived (Oyama5.avi). Also, why is the attacker not blocking? He's got his hands straight up in the air like Oyama has a gun.

You may need to find a new hero.

It is a well know fact that he rigged stuff for many demonstrations, simply because he didn't want to leave stuff to chance. That may be less than honorable, but it is also a fact that he did many things which to this day haven't been equalled.

Jon Bluming (Jon, not Ron) wrote and said a lot of stuff about many people, most of which is just arrogant bullshit. Like many of the things he says about Anton Geesink or the Gracies, for example. We're talking about the guy who claims the Gracies contributed nothing new to martial arts here

As for fighting a bull apparently being easy in your opinion... let's see you do it then. I'm waiting for a video.

It is a simple fact that Mas Oyama fought and won many fights against many fighters from many different disciplines (though not as many as often claimed), that he completely reshaped karate (by adding in elements of, among other things, muay thai and by introducing full contact sparring) and that he was one of the first people to create a framework for mma.

Someone like Kimura (who defeated Helio Gracie), even said that Oyama was one of the only fighters he really feared.

Seriously, if you think Mas Oyama wasn't an extremely good fighter, you took one too many punches in the head

Libertine · 12-21-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by dig420
Funny how none of the Karate guys have been able to do SHIT against grapplers with cameras and an audience isn't it?

Helio Gracie would have raped Oyama, all day every day. And wouldn't have broken a sweat doing it.

Helio Gracie got his ass handed to him by Kimura, and Kimura said he himself couldn't beat Oyama.

Think of Oyama this way: he was a really good striker (not just from karate, he had also practiced boxing and later on took inspiration from muay thai), who also had extensive experience in grappling.

ModelPerfect · 12-21-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by HughJardon
by the way he is of korean parents. and some of the clips of him sparring are when he's over 50 years old. and he was not a just a pratitioner of karate but holds a black belt in judo and jui jitsu.

he was adept on the ground as well as striking. with that said i still think steven seagal would have kicked his ass.

I sincerely hope that was a joke.

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Agent White Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 141	Here's som footage of Mas Oyama. http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/Kyokushin.htm As someone who's trained for most of his life, there's a few things I'd like to point out. 1. One of the scenes where he's sparring, the video is cut to make him look faster. It's so poorly cut that you don't even need to go frame by frame. It's Oyama1.avi and his "opponent" takes a real hollywood swing over his head to facilitate the action. 2. When he's fighting the bull, he's a rope wrapped around his hand that's tied to the bull's nose ring. Anyone could fight a moderately sized bull with that kind of control. That would be like me fighting Royce Gracie but I've got his nuts in a choke chain and he's handcuffed. Even Ron Bluming, one of Oyama's top students, knows that most of this stuff was BS and wrote about it. 3. In one of the sparring clips his student throws two kicks at him while standing full facing for the entire fight. Anyone higher than yellow belt in a sparring martial art knows that this is just suicide, so I have to wonder if that video clip was contrived (Oyama5.avi). Also, why is the attacker not blocking? He's got his hands straight up in the air like Oyama has a gun. You may need to find a new hero.

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