12clicks

and here I thought rhizome hated me.

you left out the part about us giving everyone 2 months notice and paying in full before we closed the program.

hey, if there is ever money to be made in those things you mentioned, you can bet I'll jump into them.

Gary

Rawlikesushi, what about blindlinks.com?

Wizzo

Ahhh...Raw Like Sushi....Those were the days...

JJJ

I am still pissed at 12 clicks for closing all those programs


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Kimmykim

By jove, someone else got it!

As for you Gary, I don't mind you staring at my ass as long as you on your hands and knees scrubbing my floors.

Gary

Well, that goes without saying.

CDSmith

Kimmy, can I do the area under your desk?

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blindlinks, rawlikesushi, yeah those were the days. There was a time when I propped up every tgp on the net with those 2 programs.

Gary

Now they've all been forced to push dialers and free paysites, boy times have changed

Kimmykim

Just don't throw 12clicks out by mistake, I keep him under there to rub my feet and supervise Gary's cleaning.

Gary

Boy, your (our) house is one messed up freaky place.

TheFLY

I used to push craptraffic and two other blind programs... One of them was with Standard Internet Corp... or something spelled SIC -- I dunno... I didn't do as well with Raw Like Sushi... from what I remember the rules were you had to use one of the approved buttons or banners, right?

Anyway I saw the light one day on the Condom Project when someone said that blind programs are a waste of your money -- you can code it all yourself, target the traffic better, and keep the money for yourself...

That was about the time though that I started kicking ass -- I had all this traffic and couldn't make any money with it -- those blind programs sure made it easy... I had no idea what converting traffic meant then... I could barely do 1:2000 -- it was horrible. after I left the blind programs was about the time I found out about Amateur Pages... Woohoo!


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Arab! Gary run him outta town!!!

Gary

Hang on, i gotta gather some rocks.

Kimmykim

"I had all this traffic and couldn't make any money with it -- those blind programs sure made it easy... I had no idea what converting traffic meant then... I could barely do 1:2000 "
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Interesting concept, learning to convert traffic instead of just trying to throw more and more away every day

Gary, you bring those rocks in the house and you're going out in the garage in the scorpion boxes.

Gary

Must you always threaten me with the scorpions?

LisaMarie

hey Sleazy

I'll be there for sure babe!
trying to work a few sponsor deals right now



for those that think it's a joke, I can assure you, it's not!

Sleazy took care of the set-up last time (unfortunately I wasn't able to make it)
but I'm working my ass off this time
hehehe

sorry I wasn't here sooner
J just told me about it
I'm not here that often



can't wait! should be a BLAST!!

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SleazyDream

Thank you Lisa! I'm looking forward to meeting you in person.

Kimmykim

Me? Threaten? Call for backup?

Just cause you live at my house free don't mean you can dog me like that

Gary

Its not free if i have to put up with the constant beatings. (even if i do enjoy them)

wolfshade

Damn Sleazy what part of my earlier posts don't you get?

It's not about TGP players it's the way you posted that first post.

Now let's set a few things straight:

1 In the adult bizz TGP owners are a drop in the barrel. They have a lot of (crap) traffic and surely are NOT big players.

The big players are the ones who convert traffic not just burn bandwidth period.

2 That VIP list is a laugh. I know some of the people on it and most of em are realy nice people but NOT big players.

Traffic mongers yes big players no

Now for all newbies out there:

Being a big shot in the adult biz is not about overstressed counters due to a traffic overload it's about bank accounts and how much is on them.

Real bigshots are NOT bragging about their accomplishments they are to busy securing even more $$$.

Jealousy has nothing to do with this thread in fact the only reason I posted in here was to make sure nembies know that this is notthe way it works, and certainly not the way REAL BIG PLAYERS behave.

So to sum it up for all newbies that read this:

The ones on that VIp list are notthe big players in the adult bizz today so please ignore the first post in this thread. I'm sure that sleazyDream character doesn't know any better but that is his loss not ours or yours.

Do you realy want to play with the big boys talk to Kimmy and 12clicks they know em all

Now that pretty much says it all I think

Wolfshade


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pornJester

well, i'm having a private party in my hotel room, free Milwaukee's Best for everyone... $300 cover at the door though...

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Okay, I have a few things to add here. In sleazy's defense, he DID say that he's only dealing with the successfuls in the TGP industry, NOT the entire porn industry, right? But (and there's always a but) he also said that his site isn't a TGP!
Something is wrong right there.

Then he went on to say:

Just because you think you're someone doesn't mean you'll get an invitation to this. You will have to ADD to the impressive nature of the guest list to be included

Okay, fair enough. A little elitist, and when I first read it I wondered why he was saying it at all. I mean, what's the point? Go ahead and invite your sweethearts and never mind blabbering about it to people you don't intend on inviting, right? Honestly, if my own TGP was getting 600k per day and I was making uh, twice what I am now I would feel stupid to attend a function where the idiot that put it on had been speaking to my fellow webmasters in such a shitty condescending tone. Do you not know what condescending means sleazy?

(and the guest list IS impressive)

I suppose it all depends on how you look at it. I mean really, TGP-ing isn't rocket science is it? Let's face it, the TGP's we all know and love are impressive, but seeing the faces of the webmasters behind them doesn't do all that much for me really unless they're aquaintances from the boards here or at PC. I'd much rather meet some of the good friends I've made on this here board.


and then only if I feel like it will I extend you an invite (which is unlikely but there's no harm in trying).

Well, if it's your party, I guess you can do what you want with it. Sounds to me like you're implying that some of us should ask you for an invite. Any takers you guys? (asking the entire board) LOL

Think of it like this, after reading the guest list you will know if the people attending this event will want to spend an evening with YOU - not the other way around.

Okay, that remark wasn't necessary, and this is where your post takes a sharp downturn towards a town called egotistical in the state of dumbfuck. You're talking to people that provide a lot of traffic, content and friendship to most of the big TGP's, where do you get off talking to fellow webmasters like this?

example: if you run a site like elephant list, hardcore junky, or interracial porno you are EXACTLY who we want to include and invite. (yes they have been invited... just waiting on their schudules).

Elephant list? So, obviously some talent in the design part of webmastering isn't a prerequisite

if you just started a TGP in the last year this is NOT the event for you and you will not be included.

More unneeded words. Again, your party, do what you must.

Sorry.

I'm not entirely convinced that you're sorry at all. Sorry, just my gut instinct here.

There are dozens of other parties to attend though so don't feel left out and we all would love to meet you.

Well, for one thing, "WE" know that there are other parties, thanks. Your statement should almost include a pat on the head for all the poor newbies you're talking down to.

Feel free to talk to any of the included guests on the convention floor or at any of the other awesome parties and such on those convention days or any other time.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to say that, are you the spokesperson for all of porn? Sounds like you think you are. Here's a wee bit of advice: I see where some webmasters get started, they scratch and claw for hits until they make some friends and get some trades, then they get over 10k per day one day and they start thinking they're good. They keep at it and after a while they get 20k, 30k then 40k per day and they think they're really good. Then one day they're getting 100k, 200, or even 400k per day and SOME OF THEM think they're now somehow a better or more important person than everyone else. They snub their noses at the little guys, they turn away small trades because they only deal in high volume shit traffic, and they forget what it was like when they were a newbie.

I pity guys with this type of attitude. You are speaking to a lot of webmasters here, and some of us have a hell of a lot more going on than running a TGP. The fact that instead of just telling the board about your party you decided to come off like an elitist schmuck says alot about you. And dude, I'd tell you this even if I was your close friend, which I'm not. Am I pissed that you didn't invite me? Not hardly, it's about the delivery, not the message itself.

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amen!

i wish i had the patients to write a long post ;/

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The Truth

I wasn't gonna post in this thread until I saw mention of raw like sushi.... That program was the shiziznit !!!

I remember JJJ had a doorway page with nothing but every approved sushi link on it

One of my first TGP's had more sushi links on it then it did trades. I shed a heavy tear when that shut down.

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LisaMarie

I hear ya Truth!

as for wolfshade...
I think what you said bites!

you probably don't even KNOW those people

not that it matters...but it's one thing to cock someone off about what they post
it's QUITE ANOTHER to call everyone on that list "Traffic mongers"!

I'm not NEARLY as big as some of those guys, and I'm definately not a TRAFFIC MONGER!

not that your opinion matters much to me

Juge

Well said, CD Smith.

LisaMarie

and thanks for clearing that up CD
he DID say TGP's not the ENTIRE PORN INDUSTRY

and looking at that list, yeah, most of the big boys in the TGP world WILL be there

LisaMarie

to quote Wolfshade...

"Do you realy want to play with the big boys talk to Kimmy and 12clicks they know em all"

well, maybe those people ARE big boys (nobody's saying they aren't)
this thread is about TGP big boys
you obviously misunderstood what he said and what the TITLE of the thread is called

Who's Who TGP VIP Party

it doesn't say "Who's Who in the ADULT INDUSTRY Party - there's a BIG difference!

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Gary

So is it current main players in the adult industry or tgp industry. Cause, i'm no player in the tgp industry, but i can still squeek out 100k uniques by breakfast.

Hey, that means im one of the main players in the adult industry, wow, someone should have told me.

Amputate Your Head

Do you not like us?

LisaMarie

do you mean Miller or those Milwaukee's Best Midget Pickles?



I'm in Wisconsin, so you're going to have to clear that up for me
(too much Milwaukee stuff floating around)

speaking of that...
NOBODY EAT THE RED LICORICE!

lol

Tired Eyes

CDSmith, that reads more like a Supreme Court opinion (Warren court, not Rhenquist)than a post...fine summation...
CDSmith, GFY's own Oliver Wendell Holmes!

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TheFLY

This thread cracks me up...

Why don't we just measure our cocks and get it over with...

Or we can arm wrestle... after reading CD's employment history I think he can probably rip my arm off like in that movie "TheFLY" Hahah...



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Bobby

SleazyDream just tell me that I'm invited to this big party :-)

Thanks Sleazy

Bobby
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SleazyDream

Bobby, you don't even have to ask that. You're in.

Bobby

I know Sleazy Thanks

Bobby

Bobby

I know Sleazy Thanks

Bobby

magnatique

I heard from kimmy kim that 12clicks knew some of the Bigger players BETTER than anyone...

Especially one of those that run some small amateur site, and a small Message board... oh. he also have some kind of cleansing type of software around...

that's just rumors though..

12clicks

"TGP big boys" is an oxymoron

Tucks

Hey, per whois freepicseries has only been around for 9 months. I thought you said "if you just started a TGP in the last year this is NOT the event for you and you will not be included. " What gives?

(Not fucking with you Bobby, just waiting to see if this guy is ever gonna say "Sorry for acting like an ass in my first post")



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Kimmykim

Gee I missed the oxy when I first read that lol

Someone can call up all the reserves they want to and get them to post but the bottom line doesn't change. Go wipe the shit off your shoes Sleazy and apologize to the people on this board that you insulted with your egotistical drivel and the justification you tried to use to support it.

I don't mean apologize to me, 12clicks, or even my houseboy Gary --

I mean the webmasters who work hard and bust their ass trying to make a living in this business while keeping their egos in check and making alliances, not stupid statements.

One day you're going to find that many of them have more traffic and more power than you and you just might need them to invite you to dinner.

Crossing people and making enemies in this business is not a good idea -- no one started at the top but there are those that will still get there.

Now be a nice boy and do the right thing.

Gary

Houseboy? Thats a fancy name for male whore. LOL

Kimmykim

For someone that can't spell you sure do have a nice sized vocabulary

Gary

I'm hooked on phonics.

Kimmykim

Funny I'd have figured you to be hukd on fonix

SleazyDream

Re: Kimmykim

Why are you soo offended? I didn't intend to piss you off? I'm holding this dinner and show evening to help the people who have helped me. There are a few others out there that have helped me to get where i am that I don't know, and this message board was used as a venue to get the word out to them. It worked too, as I found several. If you are not in the TGP business then this isn't your crowd. If your a TGP submitter then you are someone who TGPs depend on but this event isn't for submitters. I want to keep this event reasonably small - they are dozens of other parties at vegas with crowds of people attending that will let anyone come. Why not go to one of them? May I also I suggest maybe you hold you own dinner and pay for it all (like I do for my guests).
Good luck with you ventures.

Amputate Your Head

Sleazy... it wasn't the fact that you're holding an event/gathering/whatever for people you wanna schmooze... it's the fact that you totally put on the "I'm fuckin' better than you'll ever be" attitude towards everyone who you deem unworthy of attendance. We understand that it is for a targeted group. But talkin' down to people who are trying just as hard as you is not only a bad idea... it's just plain shitty on your part. That, and the fact that you're unable to recognize it is why everyone is so offended and pissed off.

SleazyDream

I think maybe someone is jealous. Do you go to Vegas? If so let me know and I'll buy you lunch to make up for your hurt feelings.

Amputate Your Head

Jealous??? You've got to be kidding. I've been to Vegas more times than you will ever know. I know that fuckin' town like the back of my hand. Get a grip idiot.