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Dirty F · 10-12-2001, 10:17 AM

Me and my buddy were talking today about cc processors. We were seriously wondering why anybody would use CCbill or Ibill.

Their stats are down ever other day. They scrub cards like hell. Their webmaster and affiliate pages are pathetic, like they were made 10 years ago on a c64. Their customer service is terrible...uhm i mean TERRIBLE.
(except for Kimmy)

The only conlusion we could come up with is that people use them because they are big...
Is this true?
Tell me why you use them for your paysite.

Gary · 10-12-2001, 10:19 AM

Who else you gonna use? Epoch? LOL Globill? Sure, they are good, but are they gonna be in business in 6 months.

Or maybe do your own processing, but then you might want to look up VIP-ID.com and what happened to them.

Dirty F · 10-12-2001, 10:29 AM

I heard bad stories about Epoch.
Personally i use Globill for almost a year now and never had a single problem with them.

So people use them because they are afraid to use the smaller companies?

Gary · 10-12-2001, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss:
I heard bad stories about Epoch.
Personally i use Globill for almost a year now and never had a single problem with them.

So people use them because they are afraid to use the smaller companies?

Of course. I'm not worried about ccbill or ibill going out of business.

Amputate Your Head · 10-12-2001, 10:33 AM

Epoch should not even be a consideration.... not even as a passing thought. Been down that road... and I got ass raped by a tribe of ass-rapers... or something.

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Gary · 10-12-2001, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Epoch should not even be a consideration.... not even as a passing thought. Been down that road... and I got ass raped by a tribe of ass-rapers... or something.

Ya, my ass still hurts also from those bastards

goodgirl · 10-12-2001, 10:42 AM

Battuss what is the sponsor for the globill, Right now I only have one I use with globill. I would like to find others.

thanks
gg

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JackFoley · 10-12-2001, 10:46 AM

Battuss uses them as a processor for his paysite... and I think you already use NSCash, right? I'm not sure what else is out there.

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goodgirl · 10-12-2001, 10:52 AM

Yes I do

Thanks

gg

[Labret] · 10-12-2001, 11:04 AM

Because iBill has paid me on time every time like clockwork without a single problem for almost 4 years.

Cant say the same for Epoch, Sypro, DMR, and any number of other jackoff processors that has gone out of business or owes alot of money to alot of people.

Why work your ass of for a year and then watch all your recurrings go down the shitter because your processor dies?

And like Gary said (never thought I would ever say that) go with someone you know will be around in 6 months.

Amputate Your Head · 10-12-2001, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]:
And like Gary said (never thought I would ever say that)...

You have seen the light my child... that's one of the 12 Steps ya know...

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Dirty F · 10-12-2001, 11:10 AM

And that they have problems almost everyday is nothing to worry about?

quiet · 10-12-2001, 11:13 AM

been dealing with Ibill since late 1997 - never once had a problem with being paid, or hold backs.

But these past couple of days have sucked. My cust serv can't access cmi, though it appears (and ibill is trying to assure us) that all first time's are being processed normally.

they problems they've been having are almost exclusively related to the cmi, except for short outages. I hope it stays that way...

Phil21 · 10-12-2001, 11:18 AM

Chargebacks. That's why.

You'd be dropped from your bank like a bad habit, within 2 months. Since you won't be doing any sort of volume, the bank won't like taking on that sort of risk.

iBill and ccbill I would assume have strong relationships with some banks, so they are not in danger of being dropped. Their volume is enough for banks to justify the added risk, and they probably charge more for that fact. I'm sure ibills and ccbills chargebacks are over industry standard (something like 1%+ is considered a red flag usually), although I could be mistaken. I'm sure they take a lot of precautionary steps to ensure chargebacks won't become a huge problem.

If you're thinking about doing your own processing on a porn site.. all I can say is good luck, you'll need it.

That said, I don't understand why some small companies use processors like ccbill & ibill.. they get anally raped by the percentage fees, and could do much better with a minor investment with a "real" processor for normal card transactions.

Ah well, should I ever do a porn site, ibill and ccbill is where I shall turn to.

-Phil

[Labret] · 10-12-2001, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss:
And that they have problems almost everyday is nothing to worry about?

Like he said, its largely CMI... who cares so long as signups are being counted. My customer service gets the day off so its all good. My signups have been fine, and rebills are slowly catching up. I dont really see the issue here. Its iBill, they ALWAYS come through. Have for me anyhow.

And I cant believe someone said their support sucks, thats just crazy talk.

Amputate Your Head · 10-12-2001, 11:22 AM

Self processing??? Ha... better have at least 10 large to invest in getting it set up... and then there's no guarantee you're gonna last more than a few weeks at your bank. Which will only cost you more money and down time, and ultimately you'll end up trying to sell the gear on eBay with the rest of them and begging CC Bill or someone to accept you.

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Gary · 10-12-2001, 11:46 AM

es, as labret said, IBILL has great support and i will vouch for ccbill. Not just kimmykim either. I send an email, i get a FAST response, they got a lot of people working around the clock there.

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JackFoley · 10-12-2001, 11:54 AM

Hmm, I've seen just the opposite with CCBill. I was working for a paysite owner and e-mailed support about some tech issues. Never heard back from them. E-mailed again. Still no response. Finally gave up and went elsewhere for help.

Two months later the stats were completely fucked in the webmaster area, reporting 0 sales for the whole week. I knew e-mailing them wouldn't work so I called the 1-800 number. The support guy basically lied to me and said they were fixing the stats as we spoke. The next day the stats were still fucked. I call again, get a different support guy, and get a different excuse for why the stats aren't working.

Needless to say, I didn't like CCBill much after that.

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10-12-2001, 10:17 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	ibill? ccbill? Me and my buddy were talking today about cc processors. We were seriously wondering why anybody would use CCbill or Ibill. Their stats are down ever other day. They scrub cards like hell. Their webmaster and affiliate pages are pathetic, like they were made 10 years ago on a c64. Their customer service is terrible...uhm i mean TERRIBLE. (except for Kimmy) The only conlusion we could come up with is that people use them because they are big... Is this true? Tell me why you use them for your paysite.

10-12-2001, 10:19 AM	#2
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Who else you gonna use? Epoch? LOL Globill? Sure, they are good, but are they gonna be in business in 6 months. Or maybe do your own processing, but then you might want to look up VIP-ID.com and what happened to them.

10-12-2001, 10:29 AM	#3
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I heard bad stories about Epoch. Personally i use Globill for almost a year now and never had a single problem with them. So people use them because they are afraid to use the smaller companies?

10-12-2001, 10:33 AM	#5
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Epoch should not even be a consideration.... not even as a passing thought. Been down that road... and I got ass raped by a tribe of ass-rapers... or something. ------------------ Just another monkey with a computer.

10-12-2001, 10:42 AM	#7
goodgirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the monitor since 1988 Posts: 1,679	Battuss what is the sponsor for the globill, Right now I only have one I use with globill. I would like to find others. thanks gg ------------------ Good Girls Swallow TGP Good Girls Clean Gallery List Eraser Cash Synergy Design & Technologies

10-12-2001, 10:46 AM	#8
JackFoley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pac-land Posts: 858	Battuss uses them as a processor for his paysite... and I think you already use NSCash, right? I'm not sure what else is out there. ------------------ Plenty of wheat to go around.

10-12-2001, 10:52 AM	#9
goodgirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the monitor since 1988 Posts: 1,679	Yes I do Thanks gg

10-12-2001, 11:04 AM	#10
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Because iBill has paid me on time every time like clockwork without a single problem for almost 4 years. Cant say the same for Epoch, Sypro, DMR, and any number of other jackoff processors that has gone out of business or owes alot of money to alot of people. Why work your ass of for a year and then watch all your recurrings go down the shitter because your processor dies? And like Gary said (never thought I would ever say that) go with someone you know will be around in 6 months.

10-12-2001, 11:10 AM	#12
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	And that they have problems almost everyday is nothing to worry about?

10-12-2001, 11:13 AM	#13
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	been dealing with Ibill since late 1997 - never once had a problem with being paid, or hold backs. But these past couple of days have sucked. My cust serv can't access cmi, though it appears (and ibill is trying to assure us) that all first time's are being processed normally. they problems they've been having are almost exclusively related to the cmi, except for short outages. I hope it stays that way...

10-12-2001, 11:18 AM	#14
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	Chargebacks. That's why. You'd be dropped from your bank like a bad habit, within 2 months. Since you won't be doing any sort of volume, the bank won't like taking on that sort of risk. iBill and ccbill I would assume have strong relationships with some banks, so they are not in danger of being dropped. Their volume is enough for banks to justify the added risk, and they probably charge more for that fact. I'm sure ibills and ccbills chargebacks are over industry standard (something like 1%+ is considered a red flag usually), although I could be mistaken. I'm sure they take a lot of precautionary steps to ensure chargebacks won't become a huge problem. If you're thinking about doing your own processing on a porn site.. all I can say is good luck, you'll need it. That said, I don't understand why some small companies use processors like ccbill & ibill.. they get anally raped by the percentage fees, and could do much better with a minor investment with a "real" processor for normal card transactions. Ah well, should I ever do a porn site, ibill and ccbill is where I shall turn to. -Phil

10-12-2001, 11:22 AM	#16
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Self processing??? Ha... better have at least 10 large to invest in getting it set up... and then there's no guarantee you're gonna last more than a few weeks at your bank. Which will only cost you more money and down time, and ultimately you'll end up trying to sell the gear on eBay with the rest of them and begging CC Bill or someone to accept you. ------------------ Just another monkey with a computer.

10-12-2001, 11:46 AM	#17
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	es, as labret said, IBILL has great support and i will vouch for ccbill. Not just kimmykim either. I send an email, i get a FAST response, they got a lot of people working around the clock there. ------------------ Like strippers? I used to spend all my welfare check on strippers, now i just go to strippers.com. Start promoting it to more horny bastards like myself. Strippers.com webmasters

10-12-2001, 11:54 AM	#18
JackFoley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pac-land Posts: 858	Hmm, I've seen just the opposite with CCBill. I was working for a paysite owner and e-mailed support about some tech issues. Never heard back from them. E-mailed again. Still no response. Finally gave up and went elsewhere for help. Two months later the stats were completely fucked in the webmaster area, reporting 0 sales for the whole week. I knew e-mailing them wouldn't work so I called the 1-800 number. The support guy basically lied to me and said they were fixing the stats as we spoke. The next day the stats were still fucked. I call again, get a different support guy, and get a different excuse for why the stats aren't working. Needless to say, I didn't like CCBill much after that. ------------------ Plenty of wheat to go around.