Am I outdated for still using tables? Whats the advantage to CSS? - GoFuckYourself.com

Young · 12-14-2004, 07:21 PM

I'm still using tables. I hear all this great stuff about CSS but nobody really elaborates. Is it easier? How would I be able to incorporate it with my Photoshop/Image Ready Sliced layouts?

Would somebody be able to show me a site done in CSS? I spent all this money on Dreamweaver I'm wondering if I should invest the time into learning CSS.

crockett · 12-14-2004, 07:23 PM

I think the bad rap on tables is way over hyped.. I have a few number 1 spots on good keywords with sites using tables. Designing an entire site with CSS is way too much trouble IMO.

FuckFind · 12-14-2004, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett
I think the bad rap on tables is way over hyped.. I have a few number 1 spots on good keywords with sites using tables. Designing an entire site with CSS is way too much trouble IMO.

trouble because we haven't mastered it, is more efficient in the end.

tables arent outdated by any means, will take some more time for sure, but start checkin out css, i think it'll dominate in due time.

FF

Intrigue · 12-14-2004, 07:33 PM

After you get the hang of it, it's generally easier then using tables, although occasionally your not left with much of a choice due to retarded browsers like ie not rendering shit right. In the end you get a cleaner end product, and it's easier to maintain since if you do it right you can change the entire layout, globally, just by editing your stylesheets.

I used to use a shitload of tables in just about everything, once i got the hang of css / divs / etc... i haven't really looked back. Sure it's a bit confusing at first, but after a while you'll just appreciate not having to write out all of those tr's td's rowspanning and other bullshit that comes along w/ tables.

Damian_Maxcash · 12-14-2004, 07:33 PM

I dont think I could find a descent site done just in CSS with no tables

Im using CSS for some things but as for replacing tables.... It wont happen....

Something else will come along before that day

tyler86ed · 12-14-2004, 07:34 PM

CSS is the future. I don't think for graphic intensive sites like adult, it will be going that direction anytime soon though. The advantage of CSS is the different platforms and media that it can be viewed over (PDA's, Palms, etc). I don't think it tables are outdated yet, I'd bet there are many mainstream designers that disagree with me. As for myself, i'm not profecient enough for it to be profitable, so everyone gets tables

It took me about 8 hours to make my first all css layout, something I can do in Photoshop and DW in 15 mins. Thats just bad business.

dirtysouth · 12-14-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuckFind
trouble because we haven't mastered it, is more efficient in the end.

tables arent outdated by any means, will take some more time for sure, but start checkin out css, i think it'll dominate in due time.

FF

Agreed. I've bought all the books & studied all the online resources over the past 2 weeks or so because I want to get a really good grasp of it.

dirtysouth · 12-14-2004, 07:36 PM

Someone was selling a really nice 100% CSS layout here the other day. Can't find the thread ATM.

NiteRain · 12-14-2004, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett
I think the bad rap on tables is way over hyped.. I have a few number 1 spots on good keywords with sites using tables. Designing an entire site with CSS is way too much trouble IMO.

I am doing the web manager right now using CSS, I must admit starting it, is hard, but after you get down your look and what will get what, it gets easier.

Paul Waters · 12-14-2004, 08:42 PM

CSS is the future.

But it won't hit it big until CSS3 is adopted.

Microshits IE lags in complience, but Firefox should be making them scared.

A hint of what CSS can do.....

....you can have layers by using a z-axis.

Imagine creating a single menu button, and just lay the varying text over it using html and css.

StuartD · 12-14-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by damian2001
I dont think I could find a descent site done just in CSS with no tables

Im using CSS for some things but as for replacing tables.... It wont happen....

Something else will come along before that day

I agree.

Stephen · 12-14-2004, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by tyler86ed
CSS is the future. I don't think for graphic intensive sites like adult, it will be going that direction anytime soon though. The advantage of CSS is the different platforms and media that it can be viewed over (PDA's, Palms, etc). I don't think it tables are outdated yet, I'd bet there are many mainstream designers that disagree with me. As for myself, i'm not profecient enough for it to be profitable, so everyone gets tables It took me about 8 hours to make my first all css layout, something I can do in Photoshop and DW in 15 mins. Thats just bad business.

Agreed

Paco, of Large Cash. · 12-14-2004, 09:05 PM

It is an logical solution when optimizing webpages - it reduces the your HTML/code by replacing redundant tags with a few lines within the style command.
Less bandwidth=more profit making it

xclusive · 12-14-2004, 09:08 PM

i love it's potential but i will use tables for now...

chodadog · 12-14-2004, 09:16 PM

What major sites are using a 100% CSS layout? I'm interested in checking out how it all works. I've honestly not given it very much consideration.

EntreNous · 12-14-2004, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by damian2001
I dont think I could find a descent site done just in CSS with no tables

Im using CSS for some things but as for replacing tables.... It wont happen....

Something else will come along before that day

Stop Design - No tables.

Looks pretty damn good to me

Paco, of Large Cash. · 12-14-2004, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
What major sites are using a 100% CSS layout? I'm interested in checking out how it all works. I've honestly not given it very much consideration.

That is an not an easy order to call up.
I would love to check one out; if anyone spots a link, please post.

EntreNous · 12-14-2004, 09:30 PM

look up

EntreNous · 12-14-2004, 09:35 PM

Load up the stopdesign.com page and the developer plugin for firefox. click edit css and watch in real time just how powerful css can be.

Damian_Maxcash · 12-14-2004, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by EntreNous
Stop Design - No tables.

Looks pretty damn good to me

That is nice......

But its a site about CSS standards

CNN, ZDNet etc are developed by some pretty hot developers (I assume) and they all use tables

What do they know that we dont?

EntreNous · 12-14-2004, 09:48 PM

They're just lazy.

CNN could be done in just css and would look exactly the same.

If you look at some examples (the image header one for example)
here:

Cool CSS tips

you start to see some real potential for css. To update a site instantly by changing a couple of css files rather than hundreds of html files is the key to css.

rannor080 · 12-14-2004, 10:00 PM

all designers used CSS. it's important! more easier just try to master it! i love ussing that...

uhhwhat · 12-14-2004, 10:34 PM

i am pretty sure most seo geekazoids will tell you the higher human readable text to code text ratio is better for search engine optimization. with css you reduce the code text quite a bit, even more if you stuff stuff (huh?) in an external css file. here is sitepoint spam article for css book that surprise, is chocky full of tables made in css http://www.sitepoint.com/article/uto...ing-tables-css they have a free download lesson that i got that i read when i can't sleep...

uhhwhat · 12-14-2004, 10:39 PM

oh yeah with css you can make table borders with dotted or broken lines. for some strange reason that gives me wood

Wiggles · 12-14-2004, 10:44 PM

i use a combination right now since i haven't mastered css yet, but its pretty sweet man.

Top Jimmy · 12-14-2004, 10:45 PM

Hiding seo text is also easy using css.

The surfer won't see it, the spider will.

Use a linked css file though. You should only used linked anyway 'cause then you can just change the one file instead of "find and replace"

RightHandMan · 12-14-2004, 11:18 PM

Or you can Design like me and use SSi (server side includes) for the basis of your designs....

Voodoo · 12-14-2004, 11:21 PM

Until Photoshop slices into a css layouts, fuck it.

Young · 12-14-2004, 11:54 PM

Thanks all. I was almost going to run out and get myself a book on CSS but fuck it, I'm having a hard enough time learning PHP. Guess I'll be sticking with tables until it goes the way of the Frame.

nmcog · 12-15-2004, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Young
Thanks all. I was almost going to run out and get myself a book on CSS but fuck it, I'm having a hard enough time learning PHP. Guess I'll be sticking with tables until it goes the way of the Frame.

You use PHP in your galleries?

12-14-2004, 07:21 PM	#1
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	Am I outdated for still using tables? Whats the advantage to CSS? I'm still using tables. I hear all this great stuff about CSS but nobody really elaborates. Is it easier? How would I be able to incorporate it with my Photoshop/Image Ready Sliced layouts? Would somebody be able to show me a site done in CSS? I spent all this money on Dreamweaver I'm wondering if I should invest the time into learning CSS. __________________ ★★★

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	I think the bad rap on tables is way over hyped.. I have a few number 1 spots on good keywords with sites using tables. Designing an entire site with CSS is way too much trouble IMO. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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tyler86ed Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 543	CSS is the future. I don't think for graphic intensive sites like adult, it will be going that direction anytime soon though. The advantage of CSS is the different platforms and media that it can be viewed over (PDA's, Palms, etc). I don't think it tables are outdated yet, I'd bet there are many mainstream designers that disagree with me. As for myself, i'm not profecient enough for it to be profitable, so everyone gets tables It took me about 8 hours to make my first all css layout, something I can do in Photoshop and DW in 15 mins. Thats just bad business. __________________ Check out all our new fresh FETISH sites, Tons of hosted galleries and fresh new content. Last edited by tyler86ed; 12-14-2004 at 07:35 PM..

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Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	CSS is the future. But it won't hit it big until CSS3 is adopted. Microshits IE lags in complience, but Firefox should be making them scared. A hint of what CSS can do..... ....you can have layers by using a z-axis. Imagine creating a single menu button, and just lay the varying text over it using html and css. __________________ Paul

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Paco, of Large Cash. Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: --> . <-- Posts: 2,267	It is an logical solution when optimizing webpages - it reduces the your HTML/code by replacing redundant tags with a few lines within the style command. Less bandwidth=more profit making it Last edited by Paco, of Large Cash.; 12-14-2004 at 09:06 PM..

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Intrigue Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ohio, US Posts: 662	After you get the hang of it, it's generally easier then using tables, although occasionally your not left with much of a choice due to retarded browsers like ie not rendering shit right. In the end you get a cleaner end product, and it's easier to maintain since if you do it right you can change the entire layout, globally, just by editing your stylesheets. I used to use a shitload of tables in just about everything, once i got the hang of css / divs / etc... i haven't really looked back. Sure it's a bit confusing at first, but after a while you'll just appreciate not having to write out all of those tr's td's rowspanning and other bullshit that comes along w/ tables.

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Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I dont think I could find a descent site done just in CSS with no tables Im using CSS for some things but as for replacing tables.... It wont happen.... Something else will come along before that day

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dirtysouth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mobtown Posts: 2,613	Someone was selling a really nice 100% CSS layout here the other day. Can't find the thread ATM.

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EntreNous Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: I like to kill things Posts: 38	They're just lazy. CNN could be done in just css and would look exactly the same. If you look at some examples (the image header one for example) here: Cool CSS tips you start to see some real potential for css. To update a site instantly by changing a couple of css files rather than hundreds of html files is the key to css. __________________ I don't have a sig. Look somewhere else.

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Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	Thanks all. I was almost going to run out and get myself a book on CSS but fuck it, I'm having a hard enough time learning PHP. Guess I'll be sticking with tables until it goes the way of the Frame. __________________ ★★★