if they are so great why did they push for .xxx which would stick us all in a cyber getto at $75 a domain ? The only way to truly protect kids on the net is education of parents , that the net isnt a VCR. A group who is suppose to be for our industry and doesnt fully think of the longterm effects of a choice to back .xxx. Truly isnt a group for a industry but a cash grab.

are you high?

every single business decision you've ever made has been a winner right?

yep :thumbsup

Please put aside whatever impression Gary Kremen may have given of ASACP. He's off the board now.

ASACP board seats are NOT open to the highest bidder!

I, for one, didn't pay to be a member of that board. I did however contribute in other ways. It would be a little odd to have someone on the board if they didn't contribute in some way to the organization... Most people with money would rather contribute in that way as far as I can tell.

He just has strong feelings on the matter, which go way back.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=402822&s=

I don't think that whole thread should have blown up as big as it did. It was fucking ridiculous.

No, Tony... ASACP is not a 'cash grab'... if it were I may have stayed (just kidding).

The opinions on both side of the .xxx issue are strong. Agree or disagree with .xxx as you will, but your statement above is as myopic as you claim ASACP to be.

Thats not how it reads on Helmys Xbiz..

Sounds like they actually are by the sounds of that :2 cents:

Regards,

Lee

i agree with you

sure does

http://www.asacp.org :thumbsup

Report CP you fuckers :)

Regards,

Lee

i have reported legitiment child porn to them
the kids ont he site had to been atleast younger than 10
doing sexual things and i was told it was not child porn

and then i tried to sponsor asacp and i was told no because i am not an porn company. I am involved with pills so my money is not welcome

are you saying python didn't contribute to the asacp?

:1orglaugh Thanks! (you bastard)

Actually, DollarMachine did, but seperately, and after I joined the board. I joined as 'Aly' not 'Alyfrompython'.

Thas okay slut :thumbsup

Even though i think some of the political games ASACP members have started playing in the last couple of years are BS i still fully support the job the organization is doing for the industry by way of getting rid of CP :)

Regards,

Lee

I completely agree. :thumbsup

In that case.. show us yer titties :Graucho

On a serious note though, what should we put you down for in Vegas as part of the Gay Webmaster Bash Dinner, Luncheon or, Breakfast?

Regards,

Lee

First Aly congrats on AVN I know you will do greats things there. :) Secondly the only people that want .xxx are the big players not because they care about kids its because they figure it will push out the little guy but they dont think . A writing campaign got Bill Maher off the air at ABC. You dont think a christian right letter campaign to AOL ,EarthLink to block the .xxx wont happen. Your kidding me right. lol Then some right wing senator seeking reelection pushes for a law to block .xxx in the USA and the its not fair rule doesnt work for these things. Also if you think porn buyers will stand up for us thats funny also They are having senate hearing on porn addiction , why make it easy for them to fuck with us? They are not going to respect us no matter how many times we say we care about kids and then put models in pigtails with stuff toys and lolipops.

Thanks Tony. I'm not saying I disagree with you about any of that, I'm just saying that being on one side or another of that particular issue surely doesn't make ASACP lose all credibility.

I can agree on that :)

Breakfast, darling... Anyone who's eating breakfast at Internext is serious in my books! :thumbsup

You got it sweetheart :thumbsup

Now, about those tittie pics :Graucho

Regards,

Lee

Whatever problems it may have, it is hard to find fault with an organization dedicated to eliminating child pornography. That's why I will always support ASACP. And if somebody (like Steve Lightspeed) would like to start another organization with the same goals, I will probably support them too. But of course it is best if we all work together.

B

Too bad everyone's using my herding cats phrase like dollar bills at a strip club, since it would be most appropriate in this case.

But I'll repeat another of my worn out little bon mots , which goes like this...

Q. Eleven webmasters are standing in the lobby of the Venetian during Internext, an hour after they agreed to meet. Are they still standing there because they can't figure out where to go for dinner, or because they're still waiting on one more latester to join them so they can go?










A. Both.

:1orglaugh So true!

Though I guess standing around for 2 hours might be better than sitting through 4 at an ass and brain numbing face feeding ;)

Agreed!

Agreed!

ALY for the record I didn't mean to imply that you had stepped down because of this incident... I knew about your resignation long ago... just to make more drama I posted that.

Much love girl

RInaldo

I am not on the Board, not a big player but a long term supporter of ASACP not because they are perfect, no organization is, but because they are trying to do the right thing.

We pay annual dues and feel it is a trivial investment in the industry as a whole.

Aly I confess to worshipping you, I consider Joan an asset to the industry and we will continue to support ASACP.

Oh and yes if I was needed and could offer something of value I would join the board of ASACP.

well it said it would not effect the group themselves so i would think it would be biz as usual

I think that somehow this all comes down to a money thing. When will the audits start to fly?

Okay, here goes a few random thoughts on the various parts of this thread (a rare decently thoughtful thread for GFY, I might add).

First off, Gary put himself in an untenable position, and like all "political" offices, it isn't impropreity, just the appearance thereof that is enough to cost someone their position. For a board member and leader of ASACP to label legal porn as CP in any manner, even in passing, lowers the value of the organization for everyone. Gary's personal opinions of lightspeed and their models is totally Gary's issue. Gary has, IMHO, shown some very poor judgement in this matter.

As for Aly, well, she isn't in any way involved in this, ASACP rules forbid there from being more than one person per oganization, and AVN already is represented. Her stepping down only occured at the same meeting as a matter of record, not as a matter of Gary's situation.

Now, as for ASACP in general. It's a noble idea, with noble goals.

That being said, ASACP should have no position on anything outside of CP. The .XXX discussion has nothing to do with CP, and as such, the organization should have stayed out of it. I feel that there is some major money using the ASACP as a front to voice their personal opinions. .XXX has nothing to do with CP. ASACP, stay out of it.

ASACP should have one goal, one goal only, and that is to report and work to remove CP from the net. Everything else is political reaching and grandstanding, and it takes away from the basic and noble goal of the organization. If you want an organization to promote the adult industry in general, form one. Don't corrupt something that could be so good and so useful.

Alex

Fuck it I say. ASACP sucks at what they do, you send them a clear link with child porn on it and they will tell you there is no problems with it because they are too lazy to click a link. Could be just me but I don't think its worth balls.

"Acceptable practices" according to whom? Who sets the guidelines of what is and what isn't acceptable? You surely aren't saying that he is not responsible and does not have a responsible adult online business? I don't want to put words in your mouth but with this statement this is how I read it. Because we all know that he's been wanting and trying to donate money to ASACP for years but has been denied.

On a side note*

Things are obviously going to spiral out of control, however, when there is a commitee of your peers, shit like this should not happen. If there is a hidden agenda then SHAME on whomever they are!! There'a TON of sick shit in this industry and people tolerate it to a certain degree (most degrees if they are making money from it and fuck you (whoever you are) if you say that you don't!

However, when you are defending the rights of children, mistakes conscious or not like this should never happen. We all know that there has been issues with LS and ASACP forever, but who is anyone to judge and turn away legit funds for a legit program for a legit cause if it is just that "legit"? I would like to know what set of guidelines they are going by and who sets them! I have always been curious, but now I would like an answer, a solid one.

One of the best lines that I read this evening came from Brad/Phoenix "Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely." It makes me sick to my stomach to think that someone/people/commitee/whomever, would use this (cp)fight in such a reprehensible manner (if indeed someone (or persons) personal agenda got in the way of the true fight)!

This is getting tiring, I just had to speak my mind about this whole thing, my concern is that ASACP should be an unbiased organization! And that it continues to fight for children.