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qw12er · 12-12-2004, 04:23 PM

Is there any good PHP compiler ?

anybody have any idea of the benchmarks of a compiled PHP script Vs C++ cgi ?

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 04:53 PM

I'm looking for something like this ... but it's not ready yet.

If you?ve ever wondered if it possible to convert a PHP script into an executable program for a specific operating system then you aren?t alone. A number of projects which do just that were announced on the list this week.

BinaryPHP is a tool than can convert a PHP script to C++ source code that can be compiled with a standard C++ compiler. A ?proof of concept? release is available for download at the web site.

John Coggeshall has been working on a Zend module tentatively called PASM, the Php AsseMbler. His web site contains some preliminary information about the project, with a download expected to be available sometime soon.

Link

Lane · 12-12-2004, 04:54 PM

If the goal is to hide source code, u should look into PHP encoders. Zend has a good one.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
If the goal is to hide source code, u should look into PHP encoders. Zend has a good one.

that ... but mostly execution speed.

Lane · 12-12-2004, 04:57 PM

PHP runs in threads. If you make standalone php executables, they will create new processes each time they run, just like cgi. That is more resource consuming.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 05:02 PM

right, but still C++ is way less resources consuming than PHP... I need to right a cgi that will be called 300 000 times a day. Do you really think it's a option to code it in PHP ?

Babaganoosh · 12-12-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
right, but still C++ is way less resources consuming than PHP... I need to right a cgi that will be called 300 000 times a day. Do you really think it's a option to code it in PHP ?

Absolutely. 300K times a day is nothing. That only comes out to about 3.5 times a second.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Absolutely. 300K times a day is nothing. That only comes out to about 3.5 times a second.

You're seriously telling me that I could build a whole TGP/MGP in PHP ? Why everybody else do it in c++ ?

fuzebox · 12-12-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
You're seriously telling me that I could build a whole TGP/MGP in PHP ? Why everybody else do it in c++ ?

There are several php TGP scripts out there...

300k daily is nothing though, there are sites doing well over a million a day powered by php+mysql backends.

Babaganoosh · 12-12-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
You're seriously telling me that I could build a whole TGP/MGP in PHP ? Why everybody else do it in c++ ?

Not many are doing it in C++. Trade scripts are done in C++ because of the sheer number of times the scripts are executed. TGPs have no reason to be in C++. The real load is going to be due to reading and writing from/to a DB. No TGP should ever be dynamically generated every page view. Have the script generate static HTML.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 05:19 PM

I don't understand ... a compiled application is faster and less resources consuming.

but you guys doesn't seems to think so ... I wonder why. (but I value very much your opinion)

Babaganoosh · 12-12-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
I don't understand ... a compiled application is faster and less resources consuming.

but you guys doesn't seems to think so ... I wonder why. (but I value very much your opinion)

Where did we say it wasn't faster? It really depends on what you're doing. If you're going to be accessing a mysql DB every time the script is executed, writing the script in C++ isn't going to help you much.

To say that C++ is always better than PHP wouldn't be right. I love C++ and I loathe PHP but sometimes PHP is better suited to a particular job.

RichCashMike · 12-12-2004, 05:26 PM

As stated above, a TGP scipt in ANY language should not be generating the entire page from the database on every page view. It should instead generate a static HTML file every time there are changes to it. That being said, if you absolutely need to serve each page dynamically, adding something like the Zend performance suite, or their new product, Canaveral, will help a lot.

Nathan · 12-12-2004, 05:37 PM

Just compiling anything so that it is an executable does not make anything faster. If its written shitty its written shitty.

I bet a compiled version of PHP is simply the php parsed piggy-backing the script(s) and running them in-memory.

Even if it is not that, it still all goes through PHP functions.

Learn C if you want to code something as fast as C.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 05:45 PM

ok basically I want to do a TGP script (in PHP) that collect A LOT of informations on what my surfers do on my site. I want to monitor everything so I'll be able to send targeted traffic, adjust my sponsors etc.

So I want to make everything possible in javascript with cookies to use the surfer computer power as possible. On the onClose event I'll send all the info collected to a script on my server, which should be in C++ (I think, to insert the info in my DB). But I'm not sure of the reliability of such technology (since some ppl disable Javascript and cookies)

bret · 12-12-2004, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
ok basically I want to do a TGP script (in PHP) that collect A LOT of informations on what my surfers do on my site. I want to monitor everything so I'll be able to send targeted traffic, adjust my sponsors etc.

So I want to make everything possible in javascript with cookies to use the surfer computer power as possible. On the onClose event I'll send all the info collected to a script on my server, which should be in C++ (I think, to insert the info in my DB). But I'm not sure of the reliability of such technology (since some ppl disable Javascript and cookies)

no offense, but it sounds like you are in way over your head. my suggestion would be to hire a pro to do your back end for you.

bret · 12-12-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Just compiling anything so that it is an executable does not make anything faster. If its written shitty its written shitty.

I bet a compiled version of PHP is simply the php parsed piggy-backing the script(s) and running them in-memory.

Even if it is not that, it still all goes through PHP functions.

Learn C if you want to code something as fast as C.

nathan. a binary will ALWAYS run faster then a parsed script.

with that being said, i agree with you, if it is effiency he is after C/C++ are amoung his few options.

- Jesus Christ - · 12-12-2004, 06:03 PM

Some middle ground.....

http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/index_old.html

Freakster · 12-12-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
I'll send all the info collected to a script on my server, which should be in C++ (I think, to insert the info in my DB).

Why C++? The bottleneck will be the DB, not the script itself... I'd make a simple php, zend encode it. Pointless to use c++ in that case, imho.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by bret
no offense, but it sounds like you are in way over your head. my suggestion would be to hire a pro to do your back end for you.

I have a degree in CS and a Master degree in e-comm ...

Don't worry for me. I'll get thru. It's just that I haven't planned everything yet so some concept are still blury ...

Sorry but it's frustrating that you think I'm overhead with all the qualifications I have ... I know it's not your fault, but still ...

Freakster · 12-12-2004, 06:19 PM

des qu'on parle pas anglais parfaitement, ils pensent qu'on ne sait pas de quoi on parle.. ne t'en fait pas.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Freakster
des qu'on parle pas anglais parfaitement, ils pensent qu'on ne sait pas de quoi on parle.. ne t'en fait pas.

Yup I know ... but I haven't spoke English for like 4 years now ... so I'm a little bit rusty.

rowan · 12-12-2004, 06:39 PM

Sounds like you're working forwards and trying to anticipate everything... why not just work backwards? Try it using plain old PHP, and see if it works. Refine further.

Using javascript and the onClose event will probably be caught by most popup blockers.

As long as you have a dedicated server with decent specs you shouldn't run into load problems. One of mine has about 150k site loads/320k clicks going through a PHP script daily.

12:39PM up 24 days, 11:33, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.14, 0.15

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Sounds like you're working forwards and trying to anticipate everything... why not just work backwards? Try it using plain old PHP, and see if it works. Refine further.

Using javascript and the onClose event will probably be caught by most popup blockers.

As long as you have a dedicated server with decent specs you shouldn't run into load problems. One of mine has about 150k site loads/320k clicks going through a PHP script daily.

12:39PM up 24 days, 11:33, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.14, 0.15

Now that's info I can use. But if there were a PHP compilator I could use PHP for everything and compile the part that need optimization.

For the Javascript, that's what I'm afraid off ... but on the other hand I can't use a PHP script each and every time somebody click somewhere...

bret · 12-12-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
I have a degree in CS and a Master degree in e-comm ...

Don't worry for me. I'll get thru. It's just that I haven't planned everything yet so some concept are still blury ...

Sorry but it's frustrating that you think I'm overhead with all the qualifications I have ... I know it's not your fault, but still ...

where is your CS degree from? the questions you are asking are really basic stuff.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by bret
where is your CS degree from? the questions you are asking are really basic stuff.

Sherbrooke University Québec, Canada.

If you think my question are about really basic stuff well you might not have understood correctly what I wrote. Most likely to be me who haven't explain correctly what I meat...

rowan · 12-12-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
Now that's info I can use. But if there were a PHP compilator I could use PHP for everything and compile the part that need optimization.

For the Javascript, that's what I'm afraid off ... but on the other hand I can't use a PHP script each and every time somebody click somewhere...

Why? That's how every second trade script works.

On my sites there are actually two scripts running per load, and two scripts running per click. My TGP script is inefficient - it dynamically generates the TGP - but I'm still within the boundaries of acceptable server load. For now.

If you run into load issues with plain PHP then you can upgrade to Zend, which compiles the script to pseudocode so it doesn't need to be parsed for each load. I believe it also does some other funky tricks like caching. The catch is that it will cost $$$.

- Jesus Christ - · 12-12-2004, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
If you run into load issues with plain PHP then you can upgrade to Zend, which compiles the script to pseudocode so it doesn't need to be parsed for each load. I believe it also does some other funky tricks like caching. The catch is that it will cost $$$.

Uh... HELLO!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I'll post it again.

http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/index_old.html

free and faster than Zend.

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Why? That's how every second trade script works. On my sites there are actually two scripts running per load, and two scripts running per click. My TGP script is inefficient - it dynamically generates the TGP - but I'm still within the boundaries of acceptable server load. For now.

If you run into load issues with plain PHP then you can upgrade to Zend, which compiles the script to pseudocode so it doesn't need to be parsed for each load. I believe it also does some other funky tricks like caching. The catch is that it will cost $$$.

so I should code everything that need optimization in C++ in the first place....?

qw12er · 12-12-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Uh... HELLO!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I'll post it again.

http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/index_old.html

free and faster than Zend.

Sorry - Jesus Christ - I missed your post ... My bad

Look very interresting !
Thanks a lot

AdultSite-Review · 12-13-2004, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Lane
If the goal is to hide source code, u should look into PHP encoders. Zend has a good one.

Sorry Lane, but I must have been living under a rock, or actually just don't use much PHP code. But I was under the assumption that the source code (PHP lines) was NOT readable in a browser?

FiReC · 12-13-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by AdultSite-Review
Sorry Lane, but I must have been living under a rock, or actually just don't use much PHP code. But I was under the assumption that the source code (PHP lines) was NOT readable in a browser?

The code isn't readable by viewing source, however if you are going to distribute the script for others to use on their sites, the source would be readable if you didn't encode it with something like zend.

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qw12er Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 799	I'm looking for something like this ... but it's not ready yet. If you?ve ever wondered if it possible to convert a PHP script into an executable program for a specific operating system then you aren?t alone. A number of projects which do just that were announced on the list this week. BinaryPHP is a tool than can convert a PHP script to C++ source code that can be compiled with a standard C++ compiler. A ?proof of concept? release is available for download at the web site. John Coggeshall has been working on a Zend module tentatively called PASM, the Php AsseMbler. His web site contains some preliminary information about the project, with a download expected to be available sometime soon. Link __________________ I have nothing to advertise ... yet.

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Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	If the goal is to hide source code, u should look into PHP encoders. Zend has a good one. __________________

12-12-2004, 04:57 PM	#5
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	PHP runs in threads. If you make standalone php executables, they will create new processes each time they run, just like cgi. That is more resource consuming. __________________

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qw12er Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 799	right, but still C++ is way less resources consuming than PHP... I need to right a cgi that will be called 300 000 times a day. Do you really think it's a option to code it in PHP ? __________________ I have nothing to advertise ... yet.

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qw12er Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 799	I don't understand ... a compiled application is faster and less resources consuming. but you guys doesn't seems to think so ... I wonder why. (but I value very much your opinion) __________________ I have nothing to advertise ... yet.

12-12-2004, 05:26 PM	#13
RichCashMike Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 40	As stated above, a TGP scipt in ANY language should not be generating the entire page from the database on every page view. It should instead generate a static HTML file every time there are changes to it. That being said, if you absolutely need to serve each page dynamically, adding something like the Zend performance suite, or their new product, Canaveral, will help a lot. __________________

12-12-2004, 05:37 PM	#14
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Just compiling anything so that it is an executable does not make anything faster. If its written shitty its written shitty. I bet a compiled version of PHP is simply the php parsed piggy-backing the script(s) and running them in-memory. Even if it is not that, it still all goes through PHP functions. Learn C if you want to code something as fast as C. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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qw12er Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 799	ok basically I want to do a TGP script (in PHP) that collect A LOT of informations on what my surfers do on my site. I want to monitor everything so I'll be able to send targeted traffic, adjust my sponsors etc. So I want to make everything possible in javascript with cookies to use the surfer computer power as possible. On the onClose event I'll send all the info collected to a script on my server, which should be in C++ (I think, to insert the info in my DB). But I'm not sure of the reliability of such technology (since some ppl disable Javascript and cookies) __________________ I have nothing to advertise ... yet.

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Sounds like you're working forwards and trying to anticipate everything... why not just work backwards? Try it using plain old PHP, and see if it works. Refine further. Using javascript and the onClose event will probably be caught by most popup blockers. As long as you have a dedicated server with decent specs you shouldn't run into load problems. One of mine has about 150k site loads/320k clicks going through a PHP script daily. 12:39PM up 24 days, 11:33, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.14, 0.15