not true , there are many other documents that describe the birth of jezus, anyone that knows what they are talking about would know that and not claim the bible is the only info on that subject like you did and keep on doing when I proved you wrong already ....


......you did not watch the documentary or you are plain stupid

I am well aware of the fact that the bible says she never had sex , but I for one know for sure this is not true

she did have sex its that simple, if you had seen the docu you would have know there are also large parts about his mother and about his birth and it is not just about Mary Magdalena

in the documentary it is clearly stated by all the harvard professors that she in fact did have sex and that the virgin mary part and the godly stuff was told so she wouldn't be killed

any idiot knows that you have sex to make babies no different for Mary mother of Jezus

I know it was normal in that time to have sex at age of 13 , this thread was pointed towards the Islam haters that call Mohamed a pedofile when in fact Joseph did the exact same thing

Excellent technique then Fake Nick.. attack Christians and the core Christian set of beliefs to 'get back' or 'educate?' people who are calling Mohammed a child molester...

Well gee, that is sure the message that I get from reading your posts! It is very CLEAR that this is your purpose indeed.. :321GFY

let's face it, you watched a documentary show and got all riled up and wanted to see what kind of reactions you could get from gfy on this whole pedo/virgin/christianity topic

One thing to remember though - (of course, since you are obviously someone with much higher intelligence than the rest of us you must already be aware of this).. documentary's are educational shows based on facts from specific people and tend to be biased in the 'angle' it takes. Yes, they include 'facts', but they are also a ripe ground for OPINION.

Therefore, if you want to do a documentary on George Bush and you're coming from the perspective that George Bush is a great guy, then I'm sure you could produce a quality broadcast that supports your argument.

However, if you want to do a documentary on George Bush and you're coming from the angle that George Bush sucks, then I'm sure again you could produce a quality broadcast that again supports that argument.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

Again, I'm impressed that you managed to make your point about Mohammed so CLEAR throughout this whole thread, rather than leading us to believe that you're just a Christian/Mary hater. Kudos to you, you are of much superior intellect than the rest of us dumb fucks on gfy I suppose... :321GFY

:1orglaugh Of course he is

you never heard of independent films ?

the documentary let all sorts of people speak , but all with knowledge on this case


the people that speak are people that have been investigating these issues for years and years , and teach about them at the best colleges around the world, many of these people are christians themselves, so there basically is no christian bashing in it


Mary mother of Jezus had sex with Joseph age 30 when she was 13 that are the facts , deal with it

if you want to keep on believing she never had sex and it was gods hand that made her pregnant good for you , but thats not how it went down

I for one dont give a fuck about Mary having sex at age 13 with 30 year old Joseph, but I was wondering about what the people who called Mohamed a pedo for doing this exact same thing would say......


......... you obviously cant deal with the trught , and probably still believe in santa claus and that jesus was a white person with bleu eyes when in fact he had a very dark skin dark eyes and black hair , he was most definately not white

if Jezus was born today he would have been dubbed terrorist even if he didnt use force :2 cents:

because basically he did what the insurgents are doing now in Iraq


his country was occupied by the Romans the Usa of that age , all he did was fight the romans , that is all he did all his live

if Ghandi would have been born hundreds of years ago and fought his battle then he would also have been called son of god when all he did was resist an occupying force like Jesus did ,


Ghandi is the Jesus of these times

the same people that believed the earth was flat called Jesus son of god when in fact he is just a normal human like the rest of us


who you going to believe ? modern sience ? or people that think the world is flat ?

Go ahead and list some other historical documents besides the Bible that detail Christ's birth, I'll be waiting. I really don't know where to begin with your post, its almost entirely erroneous. Again, how do you know she was physically impregnated, the Bible says she was immaculately conceived by the Holy Spirit, I suggest you go back and read the gospels and the account of the virgin birth and how the angels descended and told Mary that she was chosen by God to carry the son of man.

<<any idiot knows that you have sex to make babies no different for Mary mother of Jezus >>

You really don't even know the story of Mary's conception and Christ's birth do you? Please before you go on, read the scriptures and do some due diligence. Making that statement above tells me you don't even know the biblical account of Christ's birth. Don't you think that if God planned on bringing his Son as the savior for man that he could do it His way? The biblical account makes it so that you either believe all of it or none of it, you can't take it and spin it around to your liking and only believe in the certain parts you believe makes sense.

You've actually misinterpreted some of the things the professors said in the documentary, I would at least hope you would not based your entire belief system around a documentary, but instead read the scriptures and the thousands of other books and documentaries on the subject.


<<I know it was normal in that time to have sex at age of 13 , this thread was pointed towards the Islam haters that call Mohamed a pedofile when in fact Joseph did the exact same thing>>

Again, this just isn't a comparable situation because Joseph never physically impregnated Mary according to the Gospel writings. Here this might help, http://www.themoorings.org/apologeti...irth/evid.html

What do you mean STILL believe in Santa Claus.. well who doesn't? Haven't you seen the shows on TV man? I mean, they're on TV and they PROVE that Santa Claus exists.. ever seen Miracle on 34th Street? There's your evidence right there!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yknow, I never said whether I believed or not, but still you attack me 'you obviously can't deal with the trught' (presumably that means truth :winkwink: ) It kinda shows exactly where you're coming from.

Maybe you could pick a better time of year to go attacking the validity of Christ.
:2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


I sale short bridge cheap !

I didn't realise there were still idiots that believed mary never had sex with joseph ,


I thought it was generally accepted by both christians and non christians this was a made up story

just like jesus never changed wine into water and he never made the blind people see again , and like he never made people like superman walk again

There is a footnote in the Greek bible from which the St. Jame's version was taken that claims Jesus to have been concieved from the anus of Mary. It has been argued that by scholars that God did not wish to damage Mary's hymen.:thumbsup

I went to christian school so believe me I heard all the stories

, al I can say is that you have to be very THICK to believe that shit ,


pls remember the same people that told you these stories claimed the earth was flat


..........

and yeah , not to forget we did NOT come from monkeys :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


Darwin was just a nutcase with a great marketing scheme

you are all wrong, see proof below who is Jesus and Mary

http://velvet.hu/cikkepek/0412/velvet/beck.jpg

This might be the single most unintelligent comment I've seen posted here. I'm not going to go into a lengthy essay here on the history of belief to show you how incorrect you are with that statement. I'll leave you with this, if you've read anything about Jesus teachings and his life, He doesn't allow you the option to call him a normal human like the rest of us. Jesus preached to thousands claiming He was the Son of God and performing miracles. He talked of his relationship to God and foretold of the heavenly kingdom for all who believe.

Based on all He said and did you can't just call him a normal human like us, He was either an extreme LIAR who was out to deceive thousands, or He was a raving LUNATIC with severe mental impairment, or He was LORD like he claimed to be. You pick one of the three L's, calling him normal just like the rest of mankind just simly isn't an option.

It seems that you have to be either one extreme or the other huh? There can't be a 'balance' in there? I know lots of people who believe in the validity of Christ's immaculate conception and are practising Christians but who ALSO believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.

It IS possible to believe both - (basics below, I'm sure they'll get mocked/flamed though lol)

God created Jesus to die for man's sins so that man could be clean from his sins to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Evolution dictates that the strongest will survive. Why could God not have created this natural order AS WELL as giving us Jesus ?

Fake Nick.. you are obviously very unhappy with the Christian set of beliefs/theory for Jesus. Yknow.. just cos you believe something is one way doesn't mean that everyone else has to believe the same thing.. and just cos people don't agree with you does NOT make them stupid!

It is our humanness that provides us with our diversity, in physicality, mentality and also morality/opinion. Perhaps before you go flaming everyone elses opinions/intelligence you could step back and listen to what you're saying and how you're saying it.

I see Jesus like I see Ghandi , neither really were 'normal' human begins both were exceptional , but both were not son of a god

Ghandi is the Jesus of these times I truly believe that

they both did the exact same thing they fought the occupying force

they were insurgents / terrorists

Ghandi fought the Brits with his sit ins and civil disobedience

Jesus fought the Romans with his words ,

both were not really 'normal' but both were norma in the way they were just humans and not children of a god

if you believe they are you believe in creationism


creationism is for those who feel the need to be superior , I for one am quite comfortable being an animal :2 cents:

offtopic :)

the fact is people who believe mary never had sex are plain stupid

Huh? You didn't realize? You thought it was generally accepted? I can assure you that the overwhelming majority, in excess of 90% of Christians believe in the immaculate conception, its at the very core of the belief. I have no problem with you not believing in the Bible and the details of Christ's life, thats your choice, but it appears by each of your comments that you don't even know what the Bible has to say regarding the issues we are discussing.

Its a bit difficult to have a debate on the subject when we have such differing views on the validity of the main source of information concerning the subject. Its pointless to continue this charade if all your comments are just going to be namecalling and blind presumptions.

not in europe :) over here it is generally accepted that those stories are just bull

Americans make me laugh

Jesus was a great person just like Ghandi was but they both were 'normal' in the way that they were conceived trough sexual intercourse and both their parents were human beings :)

the bible is rewritten many many times ...........



if Jesus was alive today he would laught at you

Again, Jesus teachings didn't allow you to consider him another man and not the Son of God. If you think he wasn't the Son of God, thats fine, but don't make it out that he was some great philosopher, you'd be saying he was an incredible liar who was out to deceive mankind.

that is the made up part

you werent there, you dont know what jesus preached


but you should know that the bible was rewritten many times to suit peoples expectations and one of those was a superior being like god

how can you tell for sure what jesus preached ? you base your claims on a document that has been rewritten hundreds of times

.......

Study Greek and Hebrew and learn to translate and read the earliest biblical writings if you are so concerned with translation rewritings. Dark Jedi, err I mean Fake Nick, is it that difficult for you to understand that people believe something completely different than you? All you've done is namecall and mock and don't provide any definitive sources for your belief other than your own opinion. I'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions over icq, but continuing this circle here seems pointless.

I challenge you to actually do some research and study the earliest writings. What sources did you use to base your beliefs on who you think Jesus was? If you don't believe in the Bible, thats fine, but don't take out certain parts and say you believe only in that one particular passage but not the rest, its either all or none.

you can believe whatever you want ;)


all I am saying is that the document you base your believes on has been rewritten hundreds of times and holds no real truth



Jesus was not a son of god but rather a preacher like many others

Jesus was used by the ones that killed him

the romans killed him and now the capital of his believes is based in their country ?

were you there Fake Nick? Are you thousands of years old now??

yep, the bible has had various versions, and some of the content has been changed - that doesnt' mean that Mary wasn't a virgin when she conceived through God though

How can YOU tell for sure Fake Nick? What are YOUR claims based on?

lazycash - peace man - this guy is totally anti and not exactly open to other people's thoughts/opinions.. not sure it's worth the time it takes to post.. :winkwink:

science :) and common sense :glugglug

and euhm I am not anti Jesus

but only YOU have the rights to those? lazycash and anyone else can't base their opinions/statements on science, common sense and other knowledge ?

Come on.. give it up man lol

You seem to avoid every question I ask, I'll try again. What sources did you use to base your beliefs on who you think Jesus was? If you think the Bible is a total crock, thats fine, I respect your beliefs. However, don't take out certain parts of the Bible to develop your opinion of him being a great philosopher and then call the rest of it pure rubbish.

well, if you claim Jesus was not conceived trough sexual intercourse you dont base that on sience and not on common sense

but rather on a book written by people who believe the earth is flat


I never heard of any scientist that believed that god created jesus


also the hardvar theologist said Jesus was conceived through sex and those were HARVARD men so yeah I believe a Harvard professor before I believe someone name lazycash

but thats just me :)

huh ? ? ? I just anwsered


a / common sense

b / science

c / Harvard professors


:2 cents:

and oh yeah lets not forget


d / Darwin


:glugglug

Just show me where in any of those three there is talk of Jesus teachings that you referred to believing in? Please quit referring to harvard professors as if its in total. I can show you teachers with far more accolades that have documentaries that differ greatly from the one you watch. Again, belief in the evolution of beings doesn't preclude you from believing in creationism or a supreme being.....

yes it does


babies are made through sexual intercourse that is what Darwin tells me , that it is what Science tells me that is what common sense tells me


I dont believe in babies that are not conceived through sex you appearantly do


I base my believes on believes that are common these days, you base your believes of divine intervention on the writings of persons who believe the earth was flat

http://starryskies.com/articles/2003/08/earth.jpg



I know you dont believe the earth is round and this pic / animation means nothing to you , but its truthfull ........

This thread is useless without Pics.

Lol, you still continue to avoid my question, what specific writings did you base your beliefs on who you think Jesus was? All you do is mock and throw out broad generalized answers. You do realize that 99.9% of the people at that time believed in the earth being flat even those who didn't believe in the Bible as you do. So based on your logic I could then deduce that your beliefs also represent those who believed the earth was flat.

Lastly, you don't even know what my beliefs are, nowhere in this thread have I stated them so don't tell me what I base my beliefs on. My problem isn't with your beliefs, its how you derived at them.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Point proven, you can't answer it.

it should be quite clear what your believes are based on your postings in this thread




you are such an expert and all, can I ask you how many children mary had ?


and how they were conceived ? I am now not talking aoub jesus .........

Lol, so you won't answer any of my questions, but yet now I have to answer yours? Answer mine and I'll be more than happy to listen to yours, also, I never said I was an expert.

poin proven then , you are obviously reading this thread and dont know the answer you were probably under the believe Jesus was Mary's only child


probably know looking for info on this ...........

even though this thread is plainly a 'hating/confused' thread, I must admit it's been enjoyable watching you 'debate' lazycash :thumbsup

I anwsered many times


you claim that jesus was not a result of sexual intercourse I said he was and I base that on commons sense science and darwin

you claim he is made through the hand of god and you base that on the bible


I claim Jesus was a Ghandi like person , your response to that is that he wans't a philospher like ghandi ? ??


ghandi never was that , ...........

yeah and I am the dumb one :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I will repeat it one more time


I base my believes and lots of the views expressed here in this thread on the views of christians harvard professors


they dont hate God , they dont hate Christians and they also aren't anti's


they are Christians themselves , they have studied this many many years and their conclusion was that Jesus was conceived through sexual intecourse


many times in this thread I have said this yet you have the ignorance to claim I dont want to post what I base my views on...

Ugh, this is liking talking to a child, my question had nothing to do with the birth of Christ. Again for the fifth time, what specific writings did you base your belief on who you think Jesus was. Yes you claim Jesus was a Ghandi like person and you've eluded to him using his specific words against the Romans and cited other specific acts, so you what source made you come to the conclusion you have about who Jesus was?

Thanks Ruth, but I should have listened to your advice long ago and just left this alone, I feel like I have to post three times for him to actually read each question at hand.