Ah........the Ostrich technique: sticking your head in the sand.
So...saying guns are not a good thing makes me a tree hugger?

Wow...then people who really love nature must be straight on terrorists...let's track them down and bring them to prison!

I support people's right to own a gun.

But I think people should be required to pass a test showing they know how to safely and properly operate and store a gun.

rule number 1: don't put your finger in the trigger guard unless you're going to shoot.

Useless, shit will keep happening. Everybody calls himself a responsible gun owner. Just like everybody thinks he smarter than the person sitting next to him.

Guns will cause accidents, no matter where, when or with whom.

That picture is the perfect example.

Unbefuckinglievable he even dares posting that in this thread. He just proves me right and all the pro people wrong.

There you have a responsible gun owner people. Take a good look and think about it for a minute or 2.

Think about the 1000's of other people who use guns for photos, to play with, to show to other people. 1000's of responsible gun owners.

It's always interesting that you have to live in a country where both Joe Public doesn't own a gun and 99.9% of criminals don't either to appreciate how truly scary, dangerous and uneeded they are. Arguing with those that live with them is pointless as for some reason logic and common sense mean nothing to those supporting them.

But...IMHO it's far too late for the US to just 'ban guns'. The huge availability really does mean the crims will still have them and the public not which makes it a tad one sided. Of course that's not a problem in countries where the crims so rarely have them in the first place:glugglug

You've dug your hole....

maybe she was?

You are totally right. Thats why i said guns are a fundamental problem in the US. Banning them now is quite useless. They never shouldve been allowed in the first place.

I agree that guns will continue to cause accidents, and that sucks, but that is life.

As long as guns exist, there will continue to be accidents. It's unrealistic to think guns will cease to exist, so the only thing we can do is attempt to limit the number of accidents that will happen.

they were 'allowed in the first place' cuz that's how we 'got this place'

a group of terrorists with guns, fighting off a civilized european country, then turning around and killing those pesky local inJUNS to keep this free country free from those scalpin, jerky eating, feather wearing, casino loving barbarians :)

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Enough Said-

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I don't give a fuck where you live or how high / low the ratio of gun-toting people to those without guns is;

People are the problem.

People who are born into pathetic families that shouldn't be having children in the first place because they don't have the mental, moral, and emotional capacity to raise a child; that's the problem. People living in such over-populated areas where their only "seemingly" viable option for survival is to kill their neighbor; that's the problem. Ton's of other examples of either nurturing or the environment or both that create bad people are too many to list, but that's the problem.

Violence will always be, and unfortunately, so will bad people.

I agree.

Yeah, you really know your American history, don't you?

You would be speaking German now if we didn't like guns so much.

You've proven that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well, cocaine has been proven to have harmful bodily effects. Guns on the other hand, don't. Comparing guns and drugs is like comparing windows to saran wrap.

Hahah stupid old fuck. So old yet so clueless.

How pathetic can you get with your answers.

Haha please niggah!
If there were no guns the German wouldn't be able to overtake us! I guess THAT didn't cross your mind right? Another example why guns are bad...


Second: your grandpa and/or your pa fought for our asses and I'm grateful for that. NOT you. So quite with "us" and "we"

I have proven that I live in a part of the world where I don't have to be scared and paranoid all day that some crackass junky is trying to put a bullet through my ass anywhere.

Guns are illegal over here and we are safe. Period

As pointed out before, people will get guns whether they are legal or illegal. Just because guns are illegal doesn't meam you aren't going to get shot.

I was just trying to illustrate that one thing was said and then something completely different by the same person.

On top of that, I was also trying to illustrate (as Battuss seemed to be doing in his original post) that it's a person's misuse of an object that kills and not the object that's misused.

And yes, comparing guns, an object specifically designed to project a bullet, to cocaine, a processed powder made from a naturally growing plant, is a dumb comparison in regard to the objects being compared. But not in regard to what kills and what doesn't.

Forensically a bullet or cocaine overdose makes a body die. What killed the body (what was the essential cause behind the death) was the person shooting the gun or doing the overdose. That's all I'm trying to say.

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Wrong, people dont walk around here with guns because its very hard to get them for 99,9% of the people. Stop being so ignorant, from all people i expected more from you.

Well, I wasn't referring to you specifically, more to the people who use assbackwards examples to try and illustrate a point, when really they know that they have no argument, so they try and pull some wacky example or comparison out of their ass to try and hide the fact that their argument is weak.

The original post stated something along the lines of "if guns are illegal I don't have to worry about getting shot." Sure, in Holland where guns are illegal to own, they may not be as easy to come by, but that doesn't mean that you'll never get shot. It's like me crossing a busy road while in a crosswalk, and saying "Oh, I am in a crosswalk, I am invincible."

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when a kid in LA robs a store with a mac10 or two guys rob a bank with ak47s, weapons banned in california, it makes me wonder where and how they get these guns. california has very strick gun laws yet criminals still get them and use them to commit crimes. if you're country was on the border of a weakly guarded country such as mexico it would be full of illegal weapons among many other things your government would deem 'illegal'.

wisconsin usa baby. I own a .40 S&W and a Grendel .380 - anybody ever heard of that one? :D


Gun control is using both hands.

When the founding fathers gave us the right to bare arms, they were not talking about rolling up your sleeves.

What do you do if you miss your ex? Buy a SCOPE!

And somemight be tempted to compare that to the crime stats in Texas, where you can carry a gun with very little foreplay to get your license. Or Mississippi, where you can keep your gun in yoru car as long as it's in plain view, and the only reason to register it is in case it gets stolen.

Fuck yeah. :thumbsup

I'm bound to say "only in America"

If guns we're outlawed there wouldn't BE any kids with guns robbing stores.

Exactly..

The only thing the assault weapon's ban did was stop new weapons of that type from being developed, However all manufacturers making the assault weapons prior to the ban could keep making them as long as they weren't sold under the same name. Also the 30 round magazine's could no longer be made, but again, if you made them prior to the ban you were still allowed to manufacture and sell them leagally. In other words all the legislation did, was make those who think gun control is a good idea sleep all warm and fuzzy at night, while I sleep with my arsenal of weapons next to my bed.

I have a concealed weapons permit, and tell ya, you can't get me to turn it over. EVER.

I laugh at people that are scared of guns. Nothing to be scared of. Everyone should own one and know how to use it if need be! Use it only to protect yourself, your family and loved ones and your Country!
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how are they getting guns that are already outlawed in this state? outlawing guns will only remove them from the hands of people who register them seeing as how the kid with the ak47 couldnt register it anyways since its illegal. people who register their guns usually arent criminals seeing as how felons cant own weapons, so a ban on all weapons in the us would lead to chaos where the criminals have the guns and everyone else has nothing.

Drugs are outlawed in this country, yet I'm sure I can go procure a fold of coke from a 12-year-old in my upper-middle class, white neighborhood. What's this "outlawed" shit have to do with keeping guns off the street and crime down.

What society has grown accustomed to is being afraid of the tools people use in the wrong way: drugs, guns, bombs, religion -- none of those things kill people, yet it is politicians, special interest groups and the media that makes society fear those things.

People kill people. People kill themselves. Just stop spending billions on useless "war on this", "war on that", and try and spend it fostering better families, inner cities, education and I'll guarantee crime, gun use and drug use will go down.

Fuck it -- I'd bet that after a few generations in a society that has everything legal (drugs, guns, prostitution, etc), and the money is spent wisely from the regulation and taxation of that (cuz, well, the government likes to tax and control shit), it'd be a pretty nice place to live. That'll never happen though, because people who are afraid of inanimate, harmless objects deemed dangerous, are easier to control than happy people who can live around objects that may be dangerous if used improperly.

OMG..EXACTLY the problem. People don't 'ONLY' use it for that...if they would, this thread wouldn't be here!

I like to go out in the woods and blow the shit out of old tv's, wood, whatever the fuck i can find.. It's theraputic. If you were hungry and all your food stamps were gone you could go out in the woods and blow the head off a turkey.

Seems like "OTHER USE"s

This entire thread is giving me the urge to buy a street sweeper.

People use asprin to overdose, people use gasoline to set houses on fire, people use fucking clotheshangers to abort babies - you wanna outlaw and ban those too?



The real solution is to raise the penalties on criminals. I.E. If you rob a store with a gun, you go to prison for life, no parole. If you shoot someone in the process, you die.

Implement your system (ban guns) there will still be guns. Implement mine and I garaundamntee you crime will drop.,

I live in a country where guns are banned.

When someone tried to mug me a while ago, he didn't have a gun so I was able to scare him off quite easily.
If I get into a fight in a bar or whatever, it'll be a fistfight, and nobody will get killed.
When someone "goes postal" here, he and his potato knife probably won't do huge damage.
When some drunk moron gets pissed off or freaks out here, he might punch someone.
Most common criminals aren't able to easily get guns here, and most of the ones who are able to get guns, are part of organized crime - and those tend to kill eachother instead of innocent.

Many of you pro-gunners say you want to "protect your family". Guess what... over here we aren't scared enough to even think about needing a weapon for that.
If you honestly believe you need a weapon for self-defense, there is something really, really wrong, either with you or with the place where you live :warning



And you Americans seem rather uninformed about the entire second amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Think about what "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" means for a moment.


Oh, and in case you believe people should have the right to have handguns... why not machine guns, or handgrenades, or rocket launchers, or heavy artillery?
Hey, I'm pretty sure a machine gun will do a much better job at protecting you and your family (you paranoid freak) than a normal handgun, and surely nobody would even think about fucking with someone who has heavy artillery in his yard...