you are kidding me, right? I don't think I have ever been to a sex.com party that Joan did not attend. Gary is on the board.

Thats no screwup, they Garry and Joan will not even let steve donate to thier cause when he tried a few years ago

Gary Kreman speaks the truth. Who can I talk to at Sex.com about buying some advertising?

Baddog my bad I ment to put a , in there


I doubt that, Sex.com and ASACP are in bed together!

When someone starts playing politics with their power, and interfering with a company making money legally -- that's totally wrong!!

:angrysoap

Looks like Rachel: http://tour.rachel18.com/indexnp2.php?r=typein

But I remember they were selling her content a while back.

stfu newbie

With all due respect, elected by whom? People that are in the industry, or people that actually are members?

While I can understand why you are a little pissed, I do believe this is a private organization, expecting that they are going to open up the election of board members to the general public is a little over the top.

Have you tried buying clicks for those search terms?

:1orglaugh

sex.com isn't a great converter, they feature their links (like Overture) on many "partner" sites. Some are highly questionable. I think they hit a peak with their PPC awhile ago and in the interest of keeping profits high signed on a few partners they maybe shouldn't have.

just my :2 cents:

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ha.

If it is supposed to be representing our industry, it should be staffed by people in our industry that are ELECTED. Do you want your home owners association to be always controlled by the biggest bitch on the block?

Steve Lightspeed

Frankly I doubt that Joan or Gracie have anything to do with this. I've spent a good bit of time talking to Joan about many different things, and she's simply not the type of person to be a party to something like this. Nor does she manage ASACP in a manner consistent with this either.

Gary needs to step back, this is rather much, to say the least.

My point exactly!

Steve Lightspeed

Joan is on a power trip from hell too, you should see the nice presentation Shannon gave her in APRIL at the Phoenix Forum. I think she just laughed and wiped her ass with it. Stall tactics are not professional either. How many people have been approved since April? none?

We should make our presentation public, and let ASACP explain why they have ignored us!

Steve Lightspeed

I wondered if there was some punctuation missing there after the 4th or 5th time I read it. :1orglaugh

Again, if I am in a HOA, I am paying into that HOA.

That's just typical of the way Gary runs his biz...you won't ever catch me doing any biz with him EVER.

I could somewhat understand this if it was being done to others with similar type sites, but searching for similar sites doesn't produce the same results.

I agree with the need for an orginization like this to fight CP, but doing crap like this??? Come on... are they fighting CP, or targeting people they don't like? How long will it be before their credibility is shot all to hell and the orginazaiton is seen as nothing more than worthless window dressing?

Well, I sent Gary a link to this thread, will see what he has to say.

But, if you lived on that street and they refused to take your money to give you a voice about what goes on on that street, and continued to tell you your yard was always in need of repair, would you have a problem with that?

I would.

I offered to support ASACP the day Aly introduced Joan in LA in 2002. I agree with their mission, wholeheartedly.

But they are more interested in playing industry politics than protecting children. And forget about FREE SPEECH and the FIRST ADMENDMENT!

Steve Lightspeed

everytime i report a site to asacp they write back & tell me its not cp

funny, i always thought a 10 year old boy getting fucked in the ass was cp

guess not

Steve, you dont know the secret handshake....

With all the hate and unethical moves (ie.. shouldn't they accept donations from anyone not agaisnt their cause?).. someone should organise one, voted by both industry and/or donating members, that would represent the adult industry better than a 3rd party who does only what they want, regardless of the industry needs. :2 cents:

dont exagerate about very serious matters such as this, i think you are lying

sex + under 18 = cp, make sure that you have your facts straight before you accuse

LOL, I tried to give like $2000 and they refused to take it. Fuck em

I think its more like a secret dicksuck....

I don't think that is possible, so I guess the HOA analogy is not a very good one.

Choker you are a TGPer. you are an outlaw in the eyes of ASACP..

That organization is not run well at all...

what does tgping have to do with child porn?

does asacp automatically assume all tgps are cp?

i cant belong to ASACP because im an evil TGP guy.
although, our host (a leading ASACP member) gladly accepts our business...plus that of many other TGPs.. i don't get it...

gary is on the board of asacp, therefore it is one of his responsibilityes to know the proper way to treat cp sites, either your sites, are, or are not CP, if they are, then asacp needs to immediatly begin to report them, if they are not, then there is no reason to list asacp as the only search result

gary needs to pick a side, either ignorance, or accuracy and lightspeed needs to file with the ftc, accusations like this is not a game

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...s/ruleroad.htm

The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:

mislead consumers and
affect consumers' behavior or decisions about the product or service.

Could it be that sex.com sells traffic, and competes with tgps for its income?

Ah the bigger picture emerges now!


Steve Lightspeed

Actually - isn't SleazyDream a member now? Was that for his TGP or was it his paysites?

Okay, I have spoken with Joan about the TGP vs ASACP thing back when SleazyDream was having issues with them, and this is what I got from the discussion.

ASACP is still trying to gain the trust of people like the FBI so that when they report a site it is taken seriously. For this reason thay can not accept donations from just anyone, or let all comers become members because then they would have people that do have CP join up just so they could hide behind the ASACP banner.

Please don't read this to think that anyone in this thread is promoting CP, just giving you what I came away with from my personal discussions with her.

For the record, I stressed to her that there are TGPs that hand review every submission, and are paid spots only and that they should not be grouped in with every TGP that takes mass submits from anyone that submits a gallery to them.

I don't know what the gripe is ASACP has with Lightspeed, as we never discussed it.

haha, I'm positive we're just about to hear from Gary, and the "unfortunate programming mistake" that obviously listed Lightspeed incorrectly on sex.com


:1orglaugh

Sleazy was trying to get approved . he has posted about it before. but i havent heard offically that he is in the association..
geez, he even knows the handshake...

its just a proof of why their traffic sucks so much...