mpa3 vs nats - GoFuckYourself.com

bigdog · 12-08-2004, 06:32 AM

what features does mpa3 have that would make someone choose it over nats?

TheSwed · 12-08-2004, 06:43 AM

Interesting question

Pearl Noir Studio · 12-08-2004, 08:07 AM

I don't like the nats inferface. And i saw that you can now have other webmasters join your network and give them only the stats and control over their site. You can build a network like deluxpasses. or something like it. I think it is an interesting feature. Didn't see that nats has this option.

I would choose for mpa3.

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:10 AM

doesn't mpa3 have true cascading billing...where the user only has to enter their credit card in once?

with nats, i am pretty sure the user has to enter their credit card in twice in order for it to try on another processor

Major (Tom) · 12-08-2004, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Pearl Noir Studio
I don't like the nats inferface. And i saw that you can now have other webmasters join your network and give them only the stats and control over their site. You can build a network like deluxpasses. or something like it. I think it is an interesting feature. Didn't see that nats has this option.

I would choose for mpa3.

NATS 100%

Duke

Major (Tom) · 12-08-2004, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
doesn't mpa3 have true cascading billing...where the user only has to enter their credit card in once?

with nats, i am pretty sure the user has to enter their credit card in twice in order for it to try on another processor

Correct me if im wrong but epoch and ccbill dont allow true casgading. If they did, nats would have it.
Duke

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:15 AM

and also, i heard it through the grapevine that Pbucksjohn used to go by the nick Gogobar, who was the owner of porngraph...which apparently never got sold like everyone thinks..he apparently owned it the whole time and just decided to fuck everyone

this is all just hearsay though of course, but from a pretty reliable source

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
Correct me if im wrong but epoch and ccbill dont allow true casgading. If they did, nats would have it.
Duke

i would love for someone to verify this....

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
doesn't mpa3 have true cascading billing...where the user only has to enter their credit card in once?

with nats, i am pretty sure the user has to enter their credit card in twice in order for it to try on another processor

Actually you're wrong. NATS also supports true cascading if the billers allow it. If you're using ccbill/paycom you CAN'T do true cascading no matter what software you use as Visa won't allow you to hold the credit card information.

Please check your facts from now on

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Actually you're wrong. NATS also supports true cascading if the billers allow it. If you're using ccbill/paycom you CAN'T do true cascading no matter what software you use as Visa won't allow you to hold the credit card information.

Please check your facts from now on

hey idiot, it was a question, not facts

jesus dude

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
hey idiot, it was a question, not facts

jesus dude

Name callnig. I'll leave it at that.

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Name callnig. I'll leave it at that.

how about you respond to what I posted above?

King Adam · 12-08-2004, 08:21 AM

Now that we are past the cascading debate, can anyone actually tell us some of the differences between the two?

One of my concerns is that MPA3 is hardcoded so you can't really modify it on your one where is Nats is not hard coded and has more flexability. I could be wrong, so if someone has info, please share it.

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 08:21 AM

I just tried calling the # on your whois but some spanish guy answered and had no clue who "Jace" was.

Give me your # and I'll speak with you or you can call me. 732-385-1536 x111

I answered your question.

SomeCreep · 12-08-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
how about you respond to what I posted above?

Uhm, he just did, and you called him an idiot. Very professional.

angeleyes · 12-08-2004, 08:22 AM

I work for several sponsors, 2 of them use NATS and it has been a god send that doesn't compare to MPA3 or Custom Programs! What makes it different is that it's easier to use and has SO many different features.... it almost lets a program run It's self.

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I just tried calling the # on your whois but some spanish guy answered and had no clue who "Jace" was.

Give me your # and I'll speak with you or you can call me. 732-385-1536 x111

I answered your question.

why would you try and call me? i asked a question here...you can icq me if you want 102-89-3553

and what whois did you try?

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by SomeCreep
Uhm, he just did, and you called him an idiot. Very professional.

um...did everyone sort of skim over the porngraph question?

there are two posts from me above, check the other

King Adam · 12-08-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by angeleyes
I work for several sponsors, 2 of them use NATS and it has been a god send that doesn't compare to MPA3 or Custom Programs! What makes it different is that it's easier to use and has SO many different features.... it almost lets a program run It's self.

Could you tell who these 2 sponsors are? Maybe even get them to come on and share their knowledge.

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 08:28 AM

I missed the PG thing.

Yes, I used to go by GoGoBar.

Yes, I started PornGraph and built it up.

Yes, We sold porngrah.

Yes, I've been through it and explained it 100x. I'm not going through it over and over again. Believe what you want. The truth is it was sold.

Aren't you the guy who was arrested in Atlanta for pissing on an ATM at a show?

I whois'd tabithastoybox.com That's the # i tried. If you want to speak with me futher you can call me or post your number.

Jace · 12-08-2004, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I missed the PG thing.

Yes, I used to go by GoGoBar.

Yes, I started PornGraph and built it up.

Yes, We sold porngrah.

Yes, I've been through it and explained it 100x. I'm not going through it over and over again. Believe what you want. The truth is it was sold.

Aren't you the guy who was arrested in Atlanta for pissing on an ATM at a show?

I whois'd tabithastoybox.com That's the # i tried. If you want to speak with me futher you can call me or post your number.

that is an old #, need to change it....but i don't like the phone anyway

hell yeah that was me that pee'd on an atm, that was a fun fucking night too...had a fucking blast....and thanks again for www.signup4cash.com and www.weed.com for bailing me out of jail

you know, it is sad when you have to throw something like me partying and getting in trouble at me....very sad

i just see you talking a lot of shit, and granted, I think your software is really nice, but I do see you talking shit a LOT, and it may not be directly, but whatever the case it is very unprofessional of such a big company in the industry

anyway...enough...i don't wanna fight, i just thought i would ask about that...cause i was curious

Roald · 12-08-2004, 08:37 AM

Whats the use of making another post about it? Kicking them while they are down?

FrankHolland · 12-08-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by QuaShe
Whats the use of making another post about it? Kicking them while they are down?

Tanker · 12-08-2004, 08:40 AM

CASH TITANS uses NATS, we love it we used to me on MPA2.

I find that NATS is a lot more versatile we are able to use more then one join page template for one that was a real pain in the ass before as every join page looked the same and well that really doesn't work when you run a hardcore gangbang facial site and you run a softcore single girl site. since the hardcore did 10 times the joins we used the hardcore template for the join page. That was just one of the issues I had with it.

I love Oystien and Garry and I have known them for a long time. great guys! We just were not happy with the software we purchased from them! We have now moved to NATS and we like it very much.

As for MPA3 I didn't even look. In the last four months I have been working with a program that ran on MPA I could not get webmasters to join, they didn't trust the system. Now that we are on NATS its a whole different story. I have had more webmasters sign up in a week then did in 4 months. MPA just has a bad stigma attached to it and I had to move away from that to make money.

I think MPA has to clean up their name. They will in due time but I think it will take some serious work. its not going to happen overnight but I think they will!

As for cashtitans its running very strong we had no problems making the switch to NATS and we are very happy with it.

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 08:42 AM

I agree there wasn't another need for a pissing thread at all.

Bigdog may have wanted a clean thread to really compare the softwares since the others were full of fighting, so don't blame him off the bat.

Unfortunately this one went that way too

Hopefully we can clean it up and keep it clean.

Jman · 12-08-2004, 08:43 AM

An interesting thread turnign in finger pointing shit...

come on guys stick to the subject

Sharky · 12-08-2004, 08:44 AM

I've started to recommend NATS to my clients simply based upon the response I have received from other clients who were already using it! Thats' actually howq I heard about the program in the first place.

I'm sure MPA3 is a good program, however I think MPA will be forever tainted with the shaving that was built into previous versions.

Webmasters want to know they are dealing with someone they can trust. Someone who is fair and honest. I believe that is exactly what is given with NATS. It looks to me that it is the best adult affiliate program on the market, hands down!

Kenny B! · 12-08-2004, 08:53 AM

We looked at Nats, Mpa3, x3 and riverstyx, when putting together v2 of our program? After talking with various webmasters who either leased or purchased one of the 4, we found the best option for us was Nats.

So far the crew at Too Much Media have been fantastic, we had the software installed on our server yesterday and

Theo · 12-08-2004, 08:54 AM

Tanker,very original sponsor theme and greek

fraggle · 12-08-2004, 09:01 AM

NATS ha branded themselves well as the system you can trust and it shows in trust and joins from webmasters

King Adam · 12-08-2004, 09:01 AM

I've looked at riverstyx and that seems to be the best when it comes to modifications, plus its a bit less in price.

bigdog · 12-08-2004, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I agree there wasn't another need for a pissing thread at all.

Bigdog may have wanted a clean thread to really compare the softwares since the others were full of fighting, so don't blame him off the bat.

Unfortunately this one went that way too Hopefully we can clean it up and keep it clean.

thats what i wanted i guess it will never come out that way

ShaneRyale · 12-08-2004, 09:35 AM

BigDog,

There are many difference between MPA and NATS. We have made the switch from MPA to NATS now. (Thanks Duke!!)

Let me start off by saying that the guys at MPA are good guys, I like Oystein, Garry Peter and the rest of the crew there.

The main difference between MPA and NATS is not a technical one, it's ALL about credibility. We have been in this business for almost 7 years now, and we have alot of very good, loyal affiliates. And anyone that knows us, would never question our honesty and credibility. But many new affiliates and even a couple of older ones were very concerned with us running MPA. I received SEVERAL emails stating that they would love to promote our sites, but would not unless we got rid of MPA or allowed them to use CCBill or another viable alternative. So based on us using MPA I saw our #'s starting to slip from less traffic from affiliates.

As far as technical differences, there are many.

The main ones to me is the ability to do many different cascades per site, and the cascades in NATS are MUCH more configurable. The setup of the cascades in NATS is much simpler. You can Geo-Target your cascades, and even change your cascades based on many built in features.

All pages in NATS are templated, so I can customize the entire affiliate program. This was very difficult in MPA. I had to sent my changes to MPA and they had to do it for me.

Any affiliate who had ever used NATS and MPA know that any site running NATS has a easy to use interface for TGP's to download the list of hosted galleries for easy importing into their software. This was a feature that was asked for by MANY affiliates while I was using MPA, that is a standard feature in NATS.

The entire process for ad tools in NATS is much much easier, it is all web-based and very simple. In MPA the hosted galleries was a cumbersome process, and they didn't have any built in ability for banners, content, FPA/HPA or anything like that. The interface from NATS is very simple and I can setup levels of users in NATS to give one of our guys the ability to handle all the ad tools without any access to the rest of the program.

The stats and reports in NATS are much more indepth and actually work. I never was able to get my reports in MPA to work properly. You can break down the stats in many different ways in NATS, based on the site, program, campaign, etc.

NATS has a nice cross sales admin that make working with them much simpler.

NATS has a Exit console and popup utility that is AWESOME. You can base you exits and popups by the affiliates program, per affiliates, and may other features. It's very simple to use and all of it is done from a nice admin interface.

The mailer admin in NATS is really nice as well. There are many options you can set. Such as if an affiliate hasn't sent any traffic after X amount of days you can send him and auto email asking why or if he needs any assistance with anything. It's really customizable. I asked for a feature like this in MPA, but was told I would have to pay for the mods.

There are many subtle features in NATS that are really nice that aren't really noticed until you get in there and play around, such as the ability to add a sale to an affiliate, the trial to member upgrades for billers that don't support it, the ability to have multiple tours per site, the ability to create hidden programs and add affiliates to it manually, the ability to search for a affiliate by username or link code, and several others that you would never think that you needed until you see it in the program, and think -- damn, that's pretty cool, and they you use it all the time.

** Thinks I like about MPA that aren't in NATS

MPA has Galleries of the Day, and Picture of the Day.
MPA has a link that will automatically take you inside the admin of any billing company you have setup in MPA.
MPA has a quick list for your top 10 affiliates

Like I said up top. It was mainly a choice of business credibility. I know the guys at Mansion are trying to move towards shaking that rep, but I can't let the business suffer during that time. There's alot more importants things to spend you energy and time on than having to justify your program and credibility to affiliates.

The new features in NATS are REALLY nice, and it's by far a superior program to MPA in my opinion, but I don't think the new features alone would have been enough to have me switch my entire affiliate program to NATS. Now that I have them I don't know what I would do with out them!

Methodcash Rick · 12-08-2004, 09:38 AM

We have used both MPA3 & NATS, and quite honestly, we liked them both..

1st let me say in defence of the Mansion / MPA3, MPA3 is a great product, and NO WHERE IN THE PRODUCT is there a shave feature..

The reason we switched over to NATS, had nothing to do with MPA being a "bad" piece of software, or sub standard, it was really a matter flexability ( in our mind ), the ability to grow the way we wanted, and quite honestly, the publically preceived credibility factor.

Both MPA & NATS are great pieces of software, but we had to do what was best for our company, and chose NATS over MPA...

I tried to be as unbiased as I could, as I really DO like both products.. Each product has it's positives & negatives, each does somethings better than the other, so it's realy what YOU are looking for the software to do for you...

Jay_StandAhead · 12-08-2004, 09:39 AM

I can't speak for MPA3 since I never looked at it, but anyone considering using it has to weigh in the fact that many webmasters will stay away from it.

NATS on the other hand is feature packed, has great support, and the NATS team keeps adding new little features weekly that make our lives easier.

There may or may not be any features in any of the softwares that are completely exclusive to them and are a must, but NATS has good reputation, good feedback and good support. Can't go wrong

SykkBoy · 12-08-2004, 09:44 AM

While I like Oystein and company, I don't have any experience with MPA, but have experience with NATS and it's all been positive.

I like the ability to change the join pages around a bit (this really helps in offering a trial and no-trial option).

While it has a bit of a learning curve, as with any software for us non-techie types, I've come to really love the software and it's abilities (come on guy get the CMS on it already ;-))). My wishlist for NATS is a better mailing system, but other than that, I have no complaints.

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by ShaneRyale
** Thinks I like about MPA that aren't in NATS

MPA has Galleries of the Day, and Picture of the Day.
MPA has a link that will automatically take you inside the admin of any billing company you have setup in MPA.
MPA has a quick list for your top 10 affiliates

Hi Shane, first of all, great post, thanks for the excellent detail in some of our nicest features. Yes, we do not have Galleries of the Day and Pictures of the Day, and we do not yet link directly to billers.

BUT! We _DO_ have a top10 affiliates list you can put anywhere you want in any format you want based on anything you want

Post a ticket if you want an explanation for it.

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
While I like Oystein and company, I don't have any experience with MPA, but have experience with NATS and it's all been positive.

I like the ability to change the join pages around a bit (this really helps in offering a trial and no-trial option).

While it has a bit of a learning curve, as with any software for us non-techie types, I've come to really love the software and it's abilities (come on guy get the CMS on it already ;-))). My wishlist for NATS is a better mailing system, but other than that, I have no complaints.

The CMS has been ready for a while now all you have to do is order it

Please also put a feature request in for what you feel should be modified about the mail system and we'll be sure to work on it.

King Adam · 12-08-2004, 10:47 AM

Hey Shane .... thanks for all the info. A couple more posts like that and I might have no choice anymore but to go with Nats.

peter_mansion · 12-08-2004, 10:55 AM

For webmasters:

- MPA3 is the only software on the market that is AUDITED, and has gurantee that you are not shaved.
MPA3 is the only software that has integrated http://clicktrtuth.com
we decided to put time, financial and human resourses but make sure that EVERY webmaster receives ALL the money he has earned with his/her hard works. Noone else did that for the community.

Other software packages just have words, they do not integrate with audting companies

For site owners:

-MPA3 is the only software that has inbuilt shopping card . That means that you can sell goods via MPA3. With the other products you can sell ONLY subscriptions.

I guess you understand now why MPA3 is better than the others....

bigdog · 12-08-2004, 11:01 AM

are there lease options for mpa3?

garry · 12-08-2004, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
are there lease options for mpa3?

We dont have a lease to own no, but we do have a rent version. The License and setup price is $2500 then you have a monthly rent starting at $300 a month.

You get all the features, you have free support and you get all upgrades for free

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by peter_mansion
For webmasters:

- MPA3 is the only software on the market that is AUDITED, and has gurantee that you are not shaved.
MPA3 is the only software that has integrated http://clicktrtuth.com
we decided to put time, financial and human resourses but make sure that EVERY webmaster receives ALL the money he has earned with his/her hard works. Noone else did that for the community.

Other software packages just have words, they do not integrate with audting companies

For site owners:

-MPA3 is the only software that has inbuilt shopping card . That means that you can sell goods via MPA3. With the other products you can sell ONLY subscriptions.

I guess you understand now why MPA3 is better than the others....

You guys are misstating our standpoint again.

No, we have not partnered with a "porn" company to audit our clicks. IMO it's not a sure fire way of doing it and is just smoke and mirrors. Great to see you taking a step in the right direction tho.

We do have a strict policy about shaving tho. So please do not say we just have words.

Should we ever find a program using NATS attempting to play with the numbers their liscense will be shut off immediately and they will be taken to court by us. That is a guarantee.

What are the penalties on your end if they shave?

Please don't turn this back into a pissing match. I'm trying to have a constructive conversation with you and point out how you are misrepresenting us.

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by peter_mansion

For site owners:

-MPA3 is the only software that has inbuilt shopping card . That means that you can sell goods via MPA3. With the other products you can sell ONLY subscriptions.

I guess you understand now why MPA3 is better than the others....

NATS is in no way limited to subscriptions. You can actually sell ANYTHING you want through NATS and have resellers getting credit for it.

You can give them stats and credits for ANYTHING you want, even if NATS does not support it right now directly. This is called Extended Payouts & Stats and is a NATS module.

garry · 12-08-2004, 11:55 AM

Man, we are not the once that have held a pissing contest on this board. As a matter of fact we have chosen to stay out of the board for a long time now simply because we just wanted to cosentrate on making our new MPA3 program the best it could be. But we have read all the threads and have seen what have been going on. And if it came as a chook to you that we finally figured out that it was about time we stood up for our self then I am sorry.

We did a mistake and fuck us for that. We did take that option out ASAP when we realized what we had done and have worked hard now to come up with MPA3 that is a totally different product.

Yes, NATS where a much better program then mpa2, and I have no problem admitting that. But the world moves on. And please remember that mpa2 was 3 years old and we put all our experience in to the mpa3 program now

I have never been here to start a pissing match. That have never been my business model. But of course I will defend my self. I think this industry is big enough for all of us and then some more. And having Software companies "fight" against each others about offering the best services will only benefit everyone.

The reason why Im on these boards now is to open my arms to the webmasters and to try to gain some trust again.
As I have said on the other threads, we have added clickthrouth to MPA3 now. They are a third party company who are auditing stats for a lot of big companies. But I am open for other suggestions to from the webmasters on what to add or do to try to win back some trust.

I am even willing to give the source code it self to someone so that he can say if it is possible to shave or not with our program now.

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by garry
Man, we are not the once that have held a pissing contest on this board. As a matter of fact we have chosen to stay out of the board for a long time now simply because we just wanted to cosentrate on making our new MPA3 program the best it could be. But we have read all the threads and have seen what have been going on. And if it came as a chook to you that we finally figured out that it was about time we stood up for our self then I am sorry.

We did a mistake and fuck us for that. We did take that option out ASAP when we realized what we had done and have worked hard now to come up with MPA3 that is a totally different product.

Yes, NATS where a much better program then mpa2, and I have no problem admitting that. But the world moves on. And please remember that mpa2 was 3 years old and we put all our experience in to the mpa3 program now

I have never been here to start a pissing match. That have never been my business model. But of course I will defend my self. I think this industry is big enough for all of us and then some more. And having Software companies "fight" against each others about offering the best services will only benefit everyone.

The reason why Im on these boards now is to open my arms to the webmasters and to try to gain some trust again.
As I have said on the other threads, we have added clickthrouth to MPA3 now. They are a third party company who are auditing stats for a lot of big companies. But I am open for other suggestions to from the webmasters on what to add or do to try to win back some trust.

I am even willing to give the source code it self to someone so that he can say if it is possible to shave or not with our program now.

We do not attack or bash you, get over it.

pradaboy · 12-08-2004, 01:08 PM

shame to see such a constructive thread go to waste

oh and btw, damn Garry try and spell an entire post correctly for once lol.

TheGoldenChild · 12-08-2004, 01:21 PM

Listen,

Being that I am now handling some public relations for NATS- All I can say is that both company owners are fine people- Ihave known Oystein a long time.

People know that when you bash competition you essentially look bad yourself. I don't think John or Nathan said anything terribly insulting regarding MPA2-

I just see them quoting facts, and see a lot of happy NATS customers coming into the thread talking about their wonderful service, and the great affiliate software they had purchased through NATS.

It's a true testimonial of a company when your clients come out of the woodwork to tell of their happy experience with your product.

I can tell you that by the number of people I have hit up to spread the word about NATS- I haven't heard one bad thing about the product or company.

I have only heard that John and his partners were very aggressive and extremely self confident in their abilities to handle their clients needs.

I don't see that as a bad thing...
Do you?

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12-08-2004, 08:07 AM	#3
Pearl Noir Studio Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 167	I don't like the nats inferface. And i saw that you can now have other webmasters join your network and give them only the stats and control over their site. You can build a network like deluxpasses. or something like it. I think it is an interesting feature. Didn't see that nats has this option. I would choose for mpa3.

12-08-2004, 08:10 AM	#4
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	doesn't mpa3 have true cascading billing...where the user only has to enter their credit card in once? with nats, i am pretty sure the user has to enter their credit card in twice in order for it to try on another processor

12-08-2004, 08:15 AM	#7
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	and also, i heard it through the grapevine that Pbucksjohn used to go by the nick Gogobar, who was the owner of porngraph...which apparently never got sold like everyone thinks..he apparently owned it the whole time and just decided to fuck everyone this is all just hearsay though of course, but from a pretty reliable source

12-08-2004, 08:28 AM	#20
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	I missed the PG thing. Yes, I used to go by GoGoBar. Yes, I started PornGraph and built it up. Yes, We sold porngrah. Yes, I've been through it and explained it 100x. I'm not going through it over and over again. Believe what you want. The truth is it was sold. Aren't you the guy who was arrested in Atlanta for pissing on an ATM at a show? I whois'd tabithastoybox.com That's the # i tried. If you want to speak with me futher you can call me or post your number. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

12-08-2004, 08:37 AM	#22
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,888	Whats the use of making another post about it? Kicking them while they are down? __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

12-08-2004, 08:40 AM	#24
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	CASH TITANS uses NATS, we love it we used to me on MPA2. I find that NATS is a lot more versatile we are able to use more then one join page template for one that was a real pain in the ass before as every join page looked the same and well that really doesn't work when you run a hardcore gangbang facial site and you run a softcore single girl site. since the hardcore did 10 times the joins we used the hardcore template for the join page. That was just one of the issues I had with it. I love Oystien and Garry and I have known them for a long time. great guys! We just were not happy with the software we purchased from them! We have now moved to NATS and we like it very much. As for MPA3 I didn't even look. In the last four months I have been working with a program that ran on MPA I could not get webmasters to join, they didn't trust the system. Now that we are on NATS its a whole different story. I have had more webmasters sign up in a week then did in 4 months. MPA just has a bad stigma attached to it and I had to move away from that to make money. I think MPA has to clean up their name. They will in due time but I think it will take some serious work. its not going to happen overnight but I think they will! As for cashtitans its running very strong we had no problems making the switch to NATS and we are very happy with it. __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

12-08-2004, 08:42 AM	#25
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	I agree there wasn't another need for a pissing thread at all. Bigdog may have wanted a clean thread to really compare the softwares since the others were full of fighting, so don't blame him off the bat. Unfortunately this one went that way too Hopefully we can clean it up and keep it clean. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

12-08-2004, 08:43 AM	#26
Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,767	An interesting thread turnign in finger pointing shit... come on guys stick to the subject __________________ email: [email protected] Best AI Affiliate Program We also do WL at $0.00 upfront costs FantasyXXX.AI Teams: jean.francois.laverdiere TG: @jman1216

12-08-2004, 08:44 AM	#27
Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	I've started to recommend NATS to my clients simply based upon the response I have received from other clients who were already using it! Thats' actually howq I heard about the program in the first place. I'm sure MPA3 is a good program, however I think MPA will be forever tainted with the shaving that was built into previous versions. Webmasters want to know they are dealing with someone they can trust. Someone who is fair and honest. I believe that is exactly what is given with NATS. It looks to me that it is the best adult affiliate program on the market, hands down! __________________ Sharky

12-08-2004, 08:53 AM	#28
Kenny B! Confirmed Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,717	We looked at Nats, Mpa3, x3 and riverstyx, when putting together v2 of our program? After talking with various webmasters who either leased or purchased one of the 4, we found the best option for us was Nats. So far the crew at Too Much Media have been fantastic, we had the software installed on our server yesterday and __________________ Kenny -at- YourPaysitePartner.com Skype: kennyb514 Do business with us: Your Paysite Partner Kenny's Pennies Sticky Dollars Radical Cash Indie Bucks Stand Ahead Read My Ambush Interview Here

12-08-2004, 08:54 AM	#29
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Tanker,very original sponsor theme and greek

12-08-2004, 09:01 AM	#30
fraggle Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 932	NATS ha branded themselves well as the system you can trust and it shows in trust and joins from webmasters __________________ Marketing - Design - Development - Ecommerce High Quality, Very Experienced & Flexible Team, Great Rates www.ammediainc.com

12-08-2004, 09:35 AM	#33
ShaneRyale Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 961	BigDog, There are many difference between MPA and NATS. We have made the switch from MPA to NATS now. (Thanks Duke!!) Let me start off by saying that the guys at MPA are good guys, I like Oystein, Garry Peter and the rest of the crew there. The main difference between MPA and NATS is not a technical one, it's ALL about credibility. We have been in this business for almost 7 years now, and we have alot of very good, loyal affiliates. And anyone that knows us, would never question our honesty and credibility. But many new affiliates and even a couple of older ones were very concerned with us running MPA. I received SEVERAL emails stating that they would love to promote our sites, but would not unless we got rid of MPA or allowed them to use CCBill or another viable alternative. So based on us using MPA I saw our #'s starting to slip from less traffic from affiliates. As far as technical differences, there are many. The main ones to me is the ability to do many different cascades per site, and the cascades in NATS are MUCH more configurable. The setup of the cascades in NATS is much simpler. You can Geo-Target your cascades, and even change your cascades based on many built in features. All pages in NATS are templated, so I can customize the entire affiliate program. This was very difficult in MPA. I had to sent my changes to MPA and they had to do it for me. Any affiliate who had ever used NATS and MPA know that any site running NATS has a easy to use interface for TGP's to download the list of hosted galleries for easy importing into their software. This was a feature that was asked for by MANY affiliates while I was using MPA, that is a standard feature in NATS. The entire process for ad tools in NATS is much much easier, it is all web-based and very simple. In MPA the hosted galleries was a cumbersome process, and they didn't have any built in ability for banners, content, FPA/HPA or anything like that. The interface from NATS is very simple and I can setup levels of users in NATS to give one of our guys the ability to handle all the ad tools without any access to the rest of the program. The stats and reports in NATS are much more indepth and actually work. I never was able to get my reports in MPA to work properly. You can break down the stats in many different ways in NATS, based on the site, program, campaign, etc. NATS has a nice cross sales admin that make working with them much simpler. NATS has a Exit console and popup utility that is AWESOME. You can base you exits and popups by the affiliates program, per affiliates, and may other features. It's very simple to use and all of it is done from a nice admin interface. The mailer admin in NATS is really nice as well. There are many options you can set. Such as if an affiliate hasn't sent any traffic after X amount of days you can send him and auto email asking why or if he needs any assistance with anything. It's really customizable. I asked for a feature like this in MPA, but was told I would have to pay for the mods. There are many subtle features in NATS that are really nice that aren't really noticed until you get in there and play around, such as the ability to add a sale to an affiliate, the trial to member upgrades for billers that don't support it, the ability to have multiple tours per site, the ability to create hidden programs and add affiliates to it manually, the ability to search for a affiliate by username or link code, and several others that you would never think that you needed until you see it in the program, and think -- damn, that's pretty cool, and they you use it all the time. ** Thinks I like about MPA that aren't in NATS MPA has Galleries of the Day, and Picture of the Day. MPA has a link that will automatically take you inside the admin of any billing company you have setup in MPA. MPA has a quick list for your top 10 affiliates Like I said up top. It was mainly a choice of business credibility. I know the guys at Mansion are trying to move towards shaking that rep, but I can't let the business suffer during that time. There's alot more importants things to spend you energy and time on than having to justify your program and credibility to affiliates. The new features in NATS are REALLY nice, and it's by far a superior program to MPA in my opinion, but I don't think the new features alone would have been enough to have me switch my entire affiliate program to NATS. Now that I have them I don't know what I would do with out them! __________________ Shane - Affiliate Manager [email protected] ICQ: 170164556 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

12-08-2004, 09:38 AM	#34
Methodcash Rick Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,720	We have used both MPA3 & NATS, and quite honestly, we liked them both.. 1st let me say in defence of the Mansion / MPA3, MPA3 is a great product, and NO WHERE IN THE PRODUCT is there a shave feature.. The reason we switched over to NATS, had nothing to do with MPA being a "bad" piece of software, or sub standard, it was really a matter flexability ( in our mind ), the ability to grow the way we wanted, and quite honestly, the publically preceived credibility factor. Both MPA & NATS are great pieces of software, but we had to do what was best for our company, and chose NATS over MPA... I tried to be as unbiased as I could, as I really DO like both products.. Each product has it's positives & negatives, each does somethings better than the other, so it's realy what YOU are looking for the software to do for you... Last edited by Methodcash Rick; 12-08-2004 at 09:39 AM..

12-08-2004, 09:39 AM	#35
Jay_StandAhead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,103	I can't speak for MPA3 since I never looked at it, but anyone considering using it has to weigh in the fact that many webmasters will stay away from it. NATS on the other hand is feature packed, has great support, and the NATS team keeps adding new little features weekly that make our lives easier. There may or may not be any features in any of the softwares that are completely exclusive to them and are a must, but NATS has good reputation, good feedback and good support. Can't go wrong __________________ Our Programs: StandAhead \| IndieBucks \| BoyCrushCash \| Phoenixxx \| EmoProfits \| BritishBucks \| HunkMoney \| LatinoBucks Make $$$ with Gay! Lowest Minimum Payouts in the Business, Perfect Track Record, Amazing Sites Last edited by Jay_StandAhead; 12-08-2004 at 09:40 AM..

12-08-2004, 09:44 AM	#36
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	While I like Oystein and company, I don't have any experience with MPA, but have experience with NATS and it's all been positive. I like the ability to change the join pages around a bit (this really helps in offering a trial and no-trial option). While it has a bit of a learning curve, as with any software for us non-techie types, I've come to really love the software and it's abilities (come on guy get the CMS on it already ;-))). My wishlist for NATS is a better mailing system, but other than that, I have no complaints. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

12-08-2004, 10:47 AM	#39
King Adam Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 5,408	Hey Shane .... thanks for all the info. A couple more posts like that and I might have no choice anymore but to go with Nats. __________________ TWISTYSCASH.com - Proven to be One of the BEST Adult Programs Around Promote These Sites : Twistys ~ Busty Ones ~ Nicole Graves ICQ : 9 6 4 4 0 2 2 1

12-08-2004, 10:55 AM	#40
peter_mansion Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 45	For webmasters: - MPA3 is the only software on the market that is AUDITED, and has gurantee that you are not shaved. MPA3 is the only software that has integrated http://clicktrtuth.com we decided to put time, financial and human resourses but make sure that EVERY webmaster receives ALL the money he has earned with his/her hard works. Noone else did that for the community. Other software packages just have words, they do not integrate with audting companies For site owners: -MPA3 is the only software that has inbuilt shopping card . That means that you can sell goods via MPA3. With the other products you can sell ONLY subscriptions. I guess you understand now why MPA3 is better than the others....

12-08-2004, 11:01 AM	#41
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	are there lease options for mpa3?

12-08-2004, 11:55 AM	#45
garry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 680	Man, we are not the once that have held a pissing contest on this board. As a matter of fact we have chosen to stay out of the board for a long time now simply because we just wanted to cosentrate on making our new MPA3 program the best it could be. But we have read all the threads and have seen what have been going on. And if it came as a chook to you that we finally figured out that it was about time we stood up for our self then I am sorry. We did a mistake and fuck us for that. We did take that option out ASAP when we realized what we had done and have worked hard now to come up with MPA3 that is a totally different product. Yes, NATS where a much better program then mpa2, and I have no problem admitting that. But the world moves on. And please remember that mpa2 was 3 years old and we put all our experience in to the mpa3 program now I have never been here to start a pissing match. That have never been my business model. But of course I will defend my self. I think this industry is big enough for all of us and then some more. And having Software companies "fight" against each others about offering the best services will only benefit everyone. The reason why Im on these boards now is to open my arms to the webmasters and to try to gain some trust again. As I have said on the other threads, we have added clickthrouth to MPA3 now. They are a third party company who are auditing stats for a lot of big companies. But I am open for other suggestions to from the webmasters on what to add or do to try to win back some trust. I am even willing to give the source code it self to someone so that he can say if it is possible to shave or not with our program now. __________________ The Creator Of THE STANDARD* *in Affiliate Program Software - We make affiliates and program owners more money! MPA3® – Anything Else Is A Replica Choose between our impressive lineup of software's: MPA3® PRO - MPA3® ENTERPRISE - MPA3® Standard -MAS® CMS - and topping it off with amazing DESIGN, Consulting and Webmaster Services! "Your Mansion of Opportunities!" Around since 1997 and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" to the industry. MPA3® V5 - The most intuitive Affiliate Program Software ever made - MPA3® V5 – Anything Else Is A Replica

12-08-2004, 01:08 PM	#47
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	shame to see such a constructive thread go to waste oh and btw, damn Garry try and spell an entire post correctly for once lol. __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here! Last edited by pradaboy; 12-08-2004 at 01:09 PM..

12-08-2004, 01:21 PM	#48
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Listen, Being that I am now handling some public relations for NATS- All I can say is that both company owners are fine people- Ihave known Oystein a long time. People know that when you bash competition you essentially look bad yourself. I don't think John or Nathan said anything terribly insulting regarding MPA2- I just see them quoting facts, and see a lot of happy NATS customers coming into the thread talking about their wonderful service, and the great affiliate software they had purchased through NATS. It's a true testimonial of a company when your clients come out of the woodwork to tell of their happy experience with your product. I can tell you that by the number of people I have hit up to spread the word about NATS- I haven't heard one bad thing about the product or company. I have only heard that John and his partners were very aggressive and extremely self confident in their abilities to handle their clients needs. I don't see that as a bad thing... Do you? __________________ Last edited by TheGoldenChild; 12-08-2004 at 01:25 PM..