Now this one has me worried..
They don't wan't to change from mpa2.. that's the one with the shave feature build in, right ?
Makes you wonder why they don't want to change :1orglaugh

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Do these guys really think that they're making things better for their company?

With each post they make, they just dig their hole even deeper.

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Do you really think that this industry is all about GFY ? And do you really think that all the webmasters that are on this board really do not see through this.
Most webmasters are going for the program that makes them the most money. They dont even care what back end it has as long as they make more money with the same traffic then with the next one. You can not seriously think that just because this feature was in the script 2 and a half year ago that everyone that have mpa2 now uses it!

It is a hand full webmasters on this board who yell the loadest. And if you look at the treadhs it is the same few guys that say the same thing all the time.

And NATS are playing it for what its worth.

You're full of lots of hot air. You also seem to think people are stupid. They're a lot smarter than you think and they see through your bullshit. You must have thought they were stupid to think you could put a fraud feature right in your software and have no one care. I'm also yet to hear you say it was wrong. All I see you do is blame the program owners for using it or the affiliates. How on earth can you blame the affiliates. It's a bunch of hot air & BS.

We get clients from all over, not just GFY.

Your software doesn't simply just "make them more money". Thats more hot air and more assuming people are stupid. Most of them see right thourgh these stupid marketing attempts.

And iut's the majority of the people around, not just a few people on this board. Open your eyes, I think you're starting to even fool yourself into beliving your BS.

Oh god where do I begin?

Seeing that this is GFY we can set the serious legalities of selling a system to steal aside.

I think MPA is almost singlehandedly responsible for the current epidemic of shaving, and the two tier affiliate systems we see now where there is one shave for the celeb webmasters and an ass shave for everyone else.

Now it's fair to say that MPA is not responsible for the dubious morals in the industry, but it is at the foremost of those things that drive the culture of cheating that we see here now.

That said I think MPA could fix this by having some sort of certification system and a code checksum setup that would prevent webmasters from modifying the software. These techniques are used in banking software to prevent fudging.
Think of how popular a shave proof setup would be with affiliates.

Let me first say that the period this feature where in the mpa2 program was very short. We did take it out pretty fast when we saw that it caused of fuz. Of all the programs we have sold only one company I know of have ever used it. And they are no longer with us now. So I think you are giving us credit for to much here now.
Having been around since 1996 I would say that shaving was a much bigger issue in the past then what it is now. But that is just my two cents.

But you are raising another great point there ! Certification system. If you know of a good way of doing this please let me know. I will be their first customer!

Or if anyone else have some good ideas on how to win back the trust of everyone please let me know.

Im open for all suggestion !

For once I agree with you :) We should all be working together on this as a community.

Hurray,, You might see that this will work out for the best for everyone after all.

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I will sign up for this as well.

Lets find a mutual agreeable platform and supplier (not chosen by neither party) for such a platform.

I am all ears and all in!

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I heard that in your Clicktruth contract it states that you are the only affiliate software they can provide services to. Is this the case? (Again, I heard, and that is why I am asking)

Totally agree on that one :thumbsup

Okay now you guys are fighting already.


WHy is YOURS better then the other one...And what is your pricing schedule?( the NATS one is on their site, can't find it from MPA3)

Andre

Yes, we do have an exclusive agreement with them - but I have no problem making that open if you would like to get in on this.

To the best for the adult webmaster community I am open for anything that can help.

Let me know and I will talk to John Van Arnam over there and have the contract revised to not be exclusive.

I have NO problems with that. I actually told him (John) that a while ago as well.



:)

Look, let's just all go back to CTC :)

The Mansion bunch will never publicly admit to any culpability regarding their fraud module. Think about it...if they did, they'd be publicly admitting to a playing a part in RICO fraud.

Oh, but they're a bunch of "stand up guys" ROFL!!!!!!

wow, now that is pretty fuckin cool

I don't know if I really think an auditor within the adult industry is the best solution but I'd certainly be interested in hearing more about it. I'll hit you up on ICQ tomorrow morning about it.

Heck, tell me what is better and I am all ears then too.

TTY tomorrow.

Oystein

I couldnt have said it better myself!
maybe mpa should team up with I Bill.

Duke

Now here is a thought.

What could we at Mansion do so that you the webmaster would feel absolutely 100% certain that anyone who uses the mpa3 program have no shaving opportunities what so ever ?

We have added the clickthrouth, but I am willing to go even further. Just let me know what you would like. I am open for all suggestions!

Now this is a challenge to you guys. You have the opportunity to make a win win situation here.

PRIZE: $1 000 to the person that come up with the best suggestion.

RULES:
#1. It must be accepted by the webmaster community.
#2. It must be possible to do.

So now you have the chance. Im open for all suggestion

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MPA could have started earlier with defending their ass.. No excuse for that..

@MP you will always have to live with that mistake. (eg MPA2) Deal with it and shut up..

In the first post you say that everyone can shave, now you want us to proof that your program can't shave... You've just said you can!

The only way to prevent shaving in any decent capacity would be to have some compiled code that would check the integrity of the files, as well as the database it's using to store things in, not on every request of course, but periodically. If i were told to do something like this, i would create an md5 for each file, and as far as the database goes, that's a bit harder, perhaps you could just write it to check the numbers and make sure everything adds up, or perhaps encrypt everything in there so that direct tampering would be difficult. (btw, this is all possible to do, even if it requires a little thinking outside of the box). anyways, that's my :2 cents: and i'll take a wire transfer or paypal :thumbsup


edit: if you have any questions 297994306

I once promoted a program that used MPA. I knew something was up because I had previously promoted the same program directly thru epoch... then someone told me a shave feature was built into it, i was fucking livid. not just built into it, but it was the first fucking thing a webmaster sees in the software. I knew i was being clipped..

do you think affiliates, which drive the program owner appreciate the ability to be shaved?

i've spoken with john and NATS recently... you know what their theory is.. "if someone rewrites our software to include a shave feature, we will sue them and leave them homeless" - they know that would alter their reputation, and considering people pay on a monthly basis, it doesnt leave you locked in, so I know they will be committed to upholding the honesty of their software. they flat out told me, and its no secret why im seeing their name pop up everywhere.

Screw that it shouldn't even be an option for them to stay on MPA2, it should be mandatory to upgrade to MPA3. I'm sure they are quite happy with the shave feature in MPA2. So why on earth would they want to upgrade to MPA3 which supposedly no longer has this fraud feature.

hmm, Whens your little impromptu contest going to end? and should i actually look forward to getting payed? :Graucho

i actually agree with this too, it should be mandatory to upgrade to mpa3 from mpa2.....at least for both companies to save face

can someone post a list of sponsors using mpa2...so i can stop sending traffic and not sign up to any others...
:)

A non-confidentiality clause in the MPA3 agreement wont allow us to do so.

Very simple reason really.

:)

could you answer this one too while your at it?

The answer to this one is pretty easy. They dont want to change because they have so many special custumizations made just for their program that it would be a pain to move them over to mpa3. The 15 programs that are still left using the mpa2 program have all either got he module you guys talk about taken out by their requests OR this feature where not in the mpa2 program when they bought it.

Well I think we owe it to the webmasters and program owners to run this competition a while longer. We have to at least run it till the end of the day tomorrow.....

of course, just curious :)

mpa2 mpa3 mpa5 died already.
whatever you do whatever you say!
are you understand?

only one chance:
change your company name, phone ...
change your name...
change your software name .. .

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interesting thread to read through. :glugglug

15 programs.. you go work it out. :)

how about this...instead of just doing what every other fucker does.....why not go to a government agency that handle things of this nature and report them for shaving? they are commiting a federal offense, why not get them busted? I am sure somewhere in the government there is some sort of task force or agency that investigates these things, and can track things of this nature

so much talk, and I guarantee 90% of the people on here that say they will stop using an mpa2 sponsor don't have more than 100 clicks through to any sponsor a day

Actually... from my perspective... I would say quite the opposite is true.

I see programs that are caught cheating time and time again and yet people still flock to them.

It amazes me.

One thing I have learned in all the bullshit we have gone through...

No offense to anyone at NATS since I do not know them or their software. I just see time and time again whoever claims that they are the most honest and everyone else cheats is probably the biggest fraud of all.

oooooo snap!

Raw stealing of signups isn't the only way sponsors 'shave' the cream of the traffic. It's funny watching all the anti-shave vigilante webmasters get riled up over something that's been happening since 1995/6

Let's not forget who put NATS on the map.

Hint: see sig (shave-free)

Ok ... Who use mpa3 ? I don't see many big programas out there using it ...

And if you consider this place a small part of this industry, you'd be surprised how many people come and read.


GFY isn't only this business ...
I post on JBM DMPM AWI and sometimes on couple other boards ...

you guys who are knocking MPA are newbs. that's the only excuse for you...

any program paying out more than $25 PPS, ***IS SHAVING YOU***.... this is fact, and my resume certifies this so STFU if you say anything otherwise.

He resumed everything in this post ... read it, and maybe go find another business because I doubt you'll get anywhere in this one with that kind of attitude . Learn from your mistakes and move on