LisaMarie

I sent out a copy of Gordon Sinclair's kind words about America (written some time ago)
to EVERYONE on my contact list, and this is the response I got (from some evil jerk)
here's the conversation (you may want to start from the bottom)

feel free to write him
(he said he doesn't care)

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well, now that you got that out of your system, I'll be SURE to pass this along to the FBI



a VERY PROUD American citizen!

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On 9/13/01, at 7:42 PM, [email protected] wrote:

>Like I really care if you notify everyone of my ignorance personally I don't give a damn fucking shit to what happened to the incident, U.S. has hurt and bombed lots of country's in the middle east and no one has said anything towards them! bombed lots of building and killed a lot of people, but when something little happens to them they react like a bunch of pussy's and so are the people reacting with the same style.
>I personally think that whatever has happened to the U.S. shows to them on how when they bomb other countries that this is not a joke killing people, and I'm sure the people in the U.S. have lots of feeling about their relatives and friends that died, U.S. people aren't the only humans, human's are all around the world! they treat other counties like if they were the only humans out there so they need to stop and become peaceful, I personally not saying what these terriosts have done is right but they have done it because they are sick of what has happened to them.
>
>If you read and find out how many countries U.S. had bombed then you will shut up.
>Look at IRAQ for an example! why do the people in there have to get hurt? why don't the U.S. just bomb the fucker Saddam Hussein? do you think people in IRAQ like saddam Hussein? lol! no They don't! do you know what happens to people in IRAQ if someone says they don't like saddam Hussein ? they get thrown in a deep place that is full of acid! that will make their entire body disappear.
>
>I hope you know what I mean but lots of people don't think of things like that.
>and the U.S. deserves to what has happened to them, and I don't care and give a shit about anything else that I hear.
>
>
>Thank you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PlanetCD
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: remove?!!
>
>
>
> what?!!!
>
> that wasn't SPAM! I have your e-mail because you wrote me for something previously
> (I sent that to EVERYONE in my address book)
>
> the fact that you're asking me to remove you after such an e-mail means you're cold and heartless,
> and I will DEFINATELY remove you permanently! don't ever ask me for anything you cold jerk!
>
> God forbid something like this every happens to you! I hope you get NO HELP at all!
>
>
> Lisa Marie

>
> P.S.. I'm going to notify EVERYONE I know of your ignorance! Mr. xteens!
>
>
>
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>
> On 9/13/01, at 3:53 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> > From: PlanetCD
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:57 PM
> > Subject: re: America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you haven't already read what Canadian Gordon Sinclair had to say about America, it's below.
> > If you HAVE already read it (but haven't passed it on) please do so!
> >
> > God Bless America (and those who stand beside us)!
> >
> > Lisa Marie
> > --------------
> >
> > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> >
> > America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> > remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
> > Canadian
> > television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant
> > remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
> > the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the
> > earth.
> >
> > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
> > lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions
> > of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries
> > is
> > today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
> > States.
> >
> > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
> > Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and
> > swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
> > hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened
> >
> > by
> > tornadoes. Nobody helped.
> >
> > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
> > into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
> > writing
> > about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >
> > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
> > the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does
> > any
> > other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
> > the
> > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them?
> >
> > Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American planes?
> >
> > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman
> > on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
> > You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk
> > about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but
> >
> > several
> > times - and safely home again.
> >
> > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in
> > the
> > store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are
> > not
> > pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them,
> > unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
> > dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
> >
> > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> > through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
> >
> > When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke,
> > nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
> >
> > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
> > other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone
> > else
> > raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
> > outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
> >
> > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
> > damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of
> > this
> > thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to
> > thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their
> > present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
> >
> > Stand proud, America!
> > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read
> > regarding
> > the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish
> > that
> > the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for
> > everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do.
> >
> > I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as
> > you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their
> > friends
> > until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just
> > a single American that has read this.
> >
> > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.

eRock

JEEZ-ZUS! What a fuck-o! At least you have his email up there!

Amputate Your Head

I'm going to make sure this asshole gets what he deserves. 'Nuf said.

stfuvt

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Sjayne

He speaks some truths but has a bastard way of saying them and is saying them at the wrong time. By doing that he stops people from wanting to listen.

Its not about Iraq today..it it about the people that died. I do hope in the end it teaches us to respect other nations when they have massive losses..in earth quakes, etc. Now we know how they feel. I wish we didn't.

CDSmith

Well, out of how many on your list you got one lousy response, that's pretty good odds I'd say. This is a prime example of how stupid, ignorant and sheltered some countries keep their citizens. Look at his words, he mentions about how many times the U.S. has bombed other countries. What he DOESN'T say is why they did so, or why those fucking countries deserved it. He also calls what happened on Tuesday as a "little" thing, thus minimizing the enormity of it. he says the U.S. reacts like a bunch of pussies. LOL One can only hope that this fellow lives in an area where they will feel just how pussy-like the wrath of the U.S. and it's allies can be.

The people that attacked the US last tuesday and those behind the plan are not human in any way. Watching them get killed on CNN will be my great pleasure indeed, and I intend to watch for links on the net to any official fund that we can contribute to, to back the effort to kill these fucking animals one by one, ten by ten, or 10,000 by 10,000. Whatever it takes.

I wouldn't feel too badly about what this moron said. I wouldn't even write him back, because you can tell by his tone that his mind has been crazy-glued in place by years of false propaganda and a wrong-thinking lineage that stems all the way back before the great wars. Fuck him.

By the way folks, did I mention that Gordon Sinclair is a staff writer for the Winnipeg Free Press? I've actually spoken to the man, he's quite something.

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mischief

I can assure you Lisa, virtually all Canadians share Mr. Sinclair's view. (except maybe rhizome). As for that other dickhead in your post, not worth talking about. The poor boy is just looking for attention, everyone ignore him.

LisaMarie

thanks everyone
I'm glad you all share my anger
(I was too upset to keep it to myself - and he asked for it)
hahaha

yep, CD, you're right! that was the only negative response (so that IS pretty good)
hehehe

I also agree with you on the justice that NEEDS to be done!

I'm sure they'll make some of that money back if they do it on pay-per-view

eRock

It really IS cool to hear that non-Americans are being so supportive! I, as I'm sure others, really appreciate that!

CDSmith

Erock, if by "non-americans" you mean us Canadians, you must remember, not only do we usually support and lend a hand to the U.S. whenever we can, but there were also a sizeable # of Canadians killed in this attack as well, both in the buildings and also as passengers on the planes. We are just as pissed as you are, believe me. You are not alone in this by a longshot.

CD.

Amputate Your Head

I don't know about interpreting the rest of his statements, but this one I don't need to. It's pretty clear.

"the U.S. deserves to what has happened to them"

rhizome

Thanks for the plug mischief It is true I don't share Mr. Sinclair's views who by the way I thought died in 1984. But at the same time the response to that ICQ was indeed reactionary and tarnished by ignorance. The question of who deserves what is pretty irrelevant since it previledges an almost Biblical understanding of justice. The U.S. didn't deserve the attack but by the same logic Iraq didn't deserve what it encountered in '91 nor will (plug in your favorite Middle East nation) deserve what it is about to encounter.

Amputate Your Head

I tried to resist, but I can't.

What?? Iraq didn't deserve it? Excuse me.... Did Kuwait deserve to be invaded by Saddam's animals? Did their women deserve to be brutally raped by them? Did they deserve to have their country destroyed?

Iraq didn't get ENOUGH.

LisaMarie

"the response to that ICQ was indeed reactionary and tarnished by ignorance."

what icq? nobody said anything about ICQ, it was an e-mail (unless you're talking about something else)


[This message has been edited by LisaMarie (edited 09-14-2001).]

mischief

Did Kuwait deserve what they got back in '91?

mischief

Ah, you beat me too it Amp. Bleeding hearted liberals never consider the crime, only the human rights of the perpetrators. It's exactly your thinking rhizome, that has gotten us the faint hope clause in Canada, you know, the new law that says any mass murderer/rapist/scum of the earth, should be elgible for release from prison after 15 years if they are "truly sorry". Sometimes I truly don't know what this world is coming to.

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eRock

Actually, that is part of meant...BUT I did not reralize it affected you as well. I apologize. I admit, I'm very wrapped up in American patriotism & am thinkin' of only us. I didn't realize & am sorry for taking Canada lightly in this matter. But hey...ya know what? Let's fuckin' grill these guys for dinner! Whatta ya think!?

CDSmith

Rhizome spake thusly --

by the same logic Iraq didn't deserve what it encountered in '91

Er, what type of logic exactly is this? Iraq deserved EVERYTHIHG they got, and they actually got <u>less</u> than they deserved by a long shot. The person behind all those people dying was allowed to live on to possibly do it again in another incident, and the people of that country not only cheered for their tyrant leader but they jeered the US openly. Many Iraqui citizens were videotaped as saying the US is evil and will/must be crushed at all costs. Are you brainwashed just like them Rhizome, or are you just brainless period?

nor will (plug in your favorite Middle East nation) deserve what it is about to encounter.

I'm sure that each nation will be given every chance to give up their terrorists without so much as a scratch. It's their choice weather they come out ahead or behind the 8-ball. If they choose the latter, so be it, they will definitely without a shadow of a doubt reap what they sow and get what they deserve.

tell me Rhi, why are you so fucking clueless? I hate it when a fellow Canadian shows such stupidity in the face of such important issues. What is it exactly that you WANT Rhizome? Do you want the US to do nothing? Okay, answer me this mr pacifist... why have you not been imploring the terrorists to reconsider THEY'RE aggressive ways lately? How come you wait until AFTER the attack to make your plea for peace? Isn't your timing a bit bass-ackwards here? Aren't you pleading with the wrong people?

I think so. Now, feel free to exercise your right to come back here and shoot your mouth off at me for trying to get you to give your fucking head a shake. You're already pretty much neck-deep in it, a few more inches won't bury you. Bring it on.

CD.

stangster

Where's Canada?

rhizome

It has nothing to do with being a liberal - I have no sympathy for fascism of any kind. Of course Kuwait didn't deserve what it got but since when does one action (invading a country to monopolize its oil supply) justify a completely unrelated action (leveling brutal economic sanctions leading to extreme malnutrition and hundreds of thousands of deaths)? In the same way, America's actions of removing and discouraging democracies in order to place in power their own puppet dictators does not justify indiscriminatory attacks on civilians. Like I said, it's not a question of reciprocity (to use bin-Laden's phrase). Bin-Laden is wrong to use Islamic law to justify his actions just as the U.S. is wrong in following suit. Violently attacking something completely irrelevant to the problem at hand is not a suitable way to air your grievances.

CDSmith

STANGSTER -- You better figure the answer to that out right quick smart guy. We are your greatest ally, and we are the larger country to the North of you. Smartass.

Plus we invented Basketball, hockey, the robot arm on all of your space shuttles, and a bazillion other crazy yet useful things that clutter your life with convenience.

Value your friends, don't insult them.

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Amputate Your Head

How the fuck can you possibly calculate, even if you are on dangerous levels of crack, that this, or Desert Storm, is totally unrelated?

Rhizome, I'm fully convinced you are either one of two things:

You either work for terrorists and buy into their backwards propaganda, or you are completely out of your fucking mind.

eRock

CD...if you were speaking to me, I'm confused as to what you're getting at w/ me. I was just apologizing for being ignorant towards any Canadians being involved in this disaster.

mischief

rhizome, Iraq did not want to monopolize Kuwait's oil, they wanted access to the sea. To follow, they wanted Saudi. Saudi knew exactly what was going down, and was more than happy to have the U.S. put a stop to it. The U.S. isn't responsible for starving Iraqi's, Saddam Hussein is. When you see small nations being attacked and the citizen's raped and pillaged and stripped of all their worldly possesions, (remember Saddam and Milosavic)it's fine to say, tsk tsk isn't that sad, but if the U.S. steps in to put a stop to it, they are nothing but power hungry, war mongering bastards. Where the fuck are your morals?

CDSmith

Amp, you owe me 10 bucks.

Rhizome, just like I bet on, there you are like clockwork. Thanks for more stupidity. I'm sorry, I just have to say that, because again you have the issues clouded like a dirty penny.

but since when does one action (invading a country to monopolize its oil supply) justify a completely unrelated action (leveling brutal economic sanctions leading to extreme malnutrition and hundreds of thousands of deaths)?

See, there you go leaving out vital facts. They did that because of Saddam Hussein's insistance on keeping his fucking chemical weapons hidden and ready to use. There were many extenuating circumstances in that storyline that you are ignoring. He was putting every country that borders Iraq in jeopardy, and THAT is why those sanctions were imposed. Your memory is selective and very short it would seem.

You seem intelligent, yet your take on current and past events is one of seeming weakness and passivity, all the while accusing those on the side of rights and freedoms of wrong-doings. "puppet dictators"?? God you are being utterly stupid here. And what's so wrong about keeping an eye on the rest of the world in order to preserve our way of life?? That's right, OUR way of life, here in Canada too we enjoy a relatively free society because of keeping the same precepts, standards and guidlines as the US does. I see nothing wrong with infiltrating another country and causing some changes IF those changes are both beneficial to the people of that country and the changes serve to preserve the peace and well-being of our own nation.

Why you have a problem with that is beyond me. This "since when does one action..." crap is just that...CRAP. It's like saying a guy murdered your sister. The authorites want to have the police go out and find your sister's killer and bring him to justice. That justice might very well be a death penalty. Are you telling me you're going to say "no, leave the killer alone. More violence would be wrong" ???? Is that what you're saying here? Because that's what it sounds like.

people like you make me sick. Get some guts.

How did God pack so much dumbass into one head?? God truly does work miracles

mischief

cd, erock was just funnin' ya man.

Amputate Your Head

I don't know where you come up with these CD... but they rock.

10 bucks? Hell... I knew he was braindead.

eRock

Thank you, buddy. At least someone unbderstands me...sniff, sniff.

eRock

Thank you, buddy. At least someone unbderstands me...sniff, sniff.

LisaMarie

to be honest (and no offense to you CD, you seem REALLY cool) I think what erock meant by...
"It really IS cool to hear that non-Americans are being so supportive!"

was really...
"It really IS cool to hear that other countries are being so supportive of the Americans!"

I took "non-americans" to mean "people other than those living in America"

unless, of course, I misunderstood?
(that happens sometimes when you're blonde like I am)

CDSmith

No, in that last post I was addressing Stangster's comment.

Sorry you got yourself caught in the crossfire Erock.
Get your sorry ass up to Canada and I buy the beer.
(and we can shoot A-rabs as they drive by)

eRock

Thank you Lisa...that's EXACTLY what I meant! I wasn't meaning to ignorant, nor should you get upset about it. Just tell me...it's all good in tha 'hood!
We love our country as I'm sure you do...it means a lot for us to FINALLY become one!

CDSmith

Yes, I've often wanted to become one with Lisa Marie

CD

eRock

LMAO...

LisaMarie

hehehe

stangster

When did Alaska become Canada? I feel so confused.

eRock

That was your plan all along wasn't it? Uh huh! I knew it!

stangster

jk CD..

eRock

I'm confused too. When did it? Lemme know...

LisaMarie

it's all good

if I could ever bring myself to leave Wisconsin, it'd be a tough choice between the two

eRock

Ah jeez! My Ma's one of them Chees Heads!

LisaMarie

yep yep

Green Bay Packer fan all the way!



but I don't think I'm old enough to be your ma (I'm only 29)

ammo325

Rhizone,

What is your solution to the problem. Just sit back and ingnore what is going on? Last time the US did that, 40 mil Jews were anihilated.

Don't know about you but I don't want that on my conceince. What we are doing here is fighting for our freedom. Which also means we are fighting for everything that America is. The land, the people, and our way of life. If we just sit back and do nothing, whats next.

Maybe George W. should call up the guilty and accept an apology. In some situations violence does not constitute more violence. What do I need to teach my son? If a bully punches your lights out at school, just turn the other cheek and let him bash the other one. Maybe that worked 2000 years ago, but I don't remember gangs, shootings, and drugs as their major problem back then.

The best course of action is to stand up and take action. To you this might mean walking in front of a building with a picket sign. Well you are FREE TO CHOOSE to do that!

eRock

No you didn't!

eRock

Hey...I'm 29 too! Don't mentio that "old" shit!

pet

Um, CD? Just when was this? Gordon Sinclair died on May 17, 1984.
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rt.../sincla_g.html

Rocky

hi everyone

sorry for my absence from posting on this board

i have read every thread since Tuesday but have been unable to express my emotions

condolences to the victims and their families and love and support to all of my American neighbors

heartfelt thanks to CDSmith for his banner and link (which i have been using) and to HungryMan and LisaMarie (whom i have talked with on the phone and ICQ during this tragic week)

the collective sorrow from this tragedy could bring tears to a stone

CDSmith

That's the other Gordon Sinclair.

<a href="http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/news/editorial/index.html" TARGET="_blank">The Winnipeg Free Press</a>
Sinclair, Gordon Columnist 697-7255 [email protected]

Spoke to him a few months back, with regard to my court case.

CDSmith

Yes, the Gordon that wrote that radio script died back then, he was quite the old fellow. Funny how, although written back in the 70's with regard to the bashing the US was taking for the whole Viet Nam thing, yet even today his words hold true to the letter.

Then you get people like Soul and others that think they know better than such a learned man as Mr. Sinclair, and call his words horseshit or drivel or whatever. Back in the 70's when he wrote that script he had forgotten more about foreign policy and international morals than guys like them will ever know.

I used to watch Mr Sinclair, Betty Kennedy, old Pierre Burton and Alan Fotheringham on "Front Page Challenge", a national political debate and TV's longest-running panel discussion. Old Gordon used to rock in those debates.
http://www.mbcnet.org/ETV/F/htmlF/fr...rontpagech.htm

Over the years, some of the show's guests included figures as diverse as Indira Gandhi--saying she would never go into politics--Eleanor Roosevelt, hockey player Gordie Howe, Tony Bennett, and Errol Flynn, along with Mary Pickford, a Canadian and one of cinema's first stars. Walter Cronkite even announced his new job as CBS anchor on the program.

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tolik

Saudi been happy?
Yugoslavian people been happy?
Or maybe Japan peoples in Hirosima been happy when fucking americanos dropping atomic bombs on innocent peoples?

who ask americans to come in Bosnia?

maybe you fucking clinton?



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