blackmonsters

George Bush will open a 3rd front of war in Iran.

Why?

Here are HIS (stressed his, not my) reasons:

1. Iran is supporting the insurgency in Iraq. attacking Iran will disrupt the money flow even though the fighting will increase.

2. The US techno advantage is lost in Iraq because it is most effective in "long range combat"...ex. cruise missles which have no purpose now in Iraq but would be easily usefull in a new attack on Iran.

3. The US is already in a position to attack in Iran.

4. Sends a strong message to North korea

5. Westernization and colonization is the real goal in the middle east; not removing Sadam.

6. Bush has 4 years to live out his fantasy so he must start now.

7. The sure way to get Iranian fighters out of Iraq is to force them to return to Iran to fight for their own country.



EVIDENCE:

1. The troops going to Iran will come from the pacific theatre and employ a new "rapid deployment" strategy using "stryker brigades".
These brigades are publicy stated to only beging training in 2005...BULLSHIT, they are already trained and moving quitely at night to the harbors of Hawaii to be shipped out.

2. Troops from the DMZ in Korea have already been withdraw for re-deployment.

3. Pre-Iraq war rhetoric is being mirrored toward Iran.

4. What the fuck else is this idiot going to do?





Truth and results:

1. Failure is imminent because removing the money will not work against the insurgency. They aint fighting for money and don't fucking need any.

2. Iran has had 18 months to study US troops on the ground and will be prepared for a guerilla war not yet seen before. The US will never occupy Iran for this reason and the US techno edge will be meaningless after the initiall attacks.


3. The only message North Korea will get is that they need to seek desparate messures to destroy the US which means providing it's long range missle technology to Iran.



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The next few years will see some sad and disallusioned faces in America. It will be remebered as the era when our leaders stretched us too far.

Alltopnotch

things are gonna get real ugly pretty soon...i see a real big war devoloping eventually...

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blackmonsters

That's what I'm saying. I just was looking at some facts to see if my thoughts are in reality and seems to be so.

blackmonsters

OH NO!!!

Not another response that quotes shit that was never said.
I didn't say jack shit about Hitler.

Stick to the subject or just STFU.

stereolab

where's he going to get the troops to take on Iran?

*brrrr*
anyone feel that draft? close the window!

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Kard63

If we attack Iran we will win. Dont be silly.

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blackmonsters

Oil reserves under his thumb?????

His thumbs must be scoarched from all the oil pipeline explosions.

junction

Do I think its going to happen? Probably. Bush has involved us in a HOLY WAR. According to their bible, the war will NOT end untill all of us, or all of them are dead. There will never be peace between the US and the middle east. They have been at war for over 6,000 years. But since you are taking a conspiracy theorist view on things...........

China is our biggest threat at this time.

Think about it. A trade deficit of nearly 160 billion. They hold approx 100 billion in US Bonds. They are industrializing at an alarming rate. Everything you idiots that shop at Wal-Mart buy comes from China. They have us buy the balls.

Hit me when I am more sober. We could go on for hours about this.

slavdogg

sweet
4 MORE YEARS

slavdogg

actually in Iran's case
we'll get support from the Saudies and the Egyptians, both cant stand Iran and are scared of them.

stereolab

don't forget, china just signed one of the biggest oil deals in history with Iran. a war with China will be fought in the desert. and after they put a sell order on all their treasuries, they could put a hurting on our economy first,

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blackmonsters

Sure, just like in Iraq.

junction

The war will not be fought in the desert. The war has already started and we have already lost. They already have us by the balls. The us dollar is already in the toilet. There is a push right now to put the oil on the euro standard, not the US standard. Fuck, even Putin is in the process of backing the ruble with gold.

Joe Citizen

...and Vietnam!

Mr. Mike

Very true. However, we will also have 10 times the casualties on boths sides. Iran is very different from Iraq, if we think Iraqi's are extremists, we've got something else coming. Iran is fucked up so bad, life means nothing over there, and land means everything. And there's millions among millions more peolpe in Iran than Iraq.

Not good, I just hope whatever we do, is the right thing to do.

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stereolab

i think the u.s. is about to experience some massive inflation. some say it will only lead to deflation (which is worse). who knows what tomorrow brings, but it doesn't look promising. oil trumps everything.

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junction

Our economy is already headed into a recession, possibly a depression.


You are 100% right there.


Funny you mention that considering that there are official US reports from as far back as the 1960's stating that military intervention is the only way to insure we have enough oil.

stereolab

some guy just put a book whose central point is that the sole purpose of the united states military is to protect oil interests around the globe. not 'united states' oil interests, but private oil companies who may or may not have direct connections to those in office. take a look around south america, mideast and caspian sea. the real action will probably end up in africa. a lot of our oil is coming from that area such as places like Equitorial Guinea.

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WarChild

No need for ground to ground fighting in Iran. Base of operations remains Iraq, toss cruise missiles and staging bombing raids from there.

Besides, no real need to go after Iran .. Israel will take care of it.

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blackmonsters

I have to disagree.

China's philosphy does not allow then to seek a conflict beyond their borders.

History has proven this and it's reminents can be seen in the Great Wall.

They will become an economic rival at best and that's all they will seek.

China see's America and Eroupe for what they are...imperialistic fools. They are only interested on maintaining their current borders.

junction

ICQ me please 135-378-892

Drake

Why is it in your opinion that the US Government hasn't done anything about this? They must have seen this coming even before we did.

junction

ICQ me too pleae 135-378-892

Rich

Obviously they're going to attack Iran, they're already making up excuses for it and drumming it up on the "news".

Have fun controlling another 80 million insurgents, retards. Oh and have fun with the draft also. Venezuela's next.

stereolab

if there is a looming oil crunch, all bets are off the table. i read an interesting article talking about how investment banks are actually taking delivery physical barrels of oil and stockpiling them in dutch warehouses. this is wild shit. they are buying fields. this isn't speculation, this looks like preparation.

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Rich

The problem is going to start with Taiwan.

WarChild

Haven't done anything about this? You don't think invading Iraq helps keep oil on the Petro Dollar Standard?

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Drake

Does this not concern anybody else? I'm concerned about the future of this country. It's as if we're walking right into 3rd world status and not doing anything about it.

Fukeneh

americans need to stop being pussies, if we start another war we need to finish it just like we finished the fucking japs.

we should be the ones proving things to the north koreas of the world with our swift and deadly actions towards those that seek to threaten american(and other) life.

blackmonsters

You've got to be joking.

Israel will be in knee deep shit if they tried to take on Iran.

The only thing that kept Iran from crushing Israel is that they had to go thru Iraq to do it. We all know about the Iran/Iraq war which was boosted by the US to ensure a virtual stalemate.
This is why Iran cannot reach Israel.

WarChild

What do you suppose Israel needs 500 bunker busting bombs from the USA for? Aren't Iran's new nuclear facilities in underground bunkers? Hmmm.

Go through Iraq? Seems to me there's another heavily armed, technologically superior army in their way. Iran doesn't need to be occupied, just bombed to rid them of their nuclear facilities.

Israel is armed to the teeth with technology and nukes. Israel will not let Iran be a nuclear threat to themselves. Mark my words, it will be Israel that attacks Iran.

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blackmonsters

Assuming that your leader is as inelligent as yourself is no longer a reality.

We live in a country where the start of the presidentail race begins with the following call:

"On your mark, get set, go, may the richest man win"

No one has yet been able to buy brains so the possesion of money is no indication that brains are present.

junction

The problem Mike is, we Americans are too arrogant to see these things coming. History has proven that more than once. There are also economic resons for not doing anything about it.

China provides America with damn near EVERYTHING.

Some administrations even considered China an ally.

The Clinton administration for example sold china top secret missle and satellite guidance systems.

Those systems are now pointing at our troops in Iraq, as China then sold the technology to Iraq, Iran, and other Countries that hate us.

When the day comes that we Americans stop trying to push our views and religion onto others, this might all end. With the exception of the muslims. We crossed the line in the sand if you will. Their religion is pretty cut and dry. We will be at war forever now. This is a war of god to them not oil.

junction

Good Point.

blackmonsters

You are probably right that Israel will attack Iran first but you and others must finally realize the "New War"!

Thru-out history warfare has evolved and changed but amaricans keep harping on the one and only nuke victory.

It's time to get over that. The new war is not won by bombs!
The enemey knows that they cannot give in to that. They have realized the limitation of bombs.
First of all bombs never kill everybody and that leaves people on the ground that requires US forces to get on the ground.
They just sit the bombings out until we get on the ground where the playing field is more equitable for the enemy.

Americans keep saying that we won WWII but never seem to notice that everything we buy is fucking made in Japan.
If we won WWII then why do the Japanese have riches and we have the ghetto and trailer parks???


Get into the "new war"...it's not about body counts anymore.
It's about who ultimately controls the wealth. And last time I checked we fucking owed everybody.

WarChild

In a word, Reperations.

I remember in the 1980's, when "Made in Japan" was synonymous with "Crap". Hard work, intelligence and a lot of US money made Japan what it is today.

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Drake

Let's say we didn't go to Iraq. We would still have the problem with China, would we not?

As you said earlier everything we buy at WalMart and any number of enormous "US" companies, the stuff is all manufactured in China, with more industry going over there every year.

Why keep a company here and pay workers minimum wage when you can produce the same stuff in China paying a few cents an hour.

Some will say that we are arrogant and pushing things on other people, but take that all away and look only at how we're dealing with China and India. We're not shoving anything at them. We're doing business with them. But what happens when virtually everything is being produced overseas and not here at home. Also, who is going to buy the products the Chinese produce when there are fewer Americans working because 1) depression and 2) their job has just been shipped overseas.

I see that we will be getting poorer and weaker in the coming years merely as a result of this 'trade' deficit we have. It's a by-product of wanting to make the most money and being competitive in a market where your competitors are going overseas to produce their goods cheaper and can sell them cheaper. I don't see any solution to this problem. None. And for me, this particular aspect has almost nothing to do with being arrogant.

Do you see it differently?

I also see the Euro gaining strength and even Europe centralizing power so that they are the 'counter-weight' to American power (or has this already come to fruition?) by putting all their differences aside to form a more cohesive stronger unified continent.

Drake

It's even different today. Things used to be made in Japan and Taiwan. Now even the things that used to be made in these countries are made solely in China. Everything has move to China and continues to at rapid speed.

slavdogg

All the Eruopeans are still with other, other than Germans and ze French. French have never been our friends, and Germans well who cares. Majority of Europeans support the US

CET

1. He owns congress and the supreme court. George gets what George wants.

2. I've never bought the line that this is about oil. I suspect this has more to do with trying to fulfill biblical prophecy then it does with oil. If it were about oil, we've had 1.5 years to get it, but we haven't. Dubya is a fundamentalist christian. He believes the bible is the literal and inerrant word of god. Read the book of Revelations, you will get your explaination for why we are so busy in the middle east and doing our best to support Israel, but descretely.

All in all, I've been watching this build up, but I hope we're wrong about this. The one thing we have on our side is that we had a recent and sorted history with Iraq, and we've not had much of anything to do with Iran recently. Hopefully, that will make all the difference and maybe this will all just be a bunch of "puffing up the chest".

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CET

There's a problem with your argument, because we have "favored trading partner" status, China's economy is almost completely dependant on us. If we collapse, they collapse.

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CET

It won't happen. Arabs will not openly stand against arabs with non-arabs. There was one exception, and that was because we were protecting Saudi Arabia and kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. Even then, they gurdgingly agreed, because they saw a tarnish upon their honor as better then being dead.

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Mr. Mike

LOL, not that I care for either party, but Iran would CRUSH isreal in less than 4 days if it wanted. One week tops and they could wipe Isreal off the map.

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CET

Is GDP growth negative? Are leading indicators up or down? Are market indexes rising or falling? GDP is positive, leading indicators are up and all indexes are rising. All of these economic indicators are pointing towards economic growth.

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CET

If that were true, then Kerry would have been elected president.

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WarChild

Not with the United States running Iraq they can't.

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blackmonsters

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I agree.

Economic allies will have the strongest ties in the future ahead.
Japan has a vested interest in supporting the US and China will be in the same position. Considering a conflict with China is stupid at best in any regard and certainly a waste of government resources which need to focus on getting us out of the mess we are in now.

CET

I wish this weren't true, but I believe it to be.

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CET

The bomb worked in WWII because we were fighting a government body. We're not fighting a government body right now, so bombs can't work. Bombs simply don't work in guerilla warfare. That was true in Korea and Vietnam, and it is true today. We are coming to understand that, which is why there isn't crap for bombs and cruise missiles being used. Where the hell would we use them? On a city? Fine, we'll get something like 5 insurgents and 37 civilians. Even if only 1 family member or friend of each of the 37 killed civilians joins the insurgents (and I'm sure Al Jazeera will make sure of that), the insurgents just had a net gain of 32 members. Good work America!

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