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11-18-2004, 06:28 PM
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Online Poker Fanchise
Does anyone here own an online poker game or franchise? What is some good providers out there for franchises and are they bringing in money?
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11-18-2004, 06:38 PM
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Alot of companies offer co-branded and franchise poker site opportunities.
http://www.tribecatables.com/ http://www.bossmedia.se/ http://www.iglobalmedia.com/custombrandlabels.html http://www.microgaming.com/ http://www.pokerincorporated.com/ http://www.dobrosoft.com/
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11-18-2004, 07:11 PM
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Great! Just what I needed. Do you know the pricing of lisencing for these companies? Specifically iglobalmedia?
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11-18-2004, 07:19 PM
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Just what I was looking for
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11-18-2004, 07:23 PM
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I have about 20 more links. Let me sort them out.
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11-18-2004, 07:28 PM
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Thanks, if you can include some prices you are aware of that would be swell since I know a lot of them are very high priced and the sales managers are hard to reach
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11-18-2004, 07:31 PM
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11-18-2004, 07:37 PM
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11-18-2004, 07:37 PM
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11-18-2004, 07:43 PM
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Dobrosoft is the least expensive $3000. I know another program that costs around $5000.
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11-18-2004, 07:45 PM
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Have you heard of americancardroom or something like that? They are about $15,000. Wagerlogic.com is another one and they are about $50,000.
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11-18-2004, 07:48 PM
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I am a bit confused. Americascardroom has their own franchise program but they are listed as a client of Debrosoft? http://dobrosoft.com/clients.html Any more info on Debrosoft besides what I can read on their website?
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11-18-2004, 08:04 PM
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12-05-2004, 12:57 AM
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www.adultpokertour.com uses Dobrosoft. America's Card room is our Francisher
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12-05-2004, 01:08 AM
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6 Digits is WAY TO STRONG of an investment for any of the skins on the shitty sites listed above - If you want to talk to someone who has been there done that, wrtie me at [email protected] ....
I'm SURE Jeff from Adult Poker Tour, Serge, Colin, any of the old timers will tell you I have been messing around in this market for a long time. If you are serious, want to know the advertising budget you need what software providers are worth going with which aren't (due to their reputation in the indsury) along with ANY oher questions you may have write me ryan1978 at insightbb dot com BTW, Jeff I might holler at you soon ... Dobro needs 1/2 million in deals made and they could be a viable network until they do they do NOT have a chance - PERIOD! |
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12-05-2004, 01:11 AM
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For I Global Media, plan on MULTIPLE THINGS
#1) Atleast Six figures for low payout software licensing #2) A minimum proof of 7 digits for advertising #3) Competing with a bunch of other skins that you have no chance in hell of doing so.... If you have say 5 Million dollars I Gloabl Media is an opportunity WELL Worth going after, otherwise do not even inquire - They WILL LAUGH directly to your face... Ryan Lanane |
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12-05-2004, 01:16 AM
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Ryan, sorry to hear about YPN software going under and leaving Nutz Poker out of business. what are your plans now? Pat Adult Poker Tour
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12-05-2004, 01:23 AM
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Hey Pat, I have a few - My number one plan is avoiding new companies who are in the market who fill you with false promises of what they can/will provide.
On the positive side even thoguh YPN Went under EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IS BEING PAID. No If's, And's, or But's!! We allreayd have one player with over $1750 in cashouts pending after I sent him the warning letter when I found out that has recieved all but $250 as of 2 days ago.... Haven't heard from him since when I told him to write me next week if the last cashout he processed didn't go through so... so far so good. As far as my personal plans, well with 1500 player datbase I could get a FREE Skin at ANY of the above mentioned places except IGlobalMedia - but not so sure abut ANY of them for a variety of reasons. If you want to know the reasons why write me an e-mail and I will tell you personally over the phone - Not that it would be libel nor slander since all statements woul be true but I would rather avoid having a libel lawusit filed agst me for something as stupid as a message posted here... All about legal fees $$$$$$$ Ryan |
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12-05-2004, 01:26 AM
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12 casino games + poker + affiliate tracking + admin backend + 6 custom templates. Will trade it for a good webcam system. Icq is in the sig.
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12-05-2004, 01:30 AM
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Watch this hydro dude, doesn't sound reputable - who provided the licensing for the casino software?
You might of stepped into the wrong message bud as I know every casino, poker room, bingo room, etc - That provides software. Is it Boss Media? I hear they were sort of cheap ... Only reason I can think of you posting such a thing here Ryan Lanane |
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12-05-2004, 01:31 AM
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i traded my soul for skittles.
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12-05-2004, 01:35 AM
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if you have 5mil to spend you dont need IGlobalMedia or any other similar co.
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12-05-2004, 01:39 AM
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in the poker industry i think it's too late for anyone to come in. IGlobalMedia(party poker), poker stars, paradise poker, and a few others have the market share and it will stay like that.
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12-05-2004, 01:40 AM
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What the hell is the Skittles comment about?
And jesus christ if you have that kind of mentality you have no business teping into ANY business venture - Your $5,000,000 Investment into IGlobalMedia would "NET" the same 5 MIL within 6- MONTHS I would put 12- 18 months as your profit point... All of your 5 million back PLUS money back after that point, don't EVER be so short sighted as to say "If you have 5 million why spend it on a investment at xxxxxx" That is about the stupidest god damn thing I have EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE!!!! I most likely won't re till I get up tomorrrow but anyone interested in the skinyy on this market contact me. No I don't get kick backs but would be nice to see someone save the $30,000 I wasted on a bust out business with oly a player database to shwo for it ...  |
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12-05-2004, 01:43 AM
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Pat, SO UNTRUE!!!!!
Come on Buddy you know business better hen that! :o) Paradise poker was just SOLD for about 350 million I believe to a sportsbook site, watch for excessive rowth in fish there over coming months. With the same great support paradise has always had. They have never licensed out a skin NOR do I think they EVER WILL. Hell they are able to get away with charging vig on REBUYS + ADD-ONS !!!! NO MARKET IS EVER SO SATURATED IT IS NOT WORTH GETTING INTO "WITH THE RIGHT CONCEPTS" Ryan L. |
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12-05-2004, 01:49 AM
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I can understand why you'd think im out to scam some people since there are so many scammers in the casino business but my casino soft isn't licensed by any of these big companies. It may not be as realistic as microgaming's tables but i was expecting that when i paid the starving programmers. Good looking out for other people though |
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12-05-2004, 01:54 AM
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Is you sick from the dick or is it the flu?
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This is true. In public I like to downplay it so people don't catch on. 
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SporttingBet.com had to pay 350 million to get into the ball game.
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12-05-2004, 02:41 AM
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Internet is still in infancy phase. Better start thinking like that, analyzing and comparing online and offline industries because these capitals create competitive operations on the web at the moment.
IGM started 3 years ago, not in '96. When they started most people they were saying it's hard to enter market etc etc. Internet gambling is indeed hard market and harder than ever at the moment, but this doesn't mean much things. I can tell you innumerable offline operations which are much harder to enter because they require: - greater knowledge n' technology. - greater investment - they have lower ROI margins - they have way slower cashflow. and still every day more new operations enter these markets. If everyone had the mentality you find stupid we would have monopolistic markets. I didn't say that going through IGM isn't a good option; but it's not the only option and for sure it's not the option that will give you independence and priviledges against your competitors. |
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12-05-2004, 03:17 AM
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who actually owns party poker? I cant believe there are 60k people at peak times now. I took a 30 day break from playing, the fish were killing me and now they seem to be doing their job perfectly! ;)
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RML, you got mail
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12-05-2004, 03:41 AM
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boss cobranded is around 20k
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12-05-2004, 03:45 AM
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If I had 5 mil to invest in online poker, there is no way I would concider doing it with Iglobalmedia. For XX,XXX You can get your own fully customized software programmed and market the hell out of it. You can't expect to be the top 3 by using a franchised software and if you have 5mil to invest, becoming top 3 is very possible.
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Ryan, I'll talk to you tomorrow on ICQ about a few things. Pat
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why does it say under your name that adultpokertour.com sucks but then you have the link in your sig
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because I own it and I have a sense of humor genius
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Debrosoft or any other backend provider using MS sql for their database is just waste of time and money...
If your use it, just send the money to me and at least save the time you'll be wasting with it...
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Tread the waters into this minefield extremely cautiously guys. There are a ton of scammers that will gladly take your money and fuck you over at the blink of an eye.
I knew a guy in Ft. Lauderdale that snaked millions out of casino investors and was able to get away with it for years. Unless you have have deep, deep pockets I wouldn't recommend getting into this arena.
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Bot I got a truckload of e-mails on this give me some time people I will get back with all of you...
I have a different ICQ # Now BTW, PLease post your ICQ And I will catchup with you shortly bud... BTW : "SporttingBet.com had to pay 350 million to get into the ball game." They paid $350 Milliond ollars to aquire a business that is already making MILLIONS of dolars a month. They will recoup their investment and be riding pure profit within 12 months especially with the infusion of their sportsbook players to the site increasing the number of fish. More fish draws more solid players and more people draw more fish. This was a VERY smart business move for them. I expect Paradise to stay in Top 3 for good and I see a sublicense to one other huge casino business at some point of time where they will have a shared player database and that could possibly put them in the Top 2 steadily for years to come. "Paradise poker was the 1st or 2nd and Party Poker came along not to long ago and are now the 1st. There is still a couple years left, at least." Nope! http://www.planetpoker.com was the very 1st and http://www.deltapoker.com was the second (who was also on YPN with me expect Delta to have a new software provider soon as well). After that Paradise was in beta forever and opened for real money being the third site.. You then had Poker Stars and UB roughly around the same time.. The rest you should know the order they opened up in.. If not I could dig up a little mroe information on them and post as some opened up so closely to eachoher and there are over 20 different NETWORKS out there now. "If I had 5 mil to invest in online poker, there is no way I would concider doing it with Iglobalmedia. For XX,XXX You can get your own fully customized software programmed and market the hell out of it. You can't expect to be the top 3 by using a franchised software and if you have 5mil to invest, becoming top 3 is very possible." Raulph, You are so off based here you have NO IDEA!! Full Tilt Poker has spent atleast that amount in advertising by having pro players pay there etc... If not they have given up such alrge potion of their business by doing so it equalds more then $5 million in advertising, trust me ... Full Tilt had a chance but their bonus release structure was pathetically horracious and they will never make it due to that alone now. 5 million dollars advertising WITH THE RIGHT people in your company would get you a good strong hold, I would say it would possibly put you in top 10 within 6 months. From that point on expect to spend 90% of profits by putting the money back into advertising for another year to even come clse to crackign the top 5 - And again you MUST have the right team put together being paid well to do such a task. This is a very tricky business, and 5 million is what party poker spends in advertising in pry 5 days.. At Least $1 million a day I would guess in advertising by party. The other 5% should go to divideneds and the other 5% goes to a "Corporate Bankroll" in case any huge expenses came up you had something setup to cover those expenses... "Do you have any clue how much you'd have to spend in advertising in such an increasingly competitive industry?" I do agree very strongly, the amounts are unmeasurable!! If you are starting up a new network you also need money for proposition players and multiple other areas of the business many of you may not have ANY idea exist. You need someone who knows the market inside and outside to help you in these aspects or else you ARE doomed to fail. This is common sense though "Tread the waters into this minefield extremely cautiously guys. There are a ton of scammers that will gladly take your money and fuck you over at the blink of an eye. I knew a guy in Ft. Lauderdale that snaked millions out of casino investors and was able to get away with it for years. Unless you have have deep, deep pockets I wouldn't recommend getting into this arena." I agree with KRL here completely this is not a business you can just expect to open with $50,000 and no existing player database and succeed. You truly need to be prepared for ALOT of things if you are to enter this market, and be raeady to evaluate alot of different providers in legth before going with one of them. Quick Note : My Boss Media comment was a JOKE if you guys didn't catch it or don't know the industry.. |
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Does anyone know how accurate http://www.pokerpulse.com/ is?
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