Is Attention Deficit Disorder A "Real" Disorder or......... - GoFuckYourself.com

KingAsher · 11-23-2004, 12:16 PM

Or is it just an excuse not to pay attention to anything. Ive been taking these pills for ADD since something like 4th grade, now Im thinking maybe its all just a scheme to get people to pay for medicine that they are told they NEED by "professionals" in order to be "normal" And i'll be honest they do manke me capable of Now that I dont know if I want to take them anymore, its gonna be a serious bitch to get myself off these pills that they say are not addictive, I dont know it all just seems mad shady to me. Whats your opinion?

Meta Ridley · 11-23-2004, 12:17 PM

YES its real.
Sometimes its just misdiagnosed.

End of thread

MetaMan · 11-23-2004, 12:19 PM

i personally think they are bad, i mean you are taking something to change your moods, that cant be good, after taking it for years and years who knows how it has changed who you are,

some kids actually need it because they are little crackhead babies,

these days doctors are giving it out more and more, easier also.

anyone can walk in and pretend to have ADD,

im sure if u got off them now after taking them for that many years u would be FUCKED UP.

swedguy · 11-23-2004, 12:22 PM

It's definitely a "real" disorder.

I met someone at a party that had ADD. It took me less than a minute to notice that something was wrong with him, I suspected it was ADD. Later on he said he had ADD and helped other people that had it.

But I think there's a lot of hyper active kids that get diagnosed wrong.

Meta Ridley · 11-23-2004, 12:22 PM

I don't know why its so hard for people to understand that your brain can have actual problems. It's like any other part of your body, actually its much more complicated so naturally more things can go wrong. And since your brain dictates your mood, concentration ,etc , if something goes wrong with it, its ok to assume some is going to go wrong with those aspects of your like. It doesnt take a genius to figure it out.

Ask yourself this, are people's heart problem 'real' or are they making it up? Same thing applies to the brain.

who · 11-23-2004, 12:28 PM

Yeah, it's about as real as the chance of having a black disabled woman president of the United States....

Rich · 11-23-2004, 12:29 PM

Stop taking the pills immediately, it's not an illness, it's a series of symptoms some people don't want you to have. Doesn't it bother you that you've been taking pills for something a doctor can't show you with a blood test? Any kid who doesn't like to pay attention or stand in line gets doped up with mind altering drugs, it makes me sick. Now they'll be good little consumers who listen to what they're told for the rest of their lives.

Wiggles · 11-23-2004, 12:30 PM

i heard a more healthy diet will prevent ADD, my nephew had ADD and my sister put him on a really healthy diet and he was fine after.

Meta Ridley · 11-23-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Doesn't it bother you that you've been taking pills for something a doctor can't show you with a blood test?

you kidding me?

You think everything you have to take medication for shows up on a blood test?

KingAsher · 11-23-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Stop taking the pills immediately, it's not an illness, it's a series of symptoms some people don't want you to have. Doesn't it bother you that you've been taking pills for something a doctor can't show you with a blood test? Any kid who doesn't like to pay attention or stand in line gets doped up with mind altering drugs, it makes me sick. Now they'll be good little consumers who listen to what they're told for the rest of their lives.

It bothers me because of 2 main things.

1) I Am pretty addicted to them, I have tried to stop taking them, then I get these horrible withdrawls and start taking them again. When you have takin them for something like 13-14 years you become kinda reliant on them.

2) I dont feel like Im the same person as I use to be back in the day, Im too calm,I feel like I have taken them for so long that the pills mad me what I am today.

But I have met some people who are just so overboard with energy and are so incapable of staying still that I feel they absolutely need something to calm them down, something like herb but not pills. And Im not gonna front and say they dont help me at all, but I HATE relying on a pill to make me something that I am obviously not. Just mad confusing.

Rich · 11-23-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by KingAsher
It bothers me because of 2 main things.

1) I Am pretty addicted to them, I have tried to stop taking them, then I get these horrible withdrawls and start taking them again. When you have takin them for something like 13-14 years you become kinda reliant on them.

2) I dont feel like Im the same person as I use to be back in the day, Im too calm,I feel like I have taken them for so long that the pills mad me what I am today.

But I have met some people who are just so overboard with energy and are so incapable of staying still that I feel they absolutely need something to calm them down, something like herb but not pills. And Im not gonna front and say they dont help me at all, but I HATE relying on a pill to make me something that I am obviously not. Just mad confusing.

I can imagine they are addictive, I've been battling with cigarettes myself for the better part of a decade. Good luck with whatever you decide dude.

Rich · 11-23-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Meta Ridley
you kidding me?

You think everything you have to take medication for shows up on a blood test?

Everything I would take drugs for, a doctor can show me one way or another. Do you know how they diagnose ADD? A kid has like 11 of 15 symptoms, including shit like not being focus in class and "fidgeting", or what I call being 7, and they get the drugs for the rest of their life.

ElvisManson · 11-23-2004, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by KingAsher
It bothers me because of 2 main things.

1) I Am pretty addicted to them, I have tried to stop taking them, then I get these horrible withdrawls and start taking them again. When you have takin them for something like 13-14 years you become kinda reliant on them.

2) I dont feel like Im the same person as I use to be back in the day, Im too calm,I feel like I have taken them for so long that the pills mad me what I am today.

But I have met some people who are just so overboard with energy and are so incapable of staying still that I feel they absolutely need something to calm them down, something like herb but not pills. And Im not gonna front and say they dont help me at all, but I HATE relying on a pill to make me something that I am obviously not. Just mad confusing.

What are you taking?

I have been on various meds for it for a year and a half now and they DO help me a lot.

Napolean · 11-23-2004, 01:10 PM

definately real, im pretty sure i have it

try to concentrate on somethin but my thoughts are always racing too fast to keep up.

either that or im just manic 24/7

sweandy · 11-23-2004, 01:13 PM

I don't know if i have ADD but from what i've read i have much of all symptoms except the part where you are over energic. I was when i was i kid 4-5years maybe. Couldn't sit still abit but ain't that all kids?

I read it takes about 1-2years to get diagnosed here so i dunno if i want to. Be on pills and stuff couse its the only read cure?

KingAsher · 11-23-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisManson
What are you taking?

I have been on various meds for it for a year and a half now and they DO help me a lot.

Ive takin MAD different pills, first I was on some shit called (and not kidding) methamphetamin had to get it specially compunded, and desoxyn, and of course along with prozac. In the 4th fuckin grade and antidepressants. I stopped taking those shit like a couple of years ago, but I blame mixing those with herb for me going to boot camp for 2 years (whole other story) But now Im on adderoll, and dont get me wrong it does help but the idea of it making me into something Im not, I dont like.

Rich · 11-23-2004, 02:00 PM

To the people here who have ADD, or think they may, honestly do you watch much TV, or did you when you were diagnosed? I'm increasingly convinced the reason so many kids have these symptoms is due to an information overload from television and video games. How can you expect your kid to sit still in class for hours on end when he spends all weekend in a hyperactive video game world?

Our brains are naturally stimulated by jolts... our brain reacts every time something happens. It's our natural instinct that alerted us as soon as cave bears moved in primitive days. In school you don't get many changes or jolts, you're supposed to stay focused without something grabbing your attention every second. Kids watching MTV and shit are constantly being switched from one focal point to another, dozens of times a minute to keep their attention. Video games are worse. I'd love to see more studies done on how this new kind of information pollution affects the undeveloped mind of a child, but unfortunately most people would rather just look for new drugs to keep the kids calm.

Remember, decades ago we didn't care what chemicals were in our food, because everyone was eating the same things and no one questioned it. Now we're doing the same thing with information pollution they present to us and our kids as entertainment.

Sly · 11-23-2004, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
To the people here who have ADD, or think they may, honestly do you watch much TV, or did you when you were diagnosed? I'm increasingly convinced the reason so many kids have these symptoms is due to an information overload from television and video games. How can you expect your kid to sit still in class for hours on end when he spends all weekend in a hyperactive video game world?

I think sugar has a lot to do with it as well. Rich, I can't believe we agree on something.

iwantchixx · 11-23-2004, 02:05 PM

I think they like to find a label for everything. While there can be chemical reasons for most people's behaviour I mostly believe that someone with Add is just someone with lots of energy and hasen't found a productive way to use it yet and in cases of people unable to pay attention is just plainly, they are not interested in the subject at hand.

Rich · 11-23-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
I think sugar has a lot to do with it as well. Rich, I can't believe we agree on something.

I agree, on both counts.

ElvisManson · 11-23-2004, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
To the people here who have ADD, or think they may, honestly do you watch much TV, or did you when you were diagnosed? I'm increasingly convinced the reason so many kids have these symptoms is due to an information overload from television and video games. How can you expect your kid to sit still in class for hours on end when he spends all weekend in a hyperactive video game world?

Our brains are naturally stimulated by jolts... our brain reacts every time something happens. It's our natural instinct that alerted us as soon as cave bears moved in primitive days. In school you don't get many changes or jolts, you're supposed to stay focused without something grabbing your attention every second. Kids watching MTV and shit are constantly being switched from one focal point to another, dozens of times a minute to keep their attention. Video games are worse. I'd love to see more studies done on how this new kind of information pollution affects the undeveloped mind of a child, but unfortunately most people would rather just look for new drugs to keep the kids calm.

Remember, decades ago we didn't care what chemicals were in our food, because everyone was eating the same things and no one questioned it. Now we're doing the same thing with information pollution they present to us and our kids as entertainment.

I am 36. I have NEVER watched much TV. Always found it incredibly boring. same with most movies.

I have to admit that I agree with what you are saying though.

We live in an environment that constanttly bombarbs us with HUGE amounts of stimuli. TV, Video Games, going to the Mall, driving in our cars ( that are now coming equipped with dvd and flat screens.)

I was at the
Digital Hollywood conference a couple of months ago in Santa Monica. Lots of seminars by all of the Corp. VP's from Intel, IBM, Texas Instruments etc...

They were all talking about how content, be it MP3's Video files, etc... are going to become much more "portable" in the near future. It will be interesting to see as we become an even more "wired" society how it will affect our childrens mental, physiological and spiritual well being.

ElvisManson · 11-23-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by KingAsher
Ive takin MAD different pills, first I was on some shit called (and not kidding) methamphetamin had to get it specially compunded, and desoxyn, and of course along with prozac. In the 4th fuckin grade and antidepressants. I stopped taking those shit like a couple of years ago, but I blame mixing those with herb for me going to boot camp for 2 years (whole other story) But now Im on adderoll, and dont get me wrong it does help but the idea of it making me into something Im not, I dont like.

I've taken Ritalin, Concerta and Adderall, but have always used them as part of a program of Change. There were certain aspects of my personality that I didn't like that the drugs seem to take away, but i am constantly working on finding ways to change the way my body and and re-acts to stimuli that I know sets off those negative characteristics. Hope that made sense.

Sly · 11-23-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
I agree, on both counts.

I "gave up" sugar a couple months back and I can see differences in how I feel and respond to certain things. Imagine what that does to a 7 year old. All these kids eating cereal packed with sugar, drinking several sodas daily, eating candy left and right.

There have been studies where schools took more sugars out of the food and it resulted in better behaved kids. Of course we can't blame everything on the schools at all, parents need to step up and realize this. But most importantly, they need to learn that telling kids "no" is perfectly fine and a good practice to get into.

Rich · 11-23-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisManson
I am 36. I have NEVER watched much TV. Always found it incredibly boring. same with most movies.

I have to admit that I agree with what you are saying though.

We live in an environment that constanttly bombarbs us with HUGE amounts of stimuli. TV, Video Games, going to the Mall, driving in our cars ( that are now coming equipped with dvd and flat screens.)

I was at the
Digital Hollywood conference a couple of months ago in Santa Monica. Lots of seminars by all of the Corp. VP's from Intel, IBM, Texas Instruments etc...

They were all talking about how content, be it MP3's Video files, etc... are going to become much more "portable" in the near future. It will be interesting to see as we become an even more "wired" society how it will affect our childrens mental, physiological and spiritual well being.

Very true, I also think it affects adults a great deal. That's why we live in such a great, problem free society (comparatively) and something like 50% of adults have used drugs for depression.

I read a study the other day that showed as Asian counties westernize, the depression rate shoots up, even though the standard of living increases.

ElvisManson · 11-23-2004, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Very true, I also think it affects adults a great deal. That's why we live in such a great, problem free society (comparatively) and something like 50% of adults have used drugs for depression.

I read a study the other day that showed as Asian counties westernize, the depression rate shoots up, even though the standard of living increases.

I find it very ironic that I make a very good living on the internet, am vastly more wired or actually wireless these days, and yet in my off time try and get as far away as possible from most external stimulus.

As to the depression rates here and in Asia. Look at what Western Society considers the aesthetic, and intelectual norm.If you strived to be that ideal, and were doomed to failure by genetics or environmental reasons etc... it would depress you too....lol

When we shape our values: Moral, Philosophical, Spiritual and Physiological, on what we see on TV, and in advertising we are doomed.

11-23-2004, 12:16 PM	#1
KingAsher Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 685	Is Attention Deficit Disorder A "Real" Disorder or......... Or is it just an excuse not to pay attention to anything. Ive been taking these pills for ADD since something like 4th grade, now Im thinking maybe its all just a scheme to get people to pay for medicine that they are told they NEED by "professionals" in order to be "normal" And i'll be honest they do manke me capable of Now that I dont know if I want to take them anymore, its gonna be a serious bitch to get myself off these pills that they say are not addictive, I dont know it all just seems mad shady to me. Whats your opinion? __________________ Asher Hardt Matrix Content Inc. www.matrixcontent.com ICQ: 160132354 AIM: Ashermatrix E-mail: [email protected]

11-23-2004, 12:17 PM	#2
Meta Ridley Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The land of ruleface and kickass Posts: 3,433	YES its real. Sometimes its just misdiagnosed. End of thread __________________ [email protected]

11-23-2004, 12:22 PM	#5
Meta Ridley Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The land of ruleface and kickass Posts: 3,433	I don't know why its so hard for people to understand that your brain can have actual problems. It's like any other part of your body, actually its much more complicated so naturally more things can go wrong. And since your brain dictates your mood, concentration ,etc , if something goes wrong with it, its ok to assume some is going to go wrong with those aspects of your like. It doesnt take a genius to figure it out. Ask yourself this, are people's heart problem 'real' or are they making it up? Same thing applies to the brain. __________________ [email protected]

11-23-2004, 12:30 PM	#8
Wiggles Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 14,423	i heard a more healthy diet will prevent ADD, my nephew had ADD and my sister put him on a really healthy diet and he was fine after. __________________ no sig

11-23-2004, 01:10 PM	#14
Napolean Old school Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kettering, OH Posts: 4,327	definately real, im pretty sure i have it try to concentrate on somethin but my thoughts are always racing too fast to keep up. either that or im just manic 24/7 __________________ Need a programmer? (Desktop/Web Applications) --- Skype: napoleande

11-23-2004, 12:19 PM	#3
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	i personally think they are bad, i mean you are taking something to change your moods, that cant be good, after taking it for years and years who knows how it has changed who you are, some kids actually need it because they are little crackhead babies, these days doctors are giving it out more and more, easier also. anyone can walk in and pretend to have ADD, im sure if u got off them now after taking them for that many years u would be FUCKED UP.

11-23-2004, 12:22 PM	#4
swedguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,981	It's definitely a "real" disorder. I met someone at a party that had ADD. It took me less than a minute to notice that something was wrong with him, I suspected it was ADD. Later on he said he had ADD and helped other people that had it. But I think there's a lot of hyper active kids that get diagnosed wrong.

11-23-2004, 12:28 PM	#6
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Yeah, it's about as real as the chance of having a black disabled woman president of the United States....

11-23-2004, 12:29 PM	#7
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Stop taking the pills immediately, it's not an illness, it's a series of symptoms some people don't want you to have. Doesn't it bother you that you've been taking pills for something a doctor can't show you with a blood test? Any kid who doesn't like to pay attention or stand in line gets doped up with mind altering drugs, it makes me sick. Now they'll be good little consumers who listen to what they're told for the rest of their lives.

11-23-2004, 01:13 PM	#15
sweandy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 422	I don't know if i have ADD but from what i've read i have much of all symptoms except the part where you are over energic. I was when i was i kid 4-5years maybe. Couldn't sit still abit but ain't that all kids? I read it takes about 1-2years to get diagnosed here so i dunno if i want to. Be on pills and stuff couse its the only read cure?

11-23-2004, 02:00 PM	#17
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	To the people here who have ADD, or think they may, honestly do you watch much TV, or did you when you were diagnosed? I'm increasingly convinced the reason so many kids have these symptoms is due to an information overload from television and video games. How can you expect your kid to sit still in class for hours on end when he spends all weekend in a hyperactive video game world? Our brains are naturally stimulated by jolts... our brain reacts every time something happens. It's our natural instinct that alerted us as soon as cave bears moved in primitive days. In school you don't get many changes or jolts, you're supposed to stay focused without something grabbing your attention every second. Kids watching MTV and shit are constantly being switched from one focal point to another, dozens of times a minute to keep their attention. Video games are worse. I'd love to see more studies done on how this new kind of information pollution affects the undeveloped mind of a child, but unfortunately most people would rather just look for new drugs to keep the kids calm. Remember, decades ago we didn't care what chemicals were in our food, because everyone was eating the same things and no one questioned it. Now we're doing the same thing with information pollution they present to us and our kids as entertainment. Last edited by Rich; 11-23-2004 at 02:02 PM..

11-23-2004, 02:05 PM	#19
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	I think they like to find a label for everything. While there can be chemical reasons for most people's behaviour I mostly believe that someone with Add is just someone with lots of energy and hasen't found a productive way to use it yet and in cases of people unable to pay attention is just plainly, they are not interested in the subject at hand.