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webmaster x 11-18-2004 09:10 AM

interesting but way too long.

crockett 11-18-2004 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Pretty fucking tragic when the biggest terrorist in the world is more honest than our own president.
very true.. I do not like what they do or how they do it.. But you have to admit at lest he told it like it was and didn't get into the whole my god is better than your god BS..

LauraLee 11-18-2004 10:05 AM

reading that stopped me in my tracks. i don't agree with him, however i feel like i have a better understanding of who he is and how he thinks.
i hate bush...

Thurbs 11-18-2004 10:33 AM

a smart mad man who the united states trained. people dont want to accept how much he knows about our country, i doubt he did all that training with CIA and didnt get some insight into the flaws of our security.

SuckOnThis 11-18-2004 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett
very true.. I do not like what they do or how they do it.. But you have to admit at lest he told it like it was and didn't get into the whole my god is better than your god BS..

I agree. What they did was completely wrong but I do understand why. Before 9/11 I was always amazed that the US was never attacked but I knew it was just a matter of time. All it takes is for one to look beyond our biased media to know certain administrations in this country have abused its power to control other governments, repress certain groups of people, have killed quite a few innocent people, and have stuck its nose where it does not belong. Fuck with a bees nest and eventually you are going to get stung.

We have not seen the end of this, I'm afraid 9/11 was just the beginning. Bush invading Iraq was probably about the worse thing he could have done and once again we will pay for the repurcussions of it, and I feel in a much bigger way than 9/11. Anyone who thinks you can stop it is a fool, there are simply to many ways for someone to pull off an attack.

It really makes me sad to see what has happened to this country. We used to be a country that the world looked up to and what other countries strived to be like. We have lost our way of being a country of peace and goodwill and instead have been led astray by corrupt leaders with less than honorable intentions, and yet we cannot understand why people want to attack us.

LauraLee 11-18-2004 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I agree. What they did was completely wrong but I do understand why. Before 9/11 I was always amazed that the US was never attacked but I knew it was just a matter of time. All it takes is for one to look beyond our biased media to know certain administrations in this country have abused its power to control other governments, repress certain groups of people, have killed quite a few innocent people, and have stuck its nose where it does not belong. Fuck with a bees nest and eventually you are going to get stung.

We have not seen the end of this, I'm afraid 9/11 was just the beginning. Bush invading Iraq was probably about the worse thing he could have done and once again we will pay for the repurcussions of it, and I feel in a much bigger way than 9/11. Anyone who thinks you can stop it is a fool, there are simply to many ways for someone to pull off an attack.

It really makes me sad to see what has happened to this country. We used to be a country that the world looked up to and what other countries strived to be like. We have lost our way of being a country of peace and goodwill and instead have been led astray by corrupt leaders with less than honorable intentions, and yet we cannot understand why people want to attack us.

I could not agree with you more. 100% dead on.

Dcat 11-18-2004 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by CET
We are getting revenge for 9/11. 9/11 was revenge for blowing up innocents in Lebanon and Palestine. We're just exchanging blows. At some point someone with some power has to say, "This is fuckin stupid!" Otherwise, we're doomed to another retaliation, to which we'll retaliate. Violence begets violence. You can't ever reach world peace by blowing shit up.

Money wise, Osama is right, we spend $1,000,000 for every $1 they spend. Yet, we still don't have him. We can't even stop the insurgency in Iraq. Going by historical prescidents, it'll take us about 20 years to quell the insurgency, if we do it with everything we've got the entire time and never let up. Americans in general aren't willing to do that, Vietnam is too fresh in our collective memories.

Finally someone with a half a clue!

Dcat 11-18-2004 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I agree. What they did was completely wrong but I do understand why. Before 9/11 I was always amazed that the US was never attacked but I knew it was just a matter of time. All it takes is for one to look beyond our biased media to know certain administrations in this country have abused its power to control other governments, repress certain groups of people, have killed quite a few innocent people, and have stuck its nose where it does not belong. Fuck with a bees nest and eventually you are going to get stung.

We have not seen the end of this, I'm afraid 9/11 was just the beginning. Bush invading Iraq was probably about the worse thing he could have done and once again we will pay for the repurcussions of it, and I feel in a much bigger way than 9/11. Anyone who thinks you can stop it is a fool, there are simply to many ways for someone to pull off an attack.

It really makes me sad to see what has happened to this country. We used to be a country that the world looked up to and what other countries strived to be like. We have lost our way of being a country of peace and goodwill and instead have been led astray by corrupt leaders with less than honorable intentions, and yet we cannot understand why people want to attack us.

Well said. :thumbsup

gigi 11-18-2004 02:11 PM

Thanks for posting....excellent read....long, but well worth it.

Funky Bastard 11-18-2004 02:20 PM

Ok so we fucked up by even helping Israel their is no solution! He lives by a code of horror and we as americans can only do one thing and that is find this mother fucker and kill him before he kill's us we need to get the fuck out of iraq and get this guy but it still wont solve the problem some other guy will just take his place so what will happen is america will go broke.

well thats what I got out of what I read?

Ironhorse 11-18-2004 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett
very true.. I do not like what they do or how they do it.. But you have to admit at lest he told it like it was and didn't get into the whole my god is better than your god BS..
Actually he did state that god is on their side whereas we don't even have one. He is wrong about that, I have several on my side myself, all quite opposed to his way of thinking :2 cents:

JamesK2 11-18-2004 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard

You shot your entire load on 9/11. The US hasn't begun to strike back yet.

Yet they lost billions of dollars and so many lives.

Gotta love ignorance.

Rich 11-18-2004 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
I dont think anyone thinks that.

"they hate our freedom"
-George W. Bush.

Rich 11-18-2004 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
I read it.
lmfao


Quote:

Originally posted by RocHard
Really? You attacked three buildings, we destroyed two nations. Score: US 2, Osama 0.

This is the perfect example of the lack of mental ability people who blindly support this war hold. IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME, RETARD.

gigi 11-18-2004 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironhorse
Actually he did state that god is on their side whereas we don't even have one. He is wrong about that, I have several on my side myself, all quite opposed to his way of thinking :2 cents:
ROTFL!

Well said! :thumbsup

woodman 11-18-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
lmfao




This is the perfect example of the lack of mental ability people who blindly support this war hold. IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME, RETARD.

Why not take a trip through Iraq waiving a Canadian flag and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.

Rich 11-18-2004 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Pretty fucking tragic when the biggest terrorist in the world is more honest than our own president.
Tragic, and terrifying. It's amazing that more people now hate Bush than hate Osama, and that doesn't really make many Americans think. Throughout the world Bush is thought of as being the world's number 1 terrorist, but on CNN he's doing a great job. Bush has killed way more innocent people than any "terrorist", and the prisoner torture was one of the most shameful events in modern history. It just blows my mind that Americans turn a complete blind eye to the reality of their foreign policy, because that's easier than changing it.

Rich 11-18-2004 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by woodman
Why not take a trip through Iraq waiving a Canadian flag and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.
What are you fucking stupid, why the hell would I do that? You morons started a war there.

Rich 11-18-2004 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
lmfao




This is the perfect example of the lack of mental ability people who blindly support this war hold. IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME, RETARD.

"ability OF people", damn 5 minute edit limit.

directfiesta 11-18-2004 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman
Why not take a trip through Iraq waiving a Canadian flag and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.
After you go waving an Israeli flag ....

tony286 11-18-2004 03:46 PM

Very interesting stuff, makes more sense then they hate us for our freedoms.

emthree 11-18-2004 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich
"they hate our freedom"
:BangBang: -George W. Bush.


emthree 11-18-2004 03:58 PM

Them: :BangBang:
Us: :ak47:

n3in 11-18-2004 03:58 PM

im surprised i read all of that, but im glad i did. very insightful.

sweetME 11-18-2004 04:04 PM

I read every word of it. Unbelievable!

BlueDesignStudios 11-18-2004 04:13 PM

I read it all as well. Definitely insightful.

I'd love to see a debate between Bin Laden & Bush

:Graucho

Ad3pt 11-18-2004 04:56 PM

Those are definately the words of a madman....furthering my position, being that we give those bastards the strongest, bloodiest, resolve they will ever know.

datezonline 11-18-2004 05:52 PM

im happy to see some americans read this with an open mind


just let the arrogent morons be....some things are too hard to comprehend after a lifetime of cnn/fox propoganda

:thumbsup

Joe Citizen 11-18-2004 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ad3pt
Those are definately the words of a madman....furthering my position, being that we give those bastards the strongest, bloodiest, resolve they will ever know.
:1orglaugh

Give it up, retard.

Ad3pt 11-18-2004 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
:1orglaugh

Give it up, retard.

suck it raghead :1orglaugh

Peacemaker 11-18-2004 06:26 PM

hmm. yes.. interesting reading..

but then again, i never thought he was fighting you guys in the US because of your freedom.

Webby 11-18-2004 07:02 PM

Did anyone ever think .. wot's his name.. Osama was not an intelligent man who has witnessed plenty first hand? :-)

Sure, there is no way I can support his 9/11 activity, but no question there are many serious problems underlying those actions and which some nations, even now, remain in a state of denial over.

The US govt know (or I sure as hell hope they know!!) exactly what has happened to cultivate Osama's "terrorism". After all, they were the major beneficaries of much and Osama is well known to them as a friend in the past.

They also may have taken the time to translate his statement - perhaps even understand it.

I remember, a short time after 9/11, speaking with an US intell person. It gave a clue that there was actually some more rational people left in the US :-)

Not that it was likely to happen, but this person really wanted to do an informal "interrogation" of Osama - a casual chat, treat the man with respect, and try and hear what he was really like and understand why he thought it a good idea to blow people up.

Understanding and educating on the way of others is at least a first step to some peaceful times and not a load of simplistic, "us", "them", "crap countries", "bring em on" and "evil people" stuff.

Last point - can anyone ever name one terrorist organization in the history of this world where the resolution ever came from anything other than peaceful negotiation at the end of the day?

History has much to offer to a few people yet :-)

Ad3pt 11-18-2004 07:07 PM

http://www.southo.net/crap/info-smilie.gif

I knew you'd come out from under your rock for this one

:1orglaugh

Chichio 11-18-2004 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I agree. What they did was completely wrong but I do understand why. Before 9/11 I was always amazed that the US was never attacked but I knew it was just a matter of time. All it takes is for one to look beyond our biased media to know certain administrations in this country have abused its power to control other governments, repress certain groups of people, have killed quite a few innocent people, and have stuck its nose where it does not belong. Fuck with a bees nest and eventually you are going to get stung.

We have not seen the end of this, I'm afraid 9/11 was just the beginning. Bush invading Iraq was probably about the worse thing he could have done and once again we will pay for the repurcussions of it, and I feel in a much bigger way than 9/11. Anyone who thinks you can stop it is a fool, there are simply to many ways for someone to pull off an attack.

It really makes me sad to see what has happened to this country. We used to be a country that the world looked up to and what other countries strived to be like. We have lost our way of being a country of peace and goodwill and instead have been led astray by corrupt leaders with less than honorable intentions, and yet we cannot understand why people want to attack us.

You are 100% right and it pains me to know all of that too. But we can't give up. We have to keep fighting them or we will lose. I feel there will be another attack too and it hangs over us like a dark cloud but we can never give up.

I think it's interesting that he implies Bush retains power through rigging elections. I do however think the message gets a little fuzzy when he talks about how Bush listened to the girl talk about a goat. That really doesn't have much to do with anything and it comes off as making fun of him. The message loses a little crediblity there.

There's no doubt that he is not a stupid person, but the whole idea of innocents dying in retaliation of dead innocents isn't an intellectual concept. :2 cents:

tranza 11-18-2004 07:14 PM

Ok, I'm not reading all that.

Can someone tell me what is written in 6 or less words?

smack 11-18-2004 07:25 PM

well written. and oddly enough i agree with alot of what he says.

thanks for posting that.

LadyMischief 11-18-2004 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
I read it all as well. Definitely insightful.

I'd love to see a debate between Bin Laden & Bush

:Graucho

Bush would lose miserably, and all the syncophants would fall in line proclaiming him the winner. :2 cents:

naitirps 11-18-2004 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
You all missed the point and the truth. We have been helping Israel for years with their problems. Jews are only 4% of our population and caused 99% of our problems in that part of the world.

So Americans need to ask ..what has Israel done for YOU?

From this post you sound alot like hitler... A jew hating a jew? Kick it JESUS!

Yngwie 11-18-2004 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HKS
Ok so we fucked up by even helping Israel their is no solution! He lives by a code of horror and we as americans can only do one thing and that is find this mother fucker and kill him before he kill's us we need to get the fuck out of iraq and get this guy but it still wont solve the problem some other guy will just take his place so what will happen is america will go broke.

well thats what I got out of what I read?

Do you actually believe that killing Osama will stop anything? If you truly believe that then good luck. Funny how people think taht by killing this one man things will settle down. IF you really pay attention you would see that the US gov is no better then the so called terrorists. They are bother doing the SAME shit.. Back and forth.. Back and forth.. In the end all you have is violence and hate.

Sure, you're free to believe that by killing Osama this shit will end just as much as kids are free to believe in Santa.. But, in bot cases it's bullshit.

Rich 11-18-2004 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza
Ok, I'm not reading all that.

Can someone tell me what is written in 6 or less words?

http://www.cnn.com/

They will.


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