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woj · 11-15-2004, 03:42 PM

50 plans..

CET · 11-15-2004, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by theking
That of course is exactly what would not be going on. A purging would apply only to those that...based upon their individual political sway...attempted to subvert Administration Policy. If you think that they are going to fire all of those of another polictical party...you are just foolish.

You contradicted yourself. First you admitted that they're being fired over political sway. Then you denied people are being fired over what political party they belong to.

CET · 11-15-2004, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by theking
There is a wall. CIA emloyees are protected by Civil Service employee regs...within the confines of the various oaths/contracts they signed...upon employment by the Agency. They cannot be fired...willy nilly.

You already admitted that they're being fired "willy nilly".

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Originally posted by theking
A purging would apply only to those that...based upon their individual political sway

Rich · 11-15-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by theking
There is a wall. CIA emloyees are protected by Civil Service employee regs...within the confines of the various oaths/contracts they signed...upon employment by the Agency. They cannot be fired...willy nilly.

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The White House has ordered the new CIA director, Porter Goss, to purge the agency of officers believed to have been disloyal to President George W. Bush or of leaking damaging information to the media about the conduct of the Iraq war and the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to knowledgeable sources.

"The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House," said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to both the agency and to the White House. "Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda.

So you're sticking with the "Associated Press is a commie rag" line.

Good choice, denying is the best way to avoid looking completely stupid. You still look stupid, but not quite AS stupid. Apologizing is much worse, RocHard for example, look how stupid his comments are. "We lost, get over it", lol. Yes winning an election entitles the President to get ride of anyone in the intelligence community who doesn't agree with his ideology. Just every day stuff... If you're living in communist Russia.

theking · 11-15-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by CoolE
You didn't read the article.

Of course I read the article...and if there are agents of the CIA that have been attempting to subvert Administration Policy (no matter what their polictical party may be) they should be fired. They are not policy makers...the Administration is the policy maker...and they are required by law...no matter what their personal position and/or polictical persuasion...not to attempt to subvert Administration Policy...and in certain circumstances can be criminally prosecuted for said action.

Axeman · 11-15-2004, 03:49 PM

Yep every single person known to disagree with the war and the intellegence Bush was saying was accurate is being tossed on his ass for being RIGHT!

Directors in the agency for decades gone.

If your not willing to lie to benifit Bush's plan for world dominancy, then your not welcome to work for our intellegence agency. Truth and facts are frowned upon by the good ol U S of A

theking · 11-15-2004, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by CET
You contradicted yourself. First you admitted that they're being fired over political sway. Then you denied people are being fired over what political party they belong to.

Wrong.

theking · 11-15-2004, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by CET
You already admitted that they're being fired "willy nilly".

Wrong.

the indigo · 11-15-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by sacX
If there's no wall between the administration and the intelligence agency, then it's not an intelligence agency, it's a propaganda department.

You know what, I'm getting tired of trying to tell that shit to dumb americans. It's always the same waste of time.

It's like telling them hey 1+1 = 2 and they always believe it's still 3. Fuck that.

Axeman · 11-15-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Stop your bitching. We lost, and Bush remains in office. Get over it.

The CIA works directly for the White House - and must support it's leader at all times. I don't always agree with my boss, but at the end of the day I do what I'm told - and I don't go behind his back leaking info. If I did that I would expect to fired too. Employees of the CIA do not dictate policy and have no right to attempt to sway public opinion.

Rochard that is a moronic statement. Your disagreeing on how to distribute porn is quite different from not agreeing with your boss on what you know is false bullshit lies thats going to end up fucking up your entire country and countless thousands of ours and other countries lives all over money.

When your the CIA, and you got a governement using their intellegince as gospel as to what we do to protect our country and citizens, your damn fucking rights I expect people who disagree with the bullshit being created to speak up.

Our desire to let our president do what he wants unquestioned is turning us into the biggest dictatorship of them all.

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:02 PM

To simplify the issue...CIA agents are basically in the same position that Military Officers are in...they cannot subvert the policies of their Commander In Chief or they will be fired...the most famous firing being General MacArthur by then President Truman.

The CIA works for the Administration and no matter their personal feelings or political persuasion they cannot subvert the policies of the President...without consequences.

Peacemaker · 11-15-2004, 04:06 PM

your new gestapo?

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
So you're sticking with the "Associated Press is a commie rag" line.

Good choice, denying is the best way to avoid looking completely stupid. You still look stupid, but not quite AS stupid. Apologizing is much worse, RocHard for example, look how stupid his comments are. "We lost, get over it", lol. Yes winning an election entitles the President to get ride of anyone in the intelligence community who doesn't agree with his ideology. Just every day stuff... If you're living in communist Russia.

In the first place it is a quote by an unkown source (may or may not be the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth). In the second place anyone that was attempting to subvert the Administrations policies...should be fired...as that is not their job.

CoolE · 11-15-2004, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Of course I read the article...and if there are agents of the CIA that have been attempting to subvert Administration Policy (no matter what their polictical party may be) they should be fired. They are not policy makers...the Administration is the policy maker...and they are required by law...no matter what their personal position and/or polictical persuasion...not to attempt to subvert Administration Policy...and in certain circumstances can be criminally prosecuted for said action.

Obviously you completely misread it. I quote it again...

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"Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda."

It's not saying that the White House is getting rid of people who are both obstructing the president's agenda and liberal Democrats. It says that the White House has ordered the purging of people who are obstructing the president's agenda AND of people who are liberal Democrats.

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Of course I read the article...and if there are agents of the CIA that have been attempting to subvert Administration Policy (no matter what their polictical party may be) they should be fired. They are not policy makers...the Administration is the policy maker...and they are required by law...no matter what their personal position and/or polictical persuasion...not to attempt to subvert Administration Policy...and in certain circumstances can be criminally prosecuted for said action.

That's not why they're being fired. If subversion and neglegence of duty were a problem, they would already be fired and there would be no need for a "purge".

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Wrong.

Nice rationalization.

Rich · 11-15-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by CET
That's not why they're being fired. If subversion and neglegence of duty were a problem, they would already be fired and there would be no need for a "purge".

He's not going to get it.

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by theking
To simplify the issue...CIA agents are basically in the same position that Military Officers are in...they cannot subvert the policies of their Commander In Chief or they will be fired...the most famous firing being General MacArthur by then President Truman.

The CIA works for the Administration and no matter their personal feelings or political persuasion they cannot subvert the policies of the President...without consequences.

1. It is a courts martial offense to obey an illegal order.

2. It is not the intelligence community's job to support policy, but to give the best intelligence possible. If that intelligence goes against policy, then by firing intelligence agents Bush is shooting the messanger.

Rich · 11-15-2004, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by CET
1. It is a courts martial offense to obey an illegal order.

2. It is not the intelligence community's job to support policy, but to give the best intelligence possible. If that intelligence goes against policy, then by firing intelligence agents Bush is shooting the messanger.

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Originally posted by Rich
He's not going to get it.

Webby · 11-15-2004, 04:15 PM

theKing:

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There is a wall. CIA emloyees are protected by Civil Service employee regs...within the confines of the various oaths/contracts they signed...upon employment by the Agency. They cannot be fired...willy nilly.

Someone can't be fired willy nilly?? :-) Want a bet on that??

It happens every day the world over - for all kinds of reasons. The CIA is not some organisation that is immune to real life.

On the thread in general... sure, there is a continuance of an idiots agenda and underlying removals of as much of a real democracy as is left.

The CIA have had problems and these were high profile, however that is not an excuse by a load of political trash to politicise this - it's the damned intelligence services we are talking about, - not some sniping at an opponent during election time.

It's clearer by the day this Admin are totally alien to anything of this world and the degree of ineptitude surpasses almost any other country.

Tho these people were elected - so what's the problem in the US? You get what you vote for - another four years of lunacy and financial ruin.

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by CET
Nice rationalization.

Not rationalization...you...to put it simply...lied about what I posted.

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Not rationalization...you...to put it simply...lied about what I posted.

BULLSHIT! That's bullshit and you know it. I quoted you and described how you contradicted yourself, and that's it.

Watch the accusations, you are perilously close to slander.

Webby · 11-15-2004, 04:26 PM

Folks actually concerned about GFY's military advisor??

All ya will get outta King is a playing on words, some mind games and semantics.

It's not worth the effort - King would make an attempt at defending the devil if he was in the Whitehouse. (That may be another point of discussion tho)

There is an illness when it comes to "defending" any country to this degree...

No country on this planet qualifies for that level of defense by it's citizens.

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Movie was done on it: great documentary that happened just like that ... BTW, I did see it ... so I can comment, ....

The Revolution Will Not be Televised

In 2001, Kim Bartley and Donnacha O?Briain traveled to Venezuela to videotape a behind-the-scenes profile of President Hugo Chavez, the democratically elected leftist president who had been swept into office by a groundswell of support from the poor sections of Venezuela?s cities and countryside. While filming in April of 2002, they found themselves in the midst of a coup attempt against Chavez, and their cameras were there to capture those incredible moments of April 2002. They compiled this footage to create the documentary ?The Revolution will not be Televised.? Bartley and O?Briain were interviewed by Brian Forrest in October of 2003.

BF: At what point did you realize you were no longer making a portrait of Chavez but rather documenting a coup?
KB & DOB: The nature of the documentary changed quite dramatically, what set out to be a profile of Chavez and a look at what was going on in Venezuela turned into the story of a coup from the inside. Clearly on the night of the coup we realized that we were witnessing something quite extraordinary but we were reluctant to make any drastic decisions about the documentary. The decisions that were made were largely made in the edit and it was a slow and difficult process since we'd spent months prior to the coup filming with something quite specific in mind and we were reluctant to let that all go. In the end we tried, within the time constraints, to present as best we could the situation in Venezuela as we'd experienced it before moving the story along into the events surrounding the coup.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/08/296442.html

Torrent file available

I've got the bit torrent, but I can't get a connection. Anyone else have that problem?

Rich · 11-15-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Webby

All ya will get outta King is a playing on words, some mind games and semantics.

bingo

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by CET
1. It is a courts martial offense to obey an illegal order.

2. It is not the intelligence community's job to support policy, but to give the best intelligence possible. If that intelligence goes against policy, then by firing intelligence agents Bush is shooting the messanger.

What does number one have to do with the issue at hand?

As to your number two statements...it is the intelligence community's job to support Administration Policy...in the sense that they do not do anything to subvert Administration policy. It is also their job to provide the best intelligence possible...and seldom is there 100% agreement among the analylists of our 15 intel agencies...thus consensus comes into play. If an agent were not among the consensus and took it upon himself to attempt to subvert Administration Policy then he should be "purged". I repeat...if you think that all of the "liberal Democrats" are going to be purged from the CIA...you are foolish.

Rich · 11-15-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by CET
I've got the bit torrent, but I can't get a connection. Anyone else have that problem?

yes

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by CET
BULLSHIT! That's bullshit and you know it. I quoted you and described how you contradicted yourself, and that's it.

Watch the accusations, you are perilously close to slander.

You used a partial statement...thus you lied...period.

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by theking
What does number one have to do with the issue at hand?

Number one describes how one is not supposed to blindly follow orders.

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Originally posted by theking
As to your number two statements...it is the intelligence community's job to support Administration Policy...in the sense that they do not do anything to subvert Administration policy. It is also their job to provide the best intelligence possible...and seldom is there 100% agreement among the analylists of our 15 intel agencies...thus consensus comes into play. If an agent were not among the consensus and took it upon himself to attempt to subvert Administration Policy then he should be "purged".

It is NOT intel's job to support the president, it is their job to serve the people by providing the president with the best intelligence possible.

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Originally posted by theking
I repeat...if you think that all of the "liberal Democrats" are going to be purged from the CIA...you are foolish.

It's not like that's what was reported.

CET · 11-15-2004, 04:41 PM

theking
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Consider this conversation and all future ones over, you twisted lying irrational fuck.

Edit: There is a difference between taking someone out of context and highlighting the specific relevant bits. If you can't tell the difference, then you're simply not worth talking to anymore. I should have done this when you kept making endless copy/paste posts onto the evolution thread that were 3-6 pages long.

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by CET
theking
11-15-2004 05:33 PM This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here]

Consider this conversation and all future ones over, you twisted lying irrational fuck.

"A purging would apply only to those that...based upon their individual political sway...attempted to subvert Administration Policy."

Here is what you posted...

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Originally posted by theking
A purging would apply only to those that...based upon their individual political sway
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In addition not where did I admit to this...(Your statement)

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Originally posted by CET
You already admitted that they're being fired "willy nilly".

So it is you that is the liar...attempting to "twist" my posts...for whatever your "irrational" reasons. Now

kid.

directfiesta · 11-15-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by theking
You used a partial statement...thus you lied...period.

Bush did the same , so HE LIED

Really, you are the most boring read on the net ... Go back to your anus, I meant Conus ...

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by CET
It's not like that's what was reported.

"Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats."

It appears it is exactly "like that's what was reported".

theking · 11-15-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Bush did the same , so HE LIED

Really, you are the most boring read on the net ... Go back to your anus, I meant Conus ...

You...Richy boy...Webby and others like you...have the same credibilty level...near zero. You both are no more than America bashing trolls...that spend your time seeking out anything negative to be said about America...and will use any source to do so.

tiger · 11-15-2004, 05:24 PM

Did you see 60minutes the other night? I wonder if this has to do with the book they wrote about how the fucked the hunt for Bin Laden numerous times before Sept. 11

directfiesta · 11-15-2004, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Y.that spend your time seeking out anything negative to be said about America...and will use any source to do so.

Doesn't take much time ... there is SO MANY ... fuckup things about the USA...

Nothing prevents you from finding positive things... but in this day and age, YOU will have to search quite a bit...

pornguy · 11-15-2004, 05:31 PM

Great. to have a job in the US you must swear to GWB and be a Republican.

Just fucking great.

CET · 11-15-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by pornguy
Great. to have a job in the US you must swear to GWB and be a Republican.

Just fucking great.

I don't know why I'm laughing, because that fuckin sucks really bad. It's just that there's something funny about that and I'm not quite sure what it is.

CET · 11-15-2004, 06:38 PM

theking
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Did someone hear a troll say something?

trouserrat · 11-15-2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by CET

Did someone hear a troll say something?

No, Rich stopped posting awhile ago.

theking · 11-15-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by CET
theking
11-15-2004 05:56 PM This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here]

Did someone hear a troll say something?

Liar.

theking · 11-15-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Liar.

You trolled and got a response...in fact three responses...liar.

Lykos · 11-15-2004, 08:34 PM

Bush is an idiot

Argoz · 11-15-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Lykos
Bush is an idiot

An idiot with a lot of power....very dangerous

untitled · 11-15-2004, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by project_naughty
A voice of sanity in a thread full of barking m00nbats.

sanity?? i guess if you work at mcdonalds, better listen to your boss!!

Dead13 · 11-16-2004, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by Rich
lmfao, you know you're in big trouble when you're calling Pathfinder sane.

Pathfinder? Who is Pathfinder? I thought Pathfinder was dead, but damn if he is not here posting in this thread.

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