Rich

Another completely legitimate move by the fearless leader. Move along folks, nothing to worry about here.

CIA plans to purge its agency. Sources say White House has ordered new chief to eliminate officers who were disloyal to Bush

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...-top-headlines

I guess this is the start of the "political capital" Bush won by gaining 51% of the vote in a massively flawed election.

This is going to be hilarious. I can't wait to see what they sell you guys before invading Venezuela to remove Chavez, and how easy they tell you it will be. This is going to be even better than the time they had you believing Saddam Hussein was minutes away from nuking New York.

Doctor Dre

This is the end of democracy

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SuckOnThis

For a while. Things will turn around once we hit rock bottom.

Argoz

what a great world.....

We defeat Hitler for a free world and now....

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When we hit rock bottom, they'll be nothing but rocks left.

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Rich

Yep, the same family who financed him is taking a stranglehold on America.

Let's just watch more TV and hope things work themselves out.

SuckOnThis

I fear you're right and pray you're not.

Rich

I can't wait to hear what the morons are going to say about this. "There shouldn't be any people who disagree with the President in the intelligence community", and "The Associated Press is a commie rag, it's all lies" are about all I can think of. Hope I saved a couple of you some time.

Rich

So do I.

People have to wake up before we hit rock bottom.

directfiesta

Offending the Global Dictator

Predictably, Venezuela's remarkable social transformation under Chavez has made him a target for "regime change" in Washington. As the enforcer of neoliberalism and elite control, the United States has overthrown many governments in Latin America and around the world for attempting to redistribute wealth. Through coups, invasions, assassinations, covert wars and economic coercion (in short, state terrorism), the USA has perpetrated the genocide of about half a million Latin Americans since 1950.

Particularly galling to the oil-driven Bush Administration has been Chavez's petroleum strategy, as well as his foreign policy. Venezuela is the second largest supplier of oil to the USA and a founding member of OPEC. Chavez has revitalized the oil cartel, sought closer relations with other oil producers such as Iran and Libya (considered enemies by the USA) and slashed Venezuelan oil output, causing prices to nearly double to more than $20 a barrel. He has also doubled the royalties charged foreign oil companies in Venezuela, including ExxonMobil, the biggest USA company. To finance his social spending, Chavez has moved to take control of the revenues of Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the national oil company, which had been run for the exclusive benefit of its management and employees. The Venezuelan government depends on oil income for half of its budget, but only 20 percent of PDVSA's income went to the state, 80 percent being taken for "operating costs," another term for managerial corruption.




So, are you going to go liberate the poor Venezuelians ....

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Well thats certainly what most Americians will be doing

These are worrying times

Tala

Jesus Christ.

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Rochard

Stop your bitching. We lost, and Bush remains in office. Get over it.

The CIA works directly for the White House - and must support it's leader at all times. I don't always agree with my boss, but at the end of the day I do what I'm told - and I don't go behind his back leaking info. If I did that I would expect to fired too. Employees of the CIA do not dictate policy and have no right to attempt to sway public opinion.

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xenophobic

It's a shame the hunting of these leaks are not motivated by the intelligence leaks that have damaged the hunt for Bin Laden, for example the person whom leaked information that the agency was intercepting calls made from/to Bin Ladens satellite phone -- which he stopped using once that was public. Also the leak that exposed a CIA agents identity?

CoolE

If it's true, if Bush is politicizing the front line of defense against terrorism, then that is sick. Man, did you guys elect the wrong fucking guy.

Rich

That's completely wrong, the intelligence community is not supposed to be partisan, ever. This has nothing to do with Bush winning the election. People are supposed to be able to produce information that says, ahem, Mr. President, it's entirely possible that Iraq does not have WMD. They're supposed to be around for decades protecting America, not getting switched around every time there's a White House change. You want a new CIA director every 4 years, and a completely new staff? "Sorry guys, I know you're close to catching Bin Laden, but the dems won this year, and you're all fired". Not everything works like Crossfire on CNN. This unprecedented action is the worst thing that could possibly happen in the fight against terrorists.

If information wasn't made public, 80% not 50% of Americans would still think Iraq had WMD.

Rich

That would involve actually protecting America, not helping the Bush administration personally. Do you really think that's going to happen?

GatorB

Well wasn't the whole probalem with WMDs was the fact Bush only wanted to hear facts that he agreed with? And thus the CIA complied? This move of course will help that situation.

A "leader" that always thinks he's right and refuses to hear the opinions of those that disagree with him is an IDIOT. PERIOD.

Let name some of these guys

Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Saddam. How's those empires doing now?

directfiesta

What do you mean ???? Sure they have WMD, or had , or were capable of, or tought of or had a wet dream of ...

Here in South Dakota, we are patriots: we never question our President commander in chief and his " capital " ...

You are a terrorist !!! Why do you hate America so much ????

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I know it wasn't reported much in the US after it went bad, but in April 2002 the CIA organized a coup against democratically elected Hugo Chavez. As that article says, he nationalized the oil industry, and he also spoke out against Bush's "war on terror". He said they were "fighting terror with terror". Pedro Carmona was brought to the White House in February 2002, and Washington amazingly gave it's official support to the coup after one day. A democratically elected official overthrown by a military coup, and Bush supported it. The coup lasted two days, the US didn't anticipate the popularity of Chavez, and an uprising brought him back to power. He's now threatening to cut of oil to the US, and he's promising a 100 year war if the US invades.

They didn't make the same mistake in Haiti, when they decided democratically elected and hugely popular Jean Baptist Arastide, American actually had the nuts to send troops to help the coup and call it peacekeeping, Canada and France help them. They made sure to escort him to the other side of the world so the people couldn't put him back into power like they did with Chavez.

The funniest thing is, the Americans who tell people from other countries that US politics is none of their business. They don't understand how comedically ironic they're being. Of course not one of them even has any idea who Huge Chavez is.

Melody

Bullshit...that's an ethnic stereotype. Are most Irishmen welfare cases that live in pubs?

Half of the Americans despise this man and want to see him driven from office...not that we have any chance of doing that so long as the Bush Regime is in power.

Oh, and meanwhile, Bush is honoring "WWII German POWs"...aka "Nazis".
As much sympathy as I feel for the German people, I definitely don't like the idea of the Shrub honoring Nazi soldiers...it is far too symbolic.

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Rich

Well Castro is doing pretty fucking good, all things considering. I don't think he falls in that category though. The rest of your post is bang on.

Bush and his neo-cons are ideologues, pure and simple. There's no reason for them to learn anything new, because they already know everything. They just want people to tell them what they want to hear, so they can justify what they already know they're going to do. A good leader makes decisions, ideologues do not make good leaders. Ever.

CET

Loyalty to leadership is asking for sheep. An intelligence agency should concern itself with uncovering truth, not loyalties. They should not support their leader if their leader is corrupt and immoral (hyphthetically speaking).

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theking

Wrong...as is SOP for you Richy boy. The CIA works for the administration in power and are required not to subvert administration policy from within or leak information... in an attempt to influence public opinion...to subvert administration policy from without. For the latter agents can not only be fired...they can also be criminally prosecuted.

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No, half the people who voted want to see him gone. Something like 40% didn't vote. People who don't care are as bad or worse than people who care but are just led horribly astray.

CET

Castro has dissenters shot. I think he does fall into the category of "ruthless dictators".

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Technicalities.

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directfiesta

Movie was done on it: great documentary that happened just like that ... BTW, I did see it ... so I can comment, ....

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The CIA works under the president, but they work for the American people and that is where their loyalties are supposed to be.

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Rich

That's greatly exaggerated, are you inside the USA? Almost all the information you've been given about Cuba for the past 50 years has been propaganda. I don't know if anyone's told you that yet. He executed people for attempting to plot coups during the cold war, what dictator hasn't? Give the guy a break, he's had the USA trying to remove him almost the entire time.

theking

They can be as loyal to the American people as they choose to be (provided they are willing to pay the consequenes)...but by law they cannot attempt to subvert Administration Policy from within and are subject to being dismissed from the CIA if they do so. If they leak information to the public in an attempt to subvert Administration Policy from without...they are not only subject to dismissal...but also criminal prosecution. In addition...even if they have been dismissed...they are still subject to criminal prosecution...if they leak information.

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Rich

Holy shit I've never seent that, thanks a ton bro. That's crazy, I can't wait to watch it.

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CET

Then why are people risking their lives to leave the country in little boats and rafts?

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Rich

Because they're starving to death. Never been to Cuba huh?

directfiesta

That's more like Haiti

People for all over the third world wants to better their situation. They go were they can go and/or are accepted.

USA has displayed open arms to Cuba's " freedom fighters " ....

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Never been, but I'd like to go to see what it's like. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to go because I'm an American citizen.

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project_naughty

A voice of sanity in a thread full of barking m00nbats.

Rich

Lots of Americans fly there from Canada, they don't stamp your passport. Just pay for everything in cash.

project_naughty

Another sane person.

Rich

lmfao, you know you're in big trouble when you're calling Pathfinder sane.

CET

I don't disagree that those who abuse their position and break the rules need to be fired, but that's not what's going on. What's going on is a round of firings based on political sway, not job performance.

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sacX

If there's no wall between the administration and the intelligence agency, then it's not an intelligence agency, it's a propaganda department.

theking

That of course is exactly what would not be going on. A purging would apply only to those that...based upon their individual political sway...attempted to subvert Administration Policy. If you think that they are going to fire all of those of another polictical party...you are just foolish.

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You truly are a sheep. That's scary.

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Rich

Exactly. They already have enough of those.

CoolE

You didn't read the article.

Rich

Don't waste your time.

theking

There is a wall. CIA emloyees are protected by Civil Service employee regs...within the confines of the various oaths/contracts they signed...upon employment by the Agency. They cannot be fired...willy nilly.

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