WIRED 2257 article... - GoFuckYourself.com

titmowse · 11-12-2004, 06:54 PM

is this true?

"The scariest part is that so much of this is happening in secret. The Justice Department refuses to make its obscenity guidelines available to the industry or the public, and "during the entirety of the hearings on (18 USC 2257) and the development of the regulations that implement the statute (which requires producers to maintain meticulous records of performers' ages), there was never any discussion with any industry representatives," Douglas says. Yet any violation of the statute is a federal felony."

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whatever the new regulations, they won't tell us anyway? how is that possible?

titmowse · 11-12-2004, 06:59 PM

bump dammit

WarChild · 11-12-2004, 07:01 PM

Well if shit goes bad for you guys, I have a spare room in Canada for one of you.

tootie · 11-12-2004, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
Well if shit goes bad for you guys, I have a spare room in Canada for one of you.

Me, me me!

WarChild · 11-12-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
Me, me me!

Of course .. Only in the case of you, your husband and your children .. Wouldn't I need room for 7 of you?

tootie · 11-12-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
Of course .. Only in the case of you, your husband and your children .. Wouldn't I need room for 7 of you?

Hehe, or you could just offer us a job so we could qualify to come in and get our own place. ;)

WarChild · 11-12-2004, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
Hehe, or you could just offer us a job so we could qualify to come in and get our own place. ;)

Deal. So I still have room for one.

Mind you, very soon I might well be in Costa with room for about 80, or so.

titmowse · 11-12-2004, 07:06 PM

Scootermuze · 11-12-2004, 08:34 PM

If they aren't disclosing what the law is then they can't prosecute...

All enforceable laws must be written and accessable statutes.

There can be no fall-back by the courts with, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" if the statute in question is inaccessible to the letter..

Rumors of a law does not make anything law..

Could you imagine the cluster-fuck that would exist if the courts accepted "hidden" laws in the prosecutorial process??

Gynecologist · 11-12-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Scootermuze
If they aren't disclosing what the law is then they can't prosecute...

All enforceable laws must be written and accessable statutes.

There can be no fall-back by the courts with, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" if the statute in question is inaccessible to the letter..

Rumors of a law does not make anything law..

Could you imagine the cluster-fuck that would exist if the courts accepted "hidden" laws in the prosecutorial process??

I thought "obscenity" meant whatever a grand jury thought was obscene.

Scootermuze · 11-12-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
I thought "obscenity" meant whatever a grand jury thought was obscene.

That's already on the books and has always been a crazy battle as it goes to the, "community standards" in most cases..

In such cases, those who choose to push the envelope face the possibilities of a knock on the door...

A reading of past cases pretty well spells out what, "obscene" is..

NinjaSteve · 11-12-2004, 08:48 PM

Insane shit!

johnny1 · 11-12-2004, 10:35 PM

anyone know of hosting canadian based? or europe?

pornguy · 11-12-2004, 10:38 PM

spare room here in Mexico as well...
That is if they don't catch me. I am an USA corporation... But that is why I bought this vacation house in Mexico.. Just in case the shit hits the fan.

Paul Markham · 11-12-2004, 11:24 PM

Interesting article but very biased. in my opinion.

Firstly Bush and this current administration are going to be anti porn, as they will be anti abortion and gays. But to bring to task a few of the articles statements.

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"during the entirety of the hearings on (18 USC 2257) and the development of the regulations that implement the statute (which requires producers to maintain meticulous records of performers' ages), there was never any discussion with any industry representatives,"

This to me shows the stupidity of the regulators. Some attorney is going to drive a bus through this law by stating quite simply it's not workable. Be more worried if they had got someone from the industry to make the law workable and enforceable.

However it will cost some company a lot of money to over turn it and as usual the rest of the industry will sit on the side lines and let them pay on their own.

The original 2257 law was draen up by non industry people, it called for one ID and accepted a lot of easy to get IDs. The industry I worked in started insisting on two IDs, one to be goverment issued, with a picture, DOB and signature.

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And if consumers are also a target, where does that leave us if we feel like distributing homemade digital videos on peer-to-peer networks for others to enjoy? Can we be indicted for not complying with 18 USC 2257?

Yes you can and so you should. Who knows what the production circumstances of the porn being distributed. Under age, private, forced, stolen, etc.

Freedom is often an excuse used for anarchy, if we want to guard our freedoms we have to work within the framework of what is acceptable, even if it is on the edge.

And what is acceptable in Denmark should never be forced on those living in Missippi.

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