ahahahaha, 4 more bitter years, eh fetch?:1orglaugh

got a link about this "closed every hour" story?

also, they were only recounting in places likely to gain liberal votes. if you're going to have a state recount, you recount the state, not just the counties the liberals hope will yield them votes.

"the 2000 election was NOT jacked. when you base your argument on a lie, no one listens."

We can go back and forth on this, but it wouldn't matter. At the end of the day people will just need to decide who's more credible: the BBC and numerous other investigative journalists who produced evidence of a jack, or 12clicks and Rush Limbaugh who produced rhetoric that argued it was all on the level.

12 clicks does not vote republican.

he has stated this before, he just likes to get people wound up.

he voted for kerry.

I would imagine you would recount questionable areas first, before going for a full state recount. You think if those recounts had reversed Florida that the Republicans wouldn't have asked for a recount as well?

Which I would have gladly agreed to as long as all the little holes that were punched but still had the circle hanging on by a hair were left in as well, for either candidate.

And why should a recount favor one party or another? Shouldn't the count be damn near the exact same the second time around too?

dear liberal, I think the supreme court and the constitution are credible. you keep deciding which foriegn journalist or talk show host you want to believe.:1orglaugh

"12 clicks does not vote republican.

he has stated this before, he just likes to get people wound up.

he voted for kerry."

LOL

I'm well aware of 12click's history. I don't post here often, but he's no stranger to me. But I think you might want to ask yourself if you truly believe that 12clicks voted for John Kerry. Not that it matters.

so then there's no link to your "closed by the hour" story?
I kinda remember the vote not changing enough either way to matter.
I also remember a newspaper doing a recount of all votes (I'm sure to fuck with the president) and Bush won.

12clicks is easy.

he will side with someone ONLY to make a point

above he defends Supreme Court, but not when it applies to gay marriage, youll see a method in the pattern.

he will bash the Court oneday and then defend their decision the next.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/04/gay.marriage/

its called flip flopping . ;)

What do you have against sewer rats?

Fuck MM, of course he says it was hacked, he wants to be able to take credit for molding the minds of America with one of his POS propaganda films, and now he can't

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

At first I was shocked - this is right up there with "Luke - I AM your father!"

But I read 12clicks response below that post... so I don't have to change out the face on my dartboard? :winkwink:

fetch is clueless, like all of my detractors.

Only people that don't pay attention keep insisting the US is a democracy. It is a Republic. How many times that that have to be said?

Bush is clueless on this subject, apparently.

this is a far more relevant news story:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/flo...ries/main.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

Califoprnia is voting against using diebold machines

http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5197870.html

i posted this elesewhere BTW ;)

Re: that CNN article. Bush said:

"Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman," Bush said. "If activist judges insist on re-defining marriage by court order, the only alternative will be the constitutional process. We must do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."

Sanctity definition: The quality of being holy.

Yeah, liberals concern over the Religious Right's infiltration of the Republican party is ENTIRELY unfounded.

CNn was showing Bay Buchanan and Jerry Falwell defending the Repblican Party the other day.

I think we know which direction they are headed in.

On a side note.

I was looking through DVDs at the store yesterday, did you know Bush has a religious DVD out?

"His faith will inspire you"

sure they arent religious freaks, their leader is putting out jesus freak DVDs - deny it all you want folks, the proof is in the news and Jerry Falwell defending the Republican "Moral Crusade"

too funny

:1orglaugh

bush stole the election

100 hacks

Baddog, it is a Republic but it is ALSO a democracy.

But speaking of "how many times does it have to be said" issues, Michael Moore was NOT the one who said the vote was rigged. The title of this thread is misleading, although I'm sure Moore probably said it to someone somewhere.

"I think the supreme court and the constitution are credible. you keep deciding which foriegn journalist or talk show host you want to believe."

:) So it said somewhere in the Constitution that George W. Bush won Florida? Man, you have to give it up for our forefathers... they had incredible insight! LOL

typical liberal.
when the truth shuts you down just yell "look over there":1orglaugh

as I said in my first point, this type of argument is dismissed by intelligent people.:thumbsup

I am amazed by conservatives who maintain that the Religious Right is not becoming a dominant force in the Republican party. Or who do not see this as a threat to America in general. Let's take a President openly speaking about the 'sanctity of marriage' (calling it, basically, a holy-founded institution) as an example.

In 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled:

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State'."

In 1992:

"When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs. A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some." Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun in the Lee v. Weisman ruling, 1992.

The Lemon test, established by the Supreme Court in 1971:
"To be constitutional, a law must: have a secular purpose, and
be neutral towards religion - neither hindering nor advancing it, and not result in excessive entanglements between the government and religion"

Justice O'Connor created this criteria: a law is unconstitutional if it favors one religion over another in a way that makes some people feel like outsiders and others feel like insiders.

So long as the President makes statements as he did in that article, he gives creedence to the idea that he favors violating the Supreme court's rulings from 1947 forward, in order to further a religious agenda.

But yeah, us 'liberals' really don't have a leg to stand on in our suspicions...

also marketing his religious video as "alternative to fahrenheit"

hahah

http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID49069...ite-House.aspx

and what is the title?

FAITH IN THE WHITE HOUSE

http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...ushFaithLG.jpg

what were we saying about religion? ;)

I went down a side road for a moment... though not entirely disrelated since you are the one who brought up how liberals view of the 'Religious Right's' influence was in essence, misguided.
I was attempting to gently show you that you are living in a fantasy land.

I never said once in this thread that the election was stolen. I said that holding up investigation of alleged voter fraud to ridicule is anti-democracy, and that I factually imagine Bush and Rove would agree.

Typical Republican. When someone makes a valid point, yell "typical liberal", and laugh. :winkwink:

i love the last line of this

Not since the days of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln has a president put so much stock in his Christian faith and prayer life for making decisions and leading the United States in its hour of crisis. According to BBC correspondent Justin Webb: "Nobody spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush. The Bush administration hums to the sound of prayer. Prayer meetings take place day and night. It's not uncommon to see White House functionaries hurrying down corridors carrying Bibles."
This program will examine the extraordinary faith and prayer life of President George W. Bush, and how it impacts his personal life and his decisions as the leader of the free world. See how his faith has been unshakeable in dealing with the 9/11 terrorist attack, fighting al-Qaeda, ridding Iraq of the Saddam Hussein regime, rooting out terrorists in Afghanistan, and how his religious beliefs bring personal peace and clarity in a time of terrorism and chaos across the world.

According to Newsweek magazine, "this presidency is the most resolutely faith-based in modern times - an enterprise founded, supported and guided by trust in the temporal and spiritual power of God."

:1orglaugh

I would contest that. You have to remember that Kerry received more votes than anyone ever elected president. Apparently there were enough new Republican voters to counter that.

i take that back, the next line of that is even better!

"from the barrom to the oval office"

BUAHAHAHAHAHA

This special also explores President Bush's boldness in witnessing and proclaiming his faith to world leaders, and examines his Christian appointees and the Presidential Prayer Team that uplifts him in intercessory prayer. Learn about George W. Bush's faith journey from the barroom to the Oval office. See how the power of faith can change a life, build a family and shape the destiny of a nation. His faith will inspire you! DVD or VHS FORMAT 70 Minutes. Normal retail is $14.95 ... RFC SPECIAL JUST $12.95

Yep, no substance to our conspiracy theory about the Religious Right's parasitic hold on the Republican party. No substance at all.

We're just a bunch of whiney liberals, who just want our pot legalized and couldn't possibly have concern about upholding the constitution this nation was founded on. Oh yeah, and don't forget: we don't carry about National Security, and have no understanding of fiscal responsibility, because you only become a Republican after you mature and grow out of being a Democrat.

http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/BigChart.gif

Thats pretty fucked up right there

ridiculing someone because they have a belief in god is silly.
imagining that 56million people who voted for Bush are religious wingnuts is silly.
not learning from this election just how silly, is silly.


haha, too many "sillys"

yep, thats pretty much the vibe you get listening to liberals talk.

"as I said in my first point, this type of argument is dismissed by intelligent people."

Haha... and you must not think the people here at GFY are very intelligent if you think your attempts at manipulation are working. ;) Your tactics are so third grade, 12clicks. Have a good day. :1orglaugh

Whoa - that's your party's fear tactic, not mine.

I personally believe in God, and don't consider a belief in him to be silly in the slightest.

I vehemently oppose legislation of those beliefs. Something the religious right is demonstrably for.

Additionally, I have never stated that the 59 million people who voted for Bush are religious wignuts. I have too many Republican friends to think that.

Bush, however, is who was being voted for - and he IS a right wing religious wing nut, openly interested in using the power of his office to further the agenda of the Religious Right. He is the man voted into office - not the large majority of Republicans who voted for whatever issue was important to them (which was their right). And this is a focal area for him - per him!

The fact that you would say this is evidence to me of Republican party spin (all democrats look down on religion). The same as Democratic left wingers that call all Republican voters toothless born agains with no brain of their own.

I'll put it this way - if Kerry had said "I will try to make abortion illegal" I would have voted for Nader.

I have no problem with Religion. I have a big problem with it determining policy, or being used as a guide to amend the constitution of the United States.

Is that 'silly'?

Wrong :321GFY

yes and no.
its exactly as I predicted. its easy to get college kids to register to vote and make big talk about voting, quite another to get them to the polls.
same with the underclass making up the other large percentage of the liberal electorate. Its easy to go to their house and register them, quite another to get them off the couch.

please show us the laws proposed or passed by the president in his 4 long years that make you think this.