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VeriSexy 11-09-2004 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Well, the good news is that weed will be legal. :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh That would make sense cause the only thing keeping weed legal in Canada in USA. If USA would be under war and become weak, then it would no longer have influence on Canada. Once it's legal in Canada then it would give no choice but to legalize it.

BRISK 11-09-2004 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
:1orglaugh That would make sense cause the only thing keeping weed legal in Canada in USA. If USA would be under war and become weak, then it would no longer have influence on Canada. Once it's legal in Canada then it would give no choice but to legalize it.
I don't think the US is the only reason keeping weed from being fully legal in Canada. I seem to remember reading that Canada actually began its war on drugs before the US.

VeriSexy 11-09-2004 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I don't think the US is the only reason keeping weed from being fully legal in Canada. I seem to remember reading that Canada actually began its war on drugs before the US.
Well that was before, Canada has become more and more liberal.

BRISK 11-09-2004 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Well that was before, Canada has become more and more liberal.
True, but I think it's unrealistic to expect any country to just fully legalize it. But it's good to see Canada making baby steps towards fully legalizing it. :thumbsup

TTiger 11-09-2004 04:17 AM

rumor said that our prime minister paul martin have been caught with drugs inside one of his ships :winkwink:

TTiger 11-09-2004 04:18 AM

any quebecer jeff fillion of andré arthur fans here?

Pornopat 11-09-2004 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Well, the good news is that weed will be legal. :1orglaugh
Probably as a medication against pain with all those predicted attacks..:(

Repetitive Monkey 11-09-2004 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan
He KNOWS hypnosis to be valid based on his experience.

You BELIEVE hypnosis to be invalid based on what you think after having read about it. I am sure if your scepticism was based on your years as a psychotherapist you would have mentioned it before now.

He didn't say that hypnosis wasn't valid, he said that it was a parlor trick. You are using a straw man argument to shoot him down, and that certainly is not valid.

the_wizz 11-09-2004 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I got an email from myself about it too. WTF is going on?????? :helpme :helpme :helpme
Someone needs to lay OFF the crack pipe.

Pornopat 11-09-2004 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I got an email from myself about it too. WTF is going on?????? :helpme :helpme :helpme
Put up a spamfilter. :winkwink:

VeriSexy 11-09-2004 06:10 AM

I was looking up info on country debts and found this :helpme

Is a USA Economic Collapse Due in 2005?

"The whole world is hostage to the misconceived economic policies of a dollar standard out of control."

The US Senate just reconfirmed 78-year-old Alan Greenspan to an unprecedented fifth term as chairman of the world's most powerful central bank, the Federal Reserve, or Fed as it is known. The fact that President Bush re-nominated Greenspan underscores how vulnerable the global financial edifice is, and not how excellent a central banker Greenspan is.

On the surface, world growth appears to be expanding finally, after severe recession and the 60% fall of the US stock market in 2000-2001. The Federal Reserve says it is so confident that growth in the US economy is taking firm hold, that it raised its key interest rate from a record low 1% to 1.25% last month, signaling it would slowly bring rates up to "neutral" levels of 3.5-4.5% over coming months. Around the world, strong growth of exports are being reported from Brazil to Mexico to South Korea. Growth in China is so strong the government is worried it is overheating. In Europe, the UK is expanding at the fastest pace in 15 years. France expects GDP to grow by 2.5%, and even Germany is talking about stronger export growth. The driver is US economic growth.

The problem with this optimistic picture is the fact it is entirely based on the dollar and unprecedented creation of cheap dollar credit by Greenspan and the Bush Administration. Their only short-term goal has been to keep the US economy strong enough to assure re-election for George Bush in November. Washington reports are that Bush made a deal to re-appoint Greenspan on the promise Greenspan would keep the economy growing until the elections. They have done this by a combination of historic low interest rates, rates only seen before in times of war or depression, and by stimulating the economy by record budget deficit spending, issuing government bonds to finance it. The world has been flooded with cheap dollars as a result.

What is clear now is that this unsustainable effort is likely to come to an end sometime in 2005, just after the elections, regardless of who is President. Given the scale of the money-printing by the Fed and the US Treasury since 2001, it is pre-programmed that the "correction" of the latest Greenspan credit binge will impact the entire global financial and economic system. Some economists fear a new Great Depression like the 1930's. The world today depends on cheap US dollar credit. When US interest rates are finally forced higher, dramatic shocks will hit Europe, Asia and the entire global economy, unlike any seen since the 1930's. Debts that now appear manageable will suddenly become un-payable. Defaults and bankruptcies will spread as they did in the wake of the 1931 Creditanstalt collapse.

The US Home Bubble

The official US myth is that the recession of 2000-2001 ended in November 2001 and "recovery" has been underway ever since. The reality is not so positive. Using record low interest rates, the Fed has lured American families into debt at record rates, creating what might be called a "virtual recovery," financed by record amounts of new consumer debt. There has never been a recovery before in which debt levels increase, rather the opposite.

The American dream of owning an own home has been the source of the record lending, helped by the lowest interest rates in 43 years. Greenspan has often boasted this has been what has propped the US economy since 2001. When families buy a home, they need furniture, they employ construction workers, electricians, engineers, and the economy grows. Record low interest rates have made it very easy for families to get a bank loan, using their home equity as collateral or guarantee. These loans, tied to the rising real estate prices, allowed American families to finance new furniture, cars, and countless more. In 2003 banks made a record $324 billion in such home equity loans, on top of $1 trillion in new mortgage loans.

All this economic consumption has created the illusion of a recovering economy. Behind the surface, a huge debt burden has built up. Since 1997, the total of home mortgage debt for Americans has risen 94% to a colossal $7.4 trillion, a debt of some $120,000 for a family of four. Bank loans for real estate purchases have risen since 1997 by 200%, to $2.4 trillion. Average US home prices have risen by 50% in the period since 1998. In 2003 alone a record total of $1 trillion in new mortgage loans were made. In 1997 mortgages totalled $202 billion.

In many parts of the US, home price inflation has become alarming. An apartment in Manhattan is now above $1 million. Home prices in Boston have risen by 64% in five years. California real estate prices are soaring. On average US home prices have risen 50% in six years, an unprecedented rise, driven by Greenspan's easy credit. In seven years to 2004, prices of US homes had risen on paper by $7 trillion to a total of $15 trillion, the highest in US history. The problem is so obviously dangerous, that Greenspan recently was forced to deny existence of any real estate "bubble," much as he denied a dot.com stock bubble in 2000.

But that is exactly what he has created with his low interest rates. The dot.com bubble has been transformed into a larger and more threatening real estate bubble. Families have been convinced to invest in a home as an alternative to buying stocks for their pension years.

The rise in home prices has been driven by cheap interest rates and banks rushing to lend with abandon. Because two semi-government agencies, the Federal National Mortgage Association, known as FannieMae, and the Government National Mortgage Association, or GinnieMae buy up the bank's mortgage contracts, taking the risk from the local banks, so the local lending bank has less pressure to guarantee that he lends to low-risk credit-worthy families likely to repay the loan.

The US Congress has passed new laws making it even easier for families to buy homes with no penny of their own money required initially as "down payment." This has meant a huge rise in mortgage loans to economically marginal or risky families. The number of such risky or "sub-prime" mortgage loans has risen by 70% this year alone, and now makes up 18% of all US mortgages. Many of these risky mortgages are made under "adjustable rate mortgages". Today adjustable rates are low, just above 4%. Because of this some 35% of all new mortgages are adjustable today.

So long as rates stay low, the roulette wheel of debt rolls on. The problem begins when interest rates rise and families, lured into buying a home with variable interest rate payments, suddenly find their monthly cost of paying the mortgage has exploded as interest rates rise. At that point, US banks will face a serious bad loan problem, far worse than that of 1990-92 when several of the largest US banks were on the brink of failure. US rates began to rise significantly in May, and the Fed was forced to raise its official rate on June 30 for the first time in four years. Many banks have loans written in adjustable mortgage rates. As US interest rates continue to rise over the next twelve months or so, that will trigger a wave of mortgage defaults. Some industry experts fear a "bloodbath" in 2005.

The American family is highly indebted, not just for their home. The Federal Reserve data show a total US debt level now above $35 trillions, or some $ 450,000 for a typical family of four. Average consumer debt for credit cards, autos and such is at record highs. Carmakers continue to offer car loans, with loans for up to six or even seven years. Many Americans owe more on their car than it is worth. The debt grows. As long as Fed rates are at 43 year lows, the debt is manageable. When US rates rise, it becomes unmanageable for many. The rise has begun. There are two ways rates are likely to rise from here.

First, the Fed itself has been forced to act, raising its Fed funds rate the first time since four years, to 1.25% from 1% on June 30. It had no choice. Greenspan has claimed for months that the US recovery was "strong" and that rates would return to "normal" soon. It was a calculated bluff. Had he not acted as US jobs data convinced investors recovery might be real, he faced a major crisis of confidence in the dollar. The Bush Administration reportedly manipulated employment statistics to show better job growth for the election.

Ever since raising rates, Greenspan has calmed nervous markets by stating that future rises will be ever so gradual. In other words: don't worry, speculators. But if he is to keep the confidence of the large bond markets, he must convince them that he is still vigilant against inflation. That is tough when prices for everything from copper to oil to lumber to soybeans and scrap steel are rising from 50% to 110% over recent months. His only anti-inflation tool is higher interest rates, or promise of same. The longer he fails to raise rates as prices rise, the greater the risk of a dollar crisis, as foreign investors fear the worst, namely that the US economy is in far worse shape than officials admit. The Fed is in a trap.

Yet higher interest rates threaten to explode the trillion dollar home mortgage debt bubble, where home values are estimated to be at least 20% overvalued nationally, or $3 trillion.

When private bond investors such as major pension funds and banks lose confidence in Greenspan's inflation commitment, the only other source of support for low interest rates would be the willingness of Japan and China above all, to pour billions more of their dollars into buying US bonds.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ENG407A.html

IPK 11-09-2004 06:17 AM

oh well, i've had a good run, i'm ready for whatever whenever

crockett 11-09-2004 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
wtf? I didn't post this...
Sure you did.. you just don't know you posted it yet because you did it in the future. :1orglaugh

12clicks 11-09-2004 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Dear fellow Americans,

I have travelled here from the year 2015 to bring you a very important message.

First of all, do not be concerned with the war in Iraq. There are much greater things to worry about that will soon be known. I can't even begin to explain the shitstorm that you are about to witness.

Also know that your recent election was rigged and the truth will come out very soon. Get used to John Kerry because he is your President for the next 11 years and counting. Yes I said 11 years and I really can't go into detail without writing a book but some very bad things happen and martial law is enacted in early of 2005. It hasn't been lifted yet and with the current climate it doesn't seem that it ever will be.

There will be no draft but there will be mandatory military service required from all healthy men and women from the age of 18 to 45. This will begin to take place in early 2006 and will continue until at least 2015 as well. If you are thinking of running to Canada to avoid this it won't help. Canada will soon be one of our biggest enemies. Who would have thought the pansies would ever put up a real fight?

Oil will soon be traded in Euros which will only compound the problems. I would tell you to remove your investments from the stock market and the dollar but it won't matter. All money will be worthless in the states soon.

I wish I could tell you more but so much of it is completely mind blowing and unavoidable anyhow. If you are planning on leaving the country do it now, just pick somewhere away from North America. The further the better.

Good luck my fellow men, half of you won't make it to 2015 and those that do will be pretty well miserable. Sorry I don't have better news for you.





:helpme :helpme :helpme

so this is what its come down to, eh?
the misguided youth of the interent rooting against their country by inventing their own fantasy reality.:1orglaugh


and they wonder why they lost.:1orglaugh

OzMan 11-09-2004 11:06 PM

:glugglug

Clicky_Bucks 11-09-2004 11:51 PM

stocktrader is a big pussy who is now a big crying baby. :1orglaugh

I bet he's glad he didn't take my 1000 dollar bet now.

Oh wait, I'm sure he would have welched by saying, "the election was rigged, you owe me 1000 bucks".

WarChild 11-10-2004 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Ok, this is very weird. As off the wall as this sounds it is very close to stuff that I have uncovered. Now, you can take this for what its worth but I used to place people under hypnosis and take them into past lives. A few dozen times I experimented with taking them into future lives, and although I had a hard time comprehending the validity of it they would all say the same things on certain issues. Such as marijuana being legal, how long it would take to fly from NY to LA, virtual reality being common in household TV's, etc. Interesting stuff but I took a lot of it with a grain of salt. Although 15 years ago one of them mentioned the internet which is why I jumped into it back in 1995.

About 5 years ago (the last time I did this) I placed this girl under hypnosis and she believed she was in the year 2035. She started talking about how terrorist attacks from years ago completely changed this country. She talked about how Bush got killed in an attack (which he wasnt even Pres at the time) and she said something that really stuck out, she said 'but from what I understand nobody really liked him anyway'. She went on to say that millions of Americans were killed with attacks that were simultaneously done in major cities, and afterwards almost half of the people in the country moved to different countries. She said it happened in 2005. It really did freak me out for a while but I told myself it probably wasnt true. Then Bush got elected, 9/11 happened, and it seems more and more like a strong possibility. I know how crazy this all sounds but I thought it was worth sharing, especially after reading this thread.

Seek help.

ThunderBalls 11-10-2004 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by WarChild
Seek help.

And be like you?


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