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Ad3pt · 11-06-2004, 07:53 PM

200 whiney Dem's

Xenophage · 11-06-2004, 07:54 PM

not any good to ahve more $$ when ya cant spend it on the things you want to

BRISK · 11-06-2004, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by LegendaryLars
not any good to ahve more $$ when ya cant spend it on the things you want to

Who's being prevented from spending their money on the things they want to spent it on?

Wolfy · 11-06-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by bringer
commy

Penthouse Tony · 11-06-2004, 11:02 PM

This thread just won't go away.

SultryMal · 11-06-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Arousal Design
This is such a flawed idea, its no wonder you believe it.

You have to revamp it because its not directly analagous. Let's say everyone in the school has to distribute their GPA amongst the rest of the school. Would it then be fair for the person with the GPA of 2.0 to give up 1.0 and the person with the 4.0 also only having to give up 1.0 ?

In terms of "fairness" ... the person with the GPA of 2.0 will be left with half of what they had, 1.0.. and the person with the 4.0 will be left with 3/4ths or 3.0 ... one will fail the other will still pass easily.

Who should have to lift the heavier rocks... the strongest person in the bunch or the weakest?

i dont think you got the point of the story in this post, the point is more towards that people who earn their money should not have to compensate for the people who slack off, or are just lazy (or in the story people who dont go to class and who just party the whole time) its not about fairness, we all no its not fair, the point of the story is to show how there is no excuse for people who dont try, they shouldnt get rewarded for their lack of effort, and we shouldnt harm the people who had the incentive and worked towards a goal

Rantan · 11-07-2004, 12:15 AM

what bullshit....most rich people never lifted a finger to get it, they were born into rich familys. look at a paris and nicky hilton, if they hadn't been born rich..they'ed just be two ugly as hell sisters copying all the big deisgners to try and look good..like they do anyways...except they can sell thier names to crappy jewlary and handbags.

A lot of people who have money, dont know the vaule of a dollar... rich people should be taxed more, because if they're so damn smart and have this amazing ability to gain money at will, they should be more then willing to give some up to thier fellow man.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-07-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Rantan
what bullshit....most rich people never lifted a finger to get it, they were born into rich familys. look at a paris and nicky hilton, if they hadn't been born rich..they'ed just be two ugly as hell sisters copying all the big deisgners to try and look good..like they do anyways...except they can sell thier names to crappy jewlary and handbags.

A lot of people who have money, dont know the vaule of a dollar... rich people should be taxed more, because if they're so damn smart and have this amazing ability to gain money at will, they should be more then willing to give some up to thier fellow man.

You are one bitter and vengeful little loser.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-07-2004, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by Rantan
they should be more then willing to give some up to thier fellow man.

By the way, you support slavery. Being forced to work for someone else's free gain, is, you know, slavery.

Rantan · 11-07-2004, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
You are one bitter and vengeful little loser.

It's true though... a lot of people with money dont deserve that kind of security.

Rantan · 11-07-2004, 12:25 AM

*sigh*

Repetitive Monkey · 11-07-2004, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Rantan
It's true though... a lot of people with money dont deserve that kind of security.

Who are you to decide that? As long as they didn't do anything criminal to get their money, they do indeed deserve their money.

Edit: They deserve their legally earned money as much as the next man. Saying that you don't deserve your money if you have done well is absurd.

untitled · 11-07-2004, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by SultryMal
I heard this story that I think all democrats should hear:

There was a girl named Jane, who was very liberal and just about to graduate from college.
Her father was a rich republican, so when Jane came back from break they started talking, first about school, Jane said that she studied all the time, and rarely had time to see anybody, but was getting a 4.0... then the subject moved to politics.
Jane believed that the government should distibute the money throughout the country, by giving the rich smaller tax cuts.
Tha father then asked her how her roommate was doing.
Jane told him not too well, she parties a lot and is only getting a 2.0, she is popular but rarely goes to class.
The father then says, ah well i see, well so why dont you give her 1.0 of yours, so then you both will have 3.0.
Jane said of course not! i worked hard for my grades...she then realized that its not fair to whine about taxing the rich because they had earned it, they shouldn't be punished for their success..

wow that makes so much sense and is so simple............ it must be true! i'm gonna vote republican now! jeeeeez i was st0000piD!!!1

NetRodent · 11-07-2004, 01:54 AM

Equal opportunity is a clever misnomer. It mearly means that society does not actively block an individuals progress.

Opportunities are in a sense resources, which are unfortunately finite. There is only so much money, so much time, so much love, etc. When society is allocating opportunties to individuals, it is more or less, investing in those individuals. When investing, the point is to maximize the return. Thus those individuals who have the greatest chance of success recieve the greatest share of opportunties.

Lets use the analogy of a bank loan officer. Every day he has appointments with people applying for loans. The bank only has a finite amount of money to loan out. So he has no choice but to lend the money to those peolpe he thinks have the greatest chance of being able to repay the loan. It doesn't make him feel warm and fuzzy inside to turn people down, but if he didn't turn them down the bank would have lent out money to people who can't repay their loans. Thus the bank would be decapitalized and be unable to loan money to anyone.

Like all human endevours, the way society manages the opportunities it provides is guided by emotion and fraught with mistakes. People with talent or ability don't always get a chance, and people without ability or talent get too many chances. It may not be fair, but it allows society to function.

CET · 11-07-2004, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by Rantan
what bullshit....most rich people never lifted a finger to get it, they were born into rich familys. look at a paris and nicky hilton, if they hadn't been born rich..they'ed just be two ugly as hell sisters copying all the big deisgners to try and look good..like they do anyways...except they can sell thier names to crappy jewlary and handbags.

A lot of people who have money, dont know the vaule of a dollar... rich people should be taxed more, because if they're so damn smart and have this amazing ability to gain money at will, they should be more then willing to give some up to thier fellow man.

Yet another person who hasn't read the thread before commenting! I'll say it for about the zillionth, "88% of all individuals in America with a net personal value over $10 million are first generation wealthy." This is from the book The Millionaire Next Door, an exhaustive study on America's wealthy class of the late 20th century.

Where did you get your statistic of "most rich people are born rich"? I'm willing to be $100 that you just made it up.

BRISK · 11-07-2004, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Rantan
rich people should be taxed more, because if they're so damn smart and have this amazing ability to gain money at will, they should be more then willing to give some up to thier fellow man.

This is the worst reasoning I've ever heard for why rich people should be taxed more.

reynold · 11-07-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by SultryMal
I heard this story that I think all democrats should hear:

There was a girl named Jane, who was very liberal and just about to graduate from college.
Her father was a rich republican, so when Jane came back from break they started talking, first about school, Jane said that she studied all the time, and rarely had time to see anybody, but was getting a 4.0... then the subject moved to politics.
Jane believed that the government should distibute the money throughout the country, by giving the rich smaller tax cuts.
Tha father then asked her how her roommate was doing.
Jane told him not too well, she parties a lot and is only getting a 2.0, she is popular but rarely goes to class.
The father then says, ah well i see, well so why dont you give her 1.0 of yours, so then you both will have 3.0.
Jane said of course not! i worked hard for my grades...she then realized that its not fair to whine about taxing the rich because they had earned it, they shouldn't be punished for their success..

That was very informative and interesting

Libertine · 11-07-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by CET
Yet another person who hasn't read the thread before commenting! I'll say it for about the zillionth, "88% of all individuals in America with a net personal value over $10 million are first generation wealthy." This is from the book The Millionaire Next Door, an exhaustive study on America's wealthy class of the late 20th century.

Where did you get your statistic of "most rich people are born rich"? I'm willing to be $100 that you just made it up.

If you're gonna keep bringing up that number, you'll have to provide the research method and definitions used if you want it to be taken seriously

Libertine · 11-07-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Rantan
what bullshit....most rich people never lifted a finger to get it, they were born into rich familys. look at a paris and nicky hilton, if they hadn't been born rich..they'ed just be two ugly as hell sisters copying all the big deisgners to try and look good..like they do anyways...except they can sell thier names to crappy jewlary and handbags.

A lot of people who have money, dont know the vaule of a dollar... rich people should be taxed more, because if they're so damn smart and have this amazing ability to gain money at will, they should be more then willing to give some up to thier fellow man.

You sound like a character from Atlas Shrugged

2HousePlague · 11-07-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
You sound like a character from Atlas Shrugged

LOL -- you WERE paying attention!

j-

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NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	Equal opportunity is a clever misnomer. It mearly means that society does not actively block an individuals progress. Opportunities are in a sense resources, which are unfortunately finite. There is only so much money, so much time, so much love, etc. When society is allocating opportunties to individuals, it is more or less, investing in those individuals. When investing, the point is to maximize the return. Thus those individuals who have the greatest chance of success recieve the greatest share of opportunties. Lets use the analogy of a bank loan officer. Every day he has appointments with people applying for loans. The bank only has a finite amount of money to loan out. So he has no choice but to lend the money to those peolpe he thinks have the greatest chance of being able to repay the loan. It doesn't make him feel warm and fuzzy inside to turn people down, but if he didn't turn them down the bank would have lent out money to people who can't repay their loans. Thus the bank would be decapitalized and be unable to loan money to anyone. Like all human endevours, the way society manages the opportunities it provides is guided by emotion and fraught with mistakes. People with talent or ability don't always get a chance, and people without ability or talent get too many chances. It may not be fair, but it allows society to function. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken Last edited by NetRodent; 11-07-2004 at 01:55 AM..

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