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Old 11-05-2004, 09:47 AM   #51
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Long movie about Diebold and voting problems.
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And not every official is happy to have your vote. It is well-reported that Broward County, Fla., failed to send out nearly 60,000 absentee ballots. What has not been nationally reported is that Broward's elections supervisor is a Jeb Bush appointee who took the post only after the governor took the unprecedented step of removing the prior elected supervisor who happened be a Democrat.

Listen, Broward country, FL did send out the 60k absentee ballots on the Friday before election, via FedEx Overnight, including a FedEx Overnight envelope to send it back to the voting place.

I can vouch for that, I saw three independent envelopes that got to Ohio just fine on Saturday AM.
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Long movie about Diebold and voting problems.

Dr. Herbert Thompson, Director, Security Innovation, Inc.: " I teach a lot of graduate level computer security courses at the FL institute of technology and if someone submitted the DieBold jam server version that Bev showed to me as a final project they would fail. The architecture is just that concerning."

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You quoted someone that said exit polls haven't been wrong in the past. You were wrong. There were serious errors in 2000 - so bad that Voter News Service had to be fired by the major news services.

If you're going to keep jumping from reason to reason as you are proven wrong you have already made up your mind and are reasoning backwards. To continue the debate is pointless because even though your prior reasoning was destroyed you just ignored it and were willing to hold to your "belief".

Usually having your supporting reasons crumble should weaken your resolve not strengthen it.

What you are ignoring is that Kerry won the states he was supposed to and so did Bush - according to the average of major polls conducted in the prior week. There were really no surprises. Quite predictable.
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Old 11-05-2004, 10:12 AM   #56
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Have a nice day people and please remember...

Question the fucked up way our government does ANYTHING and you must wear a tin foil hat.
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Awesome, the central tabulator program runs on windows and can be edited without logging in by browsing to the vote counts on your hard drive. How sweet of them to make it so fucking easy to cheat.
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That's very interesting article and I beleive that Kerry won.....
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And not every official is happy to have your vote. It is well-reported that Broward County, Fla., failed to send out nearly 60,000 absentee ballots. What has not been nationally reported is that Broward's elections supervisor is a Jeb Bush appointee who took the post only after the governor took the unprecedented step of removing the prior elected supervisor who happened be a Democrat.
Hhhmmm have to keep tuned to this news.
It was strainge that the news reported kerry was winning.
I don't give a shit anymore.
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Hhhmmm have to keep tuned to this news.
It was strainge that the news reported kerry was winning.
I don't give a shit anymore.

read my post above, it's bogus. the ballots did get sent out.
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read my post above, it's bogus. the ballots did get sent out.
The 2nd part of that quote is what I found more interesting.
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The 2nd part of that quote is what I found more interesting.

that doesn't change the fact that the ballots were sent out.
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On the last damn day? What if they were out of town or fishing that day?
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People should really read the source for that info. That guy bashes America and American politics every chance he gets.
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You quoted someone that said exit polls haven't been wrong in the past. You were wrong. There were serious errors in 2000 - so bad that Voter News Service had to be fired by the major news services.

If you're going to keep jumping from reason to reason as you are proven wrong you have already made up your mind and are reasoning backwards. To continue the debate is pointless because even though your prior reasoning was destroyed you just ignored it and were willing to hold to your "belief".

Usually having your supporting reasons crumble should weaken your resolve not strengthen it.

What you are ignoring is that Kerry won the states he was supposed to and so did Bush - according to the average of major polls conducted in the prior week. There were really no surprises. Quite predictable.
You're wasting your time, man. These people don't want facts, they want rhetoric and conspiracy theories. You could disprove 1,000 different arguments and it would make no difference. The funny thing is, if Kerry had done something that was blatantly cheating, there was actual proof, yet he had won the presidency, these idiots would be saying "yea dude, Kerry's the man! Cool trick he played on dummy Bush." They'll be crying about Bush's victory for years like a bunch of fucking babies because the fact is, Bush won fair and square. If there was any truth to any of these theories, the Democrats would be all over it like white on rice and never would have conceded.
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You quoted someone that said exit polls haven't been wrong in the past. You were wrong. There were serious errors in 2000 - so bad that Voter News Service had to be fired by the major news services.

Ahahahaha, sorry I missed this the first time. Keep trying though. I only pasted that part of the article because I didn't want to paste the whole thing. If you had read it you would know they said the exit polls have worked for decades and weren't fucked up royally until the 2000 election and again this year. My prior reasoning was nowhere near destroyed.
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You're wasting your time, man. These people don't want facts, they want rhetoric and conspiracy theories. You could disprove 1,000 different arguments and it would make no difference. The funny thing is, if Kerry had done something that was blatantly cheating, there was actual proof, yet he had won the presidency, these idiots would be saying "yea dude, Kerry's the man! Cool trick he played on dummy Bush." They'll be crying about Bush's victory for years like a bunch of fucking babies because the fact is, Bush won fair and square. If there was any truth to any of these theories, the Democrats would be all over it like white on rice and never would have conceded.
The Democrats could have taken the last election if they had the balls to fight. Too bad you blind fuckers can't see that I am pissed off our country is so royally fucked it makes me sick. If Kerry won but it appeared he cheated I'd be posting articles about his ass today. Try again you worthless, self righteous fuck.
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The Democrats could have taken the last election if they had the balls to fight.
Um, Gore dragged the election out for weeks before he finally conceded. At least Kerry had the class to admit he lost and to call for unity (like he'll ever get it).

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Too bad you blind fuckers can't see that I am pissed off our country is so royally fucked it makes me sick.
I can see you're pissed off, but you're still an idiot.
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Try again you worthless, self righteous fuck.
Spoken like a true, impotent, rage-filled left-wing kook. And you wonder why the Democratic party is in a shambles. Please keep it up. Michael Moore and Al Franken in '08!!
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Spoken like a true, impotent, rage-filled left-wing kook. And you wonder why the Democratic party is in a shambles. Please keep it up. Michael Moore and Al Franken in '08!!
I'm not a democrat your ignorant waste of human flesh.

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Ok, so what's your excuse for being an uneducated, conspiracy theory hatching moron? Just comes natural I guess.
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Ok, so what's your excuse for being an uneducated, conspiracy theory hatching moron? Just comes natural I guess.
What's your excuse for having such a hardon for your party that you insist on labeling anyone that doesn't agree with you or points out the idiocy of how things of this importance are handled?
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What's your excuse for having such a hardon for your party that you insist on labeling anyone that doesn't agree with you or points out the idiocy of how things of this importance are handled?
Pointing out facts, is not labeling anyone. Believe me, I have seen way more Bush haters on here who take the hard line that if you disagree with them, you are an idiot, moron, sheep, monkey, "insert insult here". You yourself have called me a self-righteous fuck and an ignorant waste of human flesh simply because I pointed out (along with other people) the fallacy of your arguments. But I'm the big bad "labeler" here. Gimme a break. Grow up and stop pretending you know everything. You don't.
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Pointing out facts, is not labeling anyone. Believe me, I have seen way more Bush haters on here who take the hard line that if you disagree with them, you are an idiot, moron, sheep, monkey, "insert insult here". You yourself have called me a self-righteous fuck and an ignorant waste of human flesh simply because I pointed out (along with other people) the fallacy of your arguments. But I'm the big bad "labeler" here. Gimme a break. Grow up and stop pretending you know everything. You don't.
Spoken like a true, impotent, rage-filled left-wing kook. And you wonder why the Democratic party is in a shambles. Please keep it up. Michael Moore and Al Franken in '08!!
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I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Either you don't know how to use the quote function, or you think what I said to you is a witty comeback? Help me out here.
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I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Either you don't know how to use the quote function, or you think what I said to you is a witty comeback? Help me out here.
Pointing out facts, is not labeling anyone.

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I am not gonna trash anyone for minor errors or asking what may appear to be stupid questions....

but... with all due respect to you, this is not the first time anyone has called or suggested you are "a self-righteous fuck"... including me, tho not in those words.

Perhaps if you gave some thought to whatever you are typing, your points may come across as more rational.
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Does mommy hold your pee pee while you tinkle still?
Good lord, how old are you? Here's what you posted as a comeback to me:
"Spoken like a true, impotent, rage-filled left-wing kook. And you wonder why the Democratic party is in a shambles. Please keep it up. Michael Moore and Al Franken in '08!!"

Now, I can't really see where the post that you wrote that in response to has me as rage-filled, and certainly not left-wing. I don't wonder why the Democratic party is in a shambles...um, I know. If you truly want Michael Moore and Al Franken for president, more power to you.

The scary thing is I think you think you're making some kind of point here(?) God, if you've devolved so far as to only be able to make juvenille insults interspersed with my own posts like some kind of weird chatbot, this has gone beyond even my low expectations of you.
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I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Either you don't know how to use the quote function, or you think what I said to you is a witty comeback?
Once again you grasped at the banal....

Tip a tip.... just laugh and let your brain stay at that level.
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I'm dreaming they are fighting behind the scenes but in reality I doubt they are doing a damn thing about it.
The reality is Kerry lost, get over it.

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I am not gonna trash anyone for minor errors or asking what may appear to be stupid questions....

but... with all due respect to you, this is not the first time anyone has called or suggested you are "a self-righteous fuck"... including me, tho not in those words.

Perhaps if you gave some thought to whatever you are typing, your points may come across as more rational.
Hey Webman. What's up. Of course, I'm not liked around here. Anyone who defends the idiotic Bush bashing isn't. Doesn't change the lunacy and inaccuracy of the statements though. Hilarious that someone like you would talk about posts being "rational".
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Tip a tip.... just laugh and let your brain stay at that level.
Just when I thought you'd learned english, you hit me with this post. Damn. (Btw, I'm not trashing him for a minor error; he intended to post my own post, he thinks it's clever).
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There is nothing more funny than one idiot defending another.

"You" are clearly not liked by 50% of the US electorate and the majority of the people on the planet.

Why? Not because Bush has a little brain like you. Not because he is inept.

My reason for "bashing Bush" is the man is a born liar, has decieved the US people and is responsible for deaths of many since he unfortunately survived birth. After that unfortunate happening, he has left a trail of financial ruin every path he took.

This level of honor and credibility in a leader has not been seen in any western nation since WW2.

Yet... amazingly you defend this person?? Why would you do that??
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Just when I thought you'd learned english, you hit me with this post. Damn. (Btw, I'm not trashing him for a minor error; he intended to post my own post, he thinks it's clever).
I'll just write you off as utterly helpless and devoid of logic. I was showing you your post in my first cut and paste to counter that specific post. The 2nd one was pointing out how your post was ironic / retarded. I didn't know you needed help understanding it too, most people knew what I meant. I'll just label you as special and quit addressing you now.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:18 PM   #85
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Just when I thought you'd learned english, you hit me with this post.
Why are you so pathetic??

My command of English - that has a capital E, is clearly better than your command of anything.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:21 PM   #86
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I'm a black voter in Ohio and we weren't cheated out of shit....The young black vote didn't come out at all. Blacks cheated OURSELVES out of this election. It had absolutely nothing to do with "the man" or any conspiracy shit like that....What it boils down to is that niggas were in the bed sleeping or getting high or fuckin or whatever the fuck else besides getting their lazy asses out to vote.
yep and the young people split 50/50

What it came down 2 was moral issues, the Demo's didn't think that much of them.

And they still don't get it, from what I see on the news and read in papers. They got four more years 2 get it.

The gay marrage also was much bigger in about 10 of the states where it was on the ballot.

And the gay's don't believe it made any Diff.

i could go on and on, they just don't get it, maybe in about 2 month's ?
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:21 PM   #87
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I'll just write you off as utterly helpless and devoid of logic. I was showing you your post in my first cut and paste to counter that specific post. The 2nd one was pointing out how your post was ironic / retarded. I didn't know you needed help understanding it too, most people knew what I meant. I'll just label you as special and quit addressing you now.
Um...as I pointed out, your use of my own post as a counter to "that specific post" made no sense. I can't dumb it down anymore for you. Although, asking if my mom holds my pee pee when I tinkle was quite a good comeback. Anyhow, yes please write me off as devoid of all logic and utterly helpless. Whatever will I do without your respect and approval?
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:22 PM   #88
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I'm a black voter in Ohio and we weren't cheated out of shit....The young black vote didn't come out at all. Blacks cheated OURSELVES out of this election. It had absolutely nothing to do with "the man" or any conspiracy shit like that....What it boils down to is that niggas were in the bed sleeping or getting high or fuckin or whatever the fuck else besides getting their lazy asses out to vote.
yep and the young people split 50/50

What it came down 2 was moral issues, the Demo's didn't think that much of them.

And they still don't get it, from what I see on the news and read in papers. They got four more years 2 get it.

The gay marrage also was much bigger in about 10 of the states where it was on the ballot.

And the gay's don't believe it made any Diff.

i could go on and on, they just don't get it, maybe in about 2 month's ?

Even the one on this board, they just don't get it.

East coast and west coast is not the USA. But they just don't get it.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:23 PM   #89
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Why are you so pathetic??

My command of English - that has a capital E, is clearly better than your command of anything.
Webman, I wish I could stay and fight with you. I been fucking around with this idiot for the past few hours; you should have showed up sooner. Now it's lunchtime! Catch ya in a fight in another thread. P.S. Learn how to use quotation marks.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:25 PM   #90
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P.S. Learn how to use quotation marks.
Get *any* education and learn to write English!
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:28 PM   #91
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Get *any* education and learn to write English!
That's just so patently absurd, I'll just let everyone else laugh at you. Later dude.
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:28 PM   #92
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Kerry won? Does he know this?
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Old 11-05-2004, 01:29 PM   #93
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Ah, another exit poll expert!

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Old 11-05-2004, 01:34 PM   #94
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Spoken like a true, impotent, rage-filled left-wing kook. And you wonder why the Democratic party is in a shambles. Please keep it up. Michael Moore and Al Franken in '08!! [/B]

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Old 11-05-2004, 01:50 PM   #95
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Of course Kerry won. Big surprise. The NeoCon Republican criminal enterprise chugs on. Bush is a spoiled little rich brat who once threw fits in the military to get his way (then had his daddy smooth things out), now he's doing the same thing on a global scale.

These backward arrogant cretins need to have somebody slap the crap out of them and send them to their rooms, but there is no one big enough to do it.

All the rest of us can do is work on secession.
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Old 11-05-2004, 03:32 PM   #96
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, you don't think kerry knew the drill, that's why he bowed out.....he knew he supposed to lose
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