Gary

Hate to break it to you, but Quebec takes in ALOT more than it gives out. And i dont hate the french. I'm french, my grand parents are seperatists. I love them, even if they are crazy. But they dont like my mom cause she's english. Go figure.

wiZd0m

Some people are racist, we can't change that.

300 years ago, my Familly came from Vienna, Austria, they moved to the Balkans (Istra, the peninsula where the Roman emperors were comming to rest in thier "summer houses") Since then, there hs been 5 differents regimes in power, The Austro-Hungarians, The Italian, The Nazi, The Communist under General Tito (Yougoslavia) and now it's the Croatia since the war (Hrvatska). I have familly in Austria, Italy, Croatia, Canada and United-States. I have branches of the family mixed with all these different cultures, so really, I don't care what race color, language, faith peopel around me are. I speak fluently in 4 languages (I am not the greatest in all, but I can hold my own) and when I hear closed minded people with a "One english fits all", it reminds me of a certain mentality we have seen not so long ago in europe ...

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Some might argue the seperatists are similar to that regime you alude to also.

mischief

See what you started Lens.

dewpoint

Just in case all of our American friends and my fellow Canadians forget...there is a Canada beyond the East...it's called Western Canada and it contains my personal favorite...Calgary, Alberta.

-=HUNGRYMAN=-

If that be the case, why do Seperatists want to be on their own, but using Canada's currency and economy ???

Go Fuck Yourself !

And ... "a couple violent individuals" ?!?
You had better go back and read your history books again ... I was too young to remember the incident, but I did a thesus paper on it (which I got an 'A' for) ... it was alot more to it then a couple violent individuals.
A country DOES NOT declare a state of Martial Law, for a couple of violent individuals ...

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mischief

Wizdom, if you know fuck all, you know damned well that Alberta contributes more to equalization than any other province. Don't believe me, look it up. Do not get all pissed off and think this is another hate Quebec post, quite contrary, outside of Alberta, Quebec is my favorite place to visit. I love the people, the culture, and the geography. I have visited many cities world wide, and without a doubt, my favorite is Quebec City. Canada is a great country and the envy of most of the world, don't trash it to make your point because that is bullshit. As for fellow Canadian webmasters on this board making stupid remarks like the one about Quebecers being lazy or unemployed, no wonder they get pissed at you. Fuck people, get along already.

Gemini

Hey I remember that happening! Sure stirred things down here too. Good thing Dubya wasn't in office then. lol

Now y'all rebels quit'cher fussing, this h'yar h'ain't no politikal bord! Keep it North of the border!! :P

mischief

Sorry Gem,.didn't mean to get yer ovaries in an uproar, I shall behave. :}

wiZd0m

Hey don't get me wrong, my parent did emigrated to canada because it is the nuymber 1 country in the world for standard of living

As far as Quebec is concerned, all they want is to be able to run their own civil system, education system, heath care and be in charges of all the levers of the economy. It's not so much a new country they want you know, but a new partnership with the english neighbors, something fair and equitable where they can all prosper. Not the curent system.

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same old, same old

and you know who always gets boned in the end?

you bet, the fucking first nations

so quit your quibbling and if you want to protect rights that have been violated then i suggest you start speaking up for the Inuit and First Nations people

since Inuktitut and other First Nation languages were first spoken in Canada thousands of years ago i don't think the english or french speaking citizens have any reason to fucking complain

Nysus

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I know many Americans -- I could generally say they're dumb too.

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magnatique

it's true about alberta bringing most of Canada's cash to it...

Same as Quebec... In fact, I believe that in a couple ywears you'll see alberta and Quebec Unify to centralize their power to their own government, just like Quebec has been trying for the last few years... discussions have already started I believe.

Why would quebec use the canadian money, shall they get their independance? why do Europe are trying to get their own currency? currencies are tricky, and it's hard to base a new political trust in a currency over the countries. seperatists want to save their language, and they wanna be the ones taking care of their schools, their health care, etc...... because thwey live in that situation, and know how to take care of it best...

if the government (canada) would give away thos epowers, then those still complaining about seperation would be fools.


as far as the law about the language, 1.5X bigger and all....
Cd, where do you draw the line? I mean, 20 years ago, downtown was all english.... still today, you get served in english downtown most of the time, although french is the majority... without laws, this can easily deteriorates... they HAVE to draw the line... so, they put that 1.5X law... it might not be the right way to do it, but it's the way it is...

Just like drinking is 0.08 here.... I am still perfect at 0.12, I'M a big guy, and I can hold my alcool... but others can't... that's why it's there!

Gary

Ok, before this turns ugly, can we all just agree that I'm right and everyone else is wrong???

Amputate Your Head

"Before" this turns ugly?

Juge

They are $157.00 in Canada at the moment. Only $112.00 (or pretty close to it) a year ago. Not that I would know or anything.

Juge

Rod, as you may expect, I find that extremely hard to believe. I would have to see the source of that information before I could believe it. But, regardless, this is not what I was talking about. I was talking about being ignorant about the neigbouring country. Name a state, and there will be far less (% wise) canadians to mistake it as a business name than americans vice-versa. That's pathetic, you must admit And, with so many more states, it would be harder for canadians to do so.

I would like to see the stats/facts on the serveys about how dumb the public is, though - it would be interesting to find out. You can never underestimate their stupidity.

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Juge

Ha ha, look up Maine on a map, and look around it. You'll see the biggest bowling alley ever. So i take you really haven't ever looked on a map...?

CDSmith

I'll go ahead and use your same analogy here:
-120+ years ago the French were CONQUERED
-Some 30 years ago all of Canada accepts French as it's second official language
- 8 and 10 years ago approximately, Canada holds referendums to decide the fate of Quebec. Separatist movement loses (but really they win) and it is decided.
- Using the words of Magnatique, CD makes his point: "it might not be the right way to do it, but it's the way it is"


Let's look at the states shall we? They take in lots of people from other countries, they have HUGE French, German, Italian and East-Indian and Asian communities. Let's take the state of Louisianna -- Lot's of french people there, deepset French culture from 100's of years back. Now, if Louisianna ever tried to secede from the US, what the FUCK do you titwads think would happen?? The state would have the National guard up their fucking separatist ying-yang so fast it'd make the earth shake. Reason?: The US is a "melting pot", meaning that immigrants are welcome, but first they must become "Americans" above all else.

Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, Canada is Canada, and anyone that wants to start their own country can fuck off somewhere else and start up shop. There are a few MILLION people that have lived in Quebec every bit as long as any damn separatist, and they do NOT want to separate from Canada. Native Canadians in Quebec are not on your side, what do the separatists plan for all these non-separatist people I wonder?

Don't bring your stupid separatist bullshit to work with you, please, you make me and the rest of Canada sick. Canadians and Canada have bent over backwards to preserve it's French heritage, but nothing ever shuts up the hard-core separatists. Nothing.
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Based on the question, do Canadians ever work... well yesterday I was out on my Boat all day... so no, I did not work and am f-in sunburnt on my face today

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If it were'nt for those checks comming in monthly from the goverment, I wouldnt be looking at porn now would I?

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Gary

We also have a porn subsidy program in Canada for struggling pornographers. Its a gret country.

Kimmykim

Hmmmm, maybe if we throw in a couple of worthless US states your separatists could get going?

magnatique

CD, why the hell did you bring out the separatist melodrama to me LOL

I just explained the reason why we have these laws about french being the bigger font used on the ads and such...

you can't deny this man...

QUebec is a French speaking province, where english is there as second language, and rest of canada is english, where second language is french, PRACTICALLY..

it should be french/english all equally, but it's not... we don't care about that

what I meant is this province needs to protect the french , and the ads thing is one way to do it, they drew the line... as I said, it might not be the right way/place to do it, but it had to be done...


I'm sure many of the South California people that keep seeing Spanish all around the state, or that gets answered on a good deal of businesses in spanish feel the same...


that is all I meant dude, don't bring me in a conflict I don't wanna take part of, as I'm NOT believeing seperation is any good, but rather a better understanding of every provinces' needs, which could be attained by giving govn't more power... just like alberta should have more for what they bring, and get the possibility to take care of what they want...

magnatique

btw, CD, I'm not trying to say you're wrong with your comparison of Canada and USA for the lousiana and quebec thing..

but you are LOL

I mean, USA is a Republic, we're a Democracy...

by us being a pure democracy, it leaves every group of people from this country make a democratic decision as a whole, as long as they get 50%+1.... can't deny that, it's the way this country is built... so no Province SHOULD get denied the right to decide of their destiny, whether we're talking about quebec wanting independance, or alberta, or Yukon, or any of those... since it's a democracy


once again, I'm not trying to support any side, but merely trying to make that statement more right..


I still get your point hehe


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CDSmith

Mag, much of what I said above was more directed at answering Wizdom's comments, not yours, but I took the liberty of using your words to get my point across.

Yes, USA is a republic, thus the "melting pot" and "American first" approach. As for the 50%+1 approach and democaracy, that's exactly why we held the referendums, and the fucking separatists lost. They lost last time by the narrow margin of -5600 or something, but it is a clear LOSS just the same. All the rest of average Canadians had hoped that it would finally shut the whiners up for good, but no, they never shut up, they never stop whining no matter how much they are given. (And they've been given a hell of a lot).

You don't see the huge German/Nordic/Menonite communities out west here yapping about preserving their culture and separating do you?. They just preserve their culture on thier own and get on with life, they don't cause a national crisis every 4 or 5 years about it.

Lastly, as I said earlier, Quebec is NOT ONLY a French speaking province (with English as second language), there is a very large English population that is a minority in Quebec, yet again you don't hear THEM whining about preserving THEIR cultures do you? No, they get on with life, as should the separatists. I'll tell you what, if I ever see one of these separatist fuckers wiping his ass with MY flag, both of us will have to go to the hospital. Him to get his asshole fixed, and me to get my foot out of it
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Balljoints

Funny how people judge people from another country on LIMITED interaction with people from that country. And funny how the people from Canada fight amongst themselves and at the same time have to say during this fighting how stupid Americans are.... All countries have their good things as well as bad. Since we don't all come from the same cultural background, and some work on stats they pull out of their ass, can't topics like this just be squelched before they start getting personal? If you are patriotic you love your country, and no matter what are going to think your country is the best in the world.

And not sure who said it, but the comment of Canada having the highest standard of living in the world LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I couldn't stop laughing when that was said

And the person that said the US is not a Democracy but a Republic.. WHAT?? And there is no such thing as a pure (insert your type of government) they are all hybrids. Nothing is perfect.

Balljoints

magnatique

balljoint, USA IS a republic, with a democratic approache..

Canada is not purely democratic, but it's one of the closest to it, at least amongst the most democratic ones..

CD compare pears with pears..

you compare minorities of BC (like chinese and all) not fighting for their culture...
with french from Quebec...

well, french from quebec are the majorities there, hence why they fight to keep the majority in their own province, hence they need to fight to keep it amongst a english bassin...

why english from quebec don't whine? same reason why chinese from BC don't whine... not the mass...

it's just not demographically and socially the same. France brought the country up, we got conquered, french kept the pride of a country of old, hence they kept the language as the last reminescence of it. what makes a people different is what makes them proud. USA are proud of their independance for example. then you get the threat of having your people deprived from it... hence the social unrest that we are seing.

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although the loss is clearly there from the democratic point of view, there is two things to notice here:

the radical seperatist DO whine for nothing IMHO

the people with opened eyes DO complain for a GOOD reason... that result clearly shows there is a HUGE political and Social unrest amongst the population, which has to be fixed.... this is clearly something to complain about... seperating is prolly not the answer, but there still is something to be done.


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all I'm trying to show here is that there's always two sides to the medal... while you see french whine for nothing, they see you keep on trying to fuck us out of it...

I'm personally the type who likes to see the full spectrum before making my judgement...

as much as I can now be seen to try and protect my french heritage in arguments, I probably have done the same to say some stuff they do is wrong when talking with my seperatist (is is still one, I dunno) Father.

NOTR

Gary that's what these checks are for?

Just a thought

Is Quebec the biggest porn producers in Canada ?

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Actually BJ, from what I've seen of the actual results every few years, Canada is not always the country with the highest/best standard of living, but we are always ranked quite high in the top 5, again...only from the years that I've seen the results. I don't think I'd ever go so far as to boast us as #1, that's just not true of any one country in the last 10 to 20 years.

Also, believe me when I say that per capita, Canada has just as many stupid people, again...."per capita." (look it up if you have to) (I mean look up the meaning of the term "per capita" hee hee) There are many ways to get oneself classed as stupid. I'm sure that if you were to round up 1000 people from all over the world and toss them all in one big room and evaluate them intricately, you'd no doubt find that the % of fucking idiots remains constant no matter what countries you grab them from.

Mag, your reasoning is again clouded for some unseen reason. Just because the French are in the majority in Quebec gives them cause to whine and bitch?? Great, I'll keep that in mind during the next big "push" by the Quebequois bloc(heads). Something the separatists fail to remember when spouting their endless diatribe is that not all French in Quebec want to separate.
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magnatique

there's a good deal of porners in Montreal and Vancouver.... at least, it's the 2 places with the most that I know of in Canada.... add in maybe toronto...

CDSmith

I just realized, the French word for stuffing (as in "are we having stuffing with the turkey?)
is "Farce"


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Balljoints

Just a quick note here.. Standard of living.. Canada is not in the top 10 of the list. The US is not the top, the highest rated have been a couple of the arab countries that control oil (Kuwait used to be the top for YEARS!). Also, Switzerland, (they have always been up there because they generate MASSIVE amounts of money just from the fees of their banking industry(nobody has a name) and their small population. Wish I could find the non biased standard of living polls that used to be published yearly. Found some good articles, but none that are non biased..

Again I say, Patriotism is great! I have it, and I don't know if I could have a better standard of living anywhere else, but I don't want to even try. So it is easy to say that a country is in the top 5, but feelings get in the way. Unbiased stats talk. I know the UN used to put the stats out, but I couldn't find them

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julia

politic is nasty!!
lets just be friendly and respect everyone's opinion!!

magnatique

Cd, my term wasn't proper, by whining, I meant defending their culture by trying to get things changed, as they're not the best they could be at the moment

anyways, week-end's over, so this thing is over as well, gotta work hehe ;P

magnatique

btw, you can blame something on the french CD..

the reason why I was not precise with my choice of vocabulary by using whine and complain

Yes, I am french, english is my second language, and I still lack the abundance of vocabulary some of you show by your perfect eloquence

Serge_Oprano

why should they bother?

they probably getting paid with your checks
;-)))