No, they are not swinging from vines. Chimpanzees and humans are similar, not the same. i.e. related. 7 million years of being separate species is quite a bit of time.

It wasn't strange. I just didn't take the time. Chimps do use language and they (along with gorillas) can be taught sign language. As titmowse said, hit the Goodall literature. Also De Waals.

I don't know where the stats are from or how they were collected. Ask Johnny he posted them.

Then stop being willfully ignorant and read the scientific literature!

BTW, what you have in common with red necks is your non-acceptance of evolution. It's interesting that most of the people, not all but most, that don't accept evolution are usually at the shallow end of the gene pool.

I was almost certain the recent studies indicated the opposite with regard to sign language.

With regard to language, you and I can't make heads or tales out of screaming they produce as a viable language for them. It's communication, but I wouldn't go as far as language.

Well fellas, it's been fun to be the chick in this little intellectual gang bang but I must be off to do the duties of a mom.

GFY night shift is the best shift! :Graucho

We are not arguing abiogenesis and this has been explained to you more than once.

Like I said, 'creationism' is not scientific.

Heard of the scientific method?

Who said that I "doubt it"? I am just like you and the rest of the entire population of this earth...I don't know. One can "believe" but belief is not a substitute for fact.

I guess it depends how hungry the hairy little fucker is :glugglug

So they just happened to not evolve over 7 million years while we did and they live in the same areas as many of us? Hmmm

They do solve problems. Cats and rodents solve problems too. Ever have a cat figure out how to open a door? Ever have a problem with a rodent that has figured out how to open the door to its cage?

Gravity is not a fact.

Science doesn't deal in 'facts', it deals with theory and hypotheses.

Squirrels do this also. What does it prove?



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A preacher is FAR more likely to be wrong since preachers are usually not nearly as educated in the field of biology as biologists are. These same preachers also try to debunk plate techtonics. So now these prechers claim to know more about biology and geology then biologists and geologists COMBINED.

Edit: I nearly forgot, preachers claim to be more knowledgable then physicsts also. They try to argue against the big bang theory, and the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

chimpanzees make and use tools

:glugglug

It proves there to stupid to learn how to skin up a joint and put their time to better use :glugglug

The chimp gets the banana.

Logically life had to have an "origin" in order for evolution (micro and/or macro) to take place...thus the only two alternatives that I am aware of is either "creationism" or abiogenesis. One is just as "scientific" as the other at this point in time...as there is no "scientific" evidence for either.

And the mouse finds the cheese. Big deal.

Well there's very little in this world that is unequivocal fact. When you live your life sometimes the "best" theory has to suffice.

Why are black people (people from a tropical climate) FAR more likely to be immune to malaria (a tropical disease) then white people (people from a temperate climate)?

Even now you're only focusing on what you want to focus on. Completely ignoring everything else.

Ok, he gets the bananda. He makes "tools" with sticks and stones (we have to use that term loosely).

So what?

Because of natural selection.

Are you really this stupid?

We are not arguing abiogenesis.

Start your own thread and argue with yourself about it.

Have you ignored culture, langurage, innovation. REAL tools, PLANNING, mobility, clothing, etc etc.

LITERATURE, WRITING, READING, ANALYIS, SYNTHESIS

Have to agree with Mike, what does this have to do with evolution, maybe the chimp has always been able to do that since it was created

Mike33,

So you don't believe in microevolution or macroevolution?

How do bacteria get resistance to antiobiotics? Magic perhaps?

There you go...one can either believe in the "theory" of evolution or not...since by your own admittion it is not fact. You seem to want to insist that everyone should "believe" as you "believe" when what you believe is admittedly not fact.

It exhibits an understanding of causal relationships and that they're able to use that understanding as a means of problem solving. They're cognitive. They're thinking.

They've evolved too. I think you just got stuck on the idea that if you don't drive a car you didn't evolve. Only one species in hundreds of millions of years became capable of inventing automobiles. We shouldn't expect others to or say they haven't evolved as a result.

They were naturally selected for survivable traits, right? The rest were killed off by malaria, right? Where did this resistance come from? If everyone else was killed off, then why isn't the planet empty from all of the animals killed off by disease if there is no way to change?

What is intelligence? Is it the ability to manipulate your environment or the ability to adapt to your environment? My old biology teacher would say the dolphin is more intelligent than man because dolphins have perfectly adapted to their environment.

Sure, mankind can manipulate his environment but in the process he is destroying that environment. Is this intelligence?

maybe they always could, maybe they havnt changed, maybe the only reason they didnt stand on boxes before to get bannanas was because there wasnt some stupid human puting a box in a room near a bannana on the ceiling

Tools are tools. They are built to assist with specific tasks. My power tools are far better then what tey had in the renaissance age, but they stuff they used in the renaissance are still tools.

The word 'theory' means something different in the context of science.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQ...sci_theory.htm

I thought you'd gone? :winkwink:

I have already stated that there is quite alot of scientific evidence to indicate that micro-evolution has taken place...less (if any) that macro-evolution has taken place...but by your own words...it is "theory" and not fact...thus one can either "believe" in one or both or not. I also will still insist that neiter micro or macro evolution is possible without an origin of life...and to my knowledge there are only two known possibilties and that is either "abiogensis" or a "creator".

brainy talk gets me hot ;)

This resistance always existed within members of the group, that's where.

Ok, so?