Kerry Movie available online - FREE

[ezrydn]

Since the Sinclair Broadcasting PUSSYS were bought out on the showing of "Stolen Honor," you can now see it online for FREE:

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp

[Dalai lama]

Nice, let me check it

[TheLegacy]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=229

Moore Launches 'Fahrenheit for Free' Campaign In Madison

Some Video Stores Offer Free Rental Oct. 26

Channel 3000

MADISON, Wis. -- Michael Moore is launching a nationwide campaign to get more people to see his anti-Bush movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Moore announced Saturday there will be a national "Fahrenheit for Free" day Oct. 26. He's trying to get video stores around the country to offer free rentals. Moore was in Madison at the Memorial Union Terrace on campus, for his "Slacker Uprising Tour."

[MrJackMeHoff]

Originally posted by ezrydn
Since the Sinclair Broadcasting PUSSYS were bought out on the showing of "Stolen Honor," you can now see it online for FREE:

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp

I dont care if he fucked honor in the ass he's still better than bush!

[Dalai lama]

I liked it

[ezrydn]

Honor was first. You'll be second.

[AdultMovies.bz]

Its pretty funny actually... Bush kills thousands of people, creates a war under false pretenses, causes a 7 trillion dollar defficit, etc... and the best that bush supporters can provide is a tape of some POWs bitchin bout Kerry? WTF? lol

[ezrydn]

If you don't get it, then you deserve Kerry as your President.

I guess you had to be there.

It goes to "character." Look it up. Maybe it's a quality that's just not important to you.

Bin Laden want's him and so do you. Have you listened to the total ULB tape or just what the "talking heads" have told you? You're in good company.

"Papa Ho" would be proud of you.

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by ezrydn
.........
I guess you had to be there.
........

This is true... and I was.. and bad things did happen..

The guy that mentioned the My Lai Massacre was full of shit when he said Calley was, "punished"..

He spend 2 days in jail and a little house arrest time..

These guys talked like we were a bunch of little choir boys over there..

There were kids that were drafted that were petrified and either stayed so smoked up that they had no idea of what was going on, or they turned into animals.

There was so much shit that went on, on both sides, that was unbelievable..

Not a big thing for an nva to be push out of a chopper..

Little girls raped.. old people killed... and on and on.. and yes.. these were U.S. soldiers..

The Viet Nam conflict (never declared a war) did create some monsters.. and no.. not all soldiers were that way, but there were many.. and to listen to these guys talk like we were perfect gentlemen is a joke..

It's almost hilarious how this investigative reporter uses his words in a fashion to, "imply" that Kerry caused it all..

[tony286]

Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
I dont care if he fucked honor in the ass he's still better than bush!

Thank you so true lol

[emthree]

Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz
Its pretty funny actually... Bush kills thousands of people, creates a war under false pretenses, causes a 7 trillion dollar defficit, etc... and the best that bush supporters can provide is a tape of some POWs bitchin bout Kerry? WTF? lol

[ezrydn]

Scooter,

You imply that "kerry caused it ALL." No, not all. But, to cause ANY of it, leads one to question "character."

Evidently you were in a different time/place than I (65-66, B/1/7, 11 Bravo RTO). You can see what my second day was like this next weekend on TBS (9pm EST). And it only got harder.

Since no one's gonna change their minds about "WHO" at this point, it's really a theoretical discussion.

Today at coffee, another VN bud and I were talking and he said something that almost made me loose the coffee. He said this: "Think about it. Bill Clinton as Leader of the World, i.e., Sec Gen of the UN and Hillary as President of the Free World."

Now, there's an idea that would make ya choke! And, think about the number of interns he'd have access to!

If you were there, Welcome Home!

[CamChicks]

Originally posted by ezrydn
But, to cause ANY of it, leads one to question "character."

If Kerry, and people like him, had not returned and informed the American people of the reality of Vietnam, then thousands more would have died. He helped save a generation of 16-17 year olds from that horror. There's nothing shameful about being a whistleblower. That takes good strong character. Protecting the good of the people of this nation is more important than protecting a corrupt administration.

Do these anti-Kerry people honestly think it would have been better if everyone just shut up and pretended everything in Vietnam was going great? I doubt it ... but ... that's what they want us to do now about Iraq .. so, I dunno, maybe protecting a fantasy is more imporant to them than facing real problems.

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz
Its pretty funny actually... Bush kills thousands of people, creates a war under false pretenses, causes a 7 trillion dollar defficit, etc... and the best that bush supporters can provide is a tape of some POWs bitchin bout Kerry? WTF? lol

sooo true, how do people not get that?

[EviLSuperstaR]

Originally posted by CamChicks
If Kerry, and people like him, had not returned and informed the American people of the reality of Vietnam, then thousands more would have died. He helped save a generation of 16-17 year olds from that horror. There's nothing shameful about being a whistleblower. That takes good strong character. Protecting the good of the people of this nation is more important than protecting a corrupt administration.

Do these anti-Kerry people honestly think it would have been better if everyone just shut up and pretended everything in Vietnam was going great? I doubt it ... but ... that's what they want us to do now about Iraq .. so, I dunno, maybe protecting a fantasy is more imporant to them than facing real problems.

Exactly. Kerry and many others were right and the Vietnam conflict was wrong, as proven by history.

I recommend all of you that think differently to go to Saigon (Ho Chi Minh) and visit the Museum Of American War Atrocities. If you think beheadings are cruel, you will see a picture of smiling GI's posing with a freshly beheaded vietcong. But the worst are the pictures of Mai Lai, and the effects of US chemical weapons (Agent Orange) on Vietnamese children and unborn foetus.

[Crazy1]

great link.. thanks for one more reason to vote bush.

[Probono]

Originally posted by Crazy1
great link.. thanks for one more reason to vote bush.

and one more reason not to buy content from you

[xclusive]

Well here's a link to Bush's Vietnam Service movie...LINK

[CET]

Originally posted by CamChicks
If Kerry, and people like him, had not returned and informed the American people of the reality of Vietnam, then thousands more would have died. He helped save a generation of 16-17 year olds from that horror. There's nothing shameful about being a whistleblower. That takes good strong character. Protecting the good of the people of this nation is more important than protecting a corrupt administration.

Do these anti-Kerry people honestly think it would have been better if everyone just shut up and pretended everything in Vietnam was going great? I doubt it ... but ... that's what they want us to do now about Iraq .. so, I dunno, maybe protecting a fantasy is more imporant to them than facing real problems.

I don't mind whistle blowing, as a matter of fact, I respect whistle blowers. What I do mind and don't respect are "whistle blowers" who make shit up to make a name for themselves. John Kerry's testimony was bullshit and there are a few logical questions and points that simple, socratic and easily lead one to that conclusion.

John Kerry said he witnessed many of the described attrocites. If so, then as an officer he is obligated to try to stop said attrocities and report them. He testified that he did neither. Therefore he is either a liar or a war criminal. If he is a war criminal, then why wasn't he ever punished under the UCMJ as other war criminals were? Why is there no record of him reporting these war crimes before his testimony? Why did he wait until he was a civilian (and still wearing his uniform at opportune times, with ribbons and medals strategically and improperly placed)?

Conclusion: the guy was establishing himself for a future political career.

Further evidence of this conclusion: John Kerry has NEVER held a job in the private sector. He has always worked for the government and financially gotten by as a rich kid and married to rich women.

[CET]

Originally posted by xclusive
Well here's a link to Bush's Vietnam Service movie...LINK

This link didn't work for me. Is the URL correct?

[Peacemaker]

its somehow amusing how the bush supporters try put kerry in a bad light.

if i just look at that bush idiot, who started a war for oil, sending out thousands of young people, in the risk that they die, i am somewhat wondering how you american can trust in such an idiot.

sorry, but sometimes i dont understand some of you americans

[CET]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
its somehow amusing how the bush supporters try put kerry in a bad light.

Kerry's a politician, it's easy to put any politician in a bad light beacuse politicians make a living off of trying to gain power. Anyone with such aspirations is likely to be a not too good person. He who desires power does not deserve it.

BTW, I'm not a Bush supporter, I'm an independent. IMHO, both Bush and Kerry are worthless individuals and I plan on "wasting my vote" on a 3rd party candidate.

Originally posted by Peacemaker
if i just look at that bush idiot, who started a war for oil, sending out thousands of young people, in the risk that they die, i am somewhat wondering how you american can trust in such an idiot.

sorry, but sometimes i dont understand some of you americans

1. We're not talking about Bush, we're talking about Kerry. You're committing what's called a Red Herring Argument.

2. War for oil is old rhetoric with absolutely NO PROOF. It's empty rhetoric, but no one has proved it. If we went to war for oil, it stands to figure that the oil would have been taken, but none of it has been.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by CET
Kerry's a politician, it's easy to put any politician in a bad light beacuse politicians make a living off of trying to gain power. Anyone with such aspirations is likely to be a not too good person. He who desires power does not deserve it.

BTW, I'm not a Bush supporter, I'm an independent. IMHO, both Bush and Kerry are worthless individuals and I plan on "wasting my vote" on a 3rd party candidate.



1. We're not talking about Bush, we're talking about Kerry. You're committing what's called a Red Herring Argument.

2. War for oil is old rhetoric with absolutely NO PROOF. It's empty rhetoric, but no one has proved it. If we went to war for oil, it stands to figure that the oil would have been taken, but none of it has been.

1. i was just "comparing" bush and kerry.. how the reps try to slap on kerry .. and me, as an european looking at bush what the cowboy is doing.

2. well, ofcourse they will never admit it. but where is the proof that they have been nuclar weapons? or chemicals? those "proves" they had before starting the war, were WRONG..

dont get me wrong.. i dont want to offend you, but i really really cant understand it. war is a bad thing. we had a lot of wars here in our country back some time, and i am happy that i did not live back then.

i think war should only be started if it is really necessary.. and this war, was not necessary at all. Saddam had not a chance, even if he liked too, to attack the US.

[CET]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
1. i was just "comparing" bush and kerry.. how the reps try to slap on kerry .. and me, as an european looking at bush what the cowboy is doing.

He's generally unpopular in Europe because he is uncharasmatic, a bad public speaker and not as liberal as Europe generally is.

Originally posted by Peacemaker
2. well, ofcourse they will never admit it. but where is the proof that they have been nuclar weapons? or chemicals? those "proves" they had before starting the war, were WRONG.

I'm sorry, but you're distracting from the point again. PROVE that oil is being stolen from Iraq and that said action was the basis for the war.

Originally posted by Peacemaker
dont get me wrong.. i dont want to offend you, but i really really cant understand it. war is a bad thing. we had a lot of wars here in our country back some time, and i am happy that i did not live back then.

i think war should only be started if it is really necessary.. and this war, was not necessary at all. Saddam had not a chance, even if he liked too, to attack the US.

Don't worry, I'm not at all offended. I don't get my feelings hurt by someone who holds a different point of view then myself.

I don't disagree that the war in Iraq was badly sold, planned and executed. Nor do I think it solved much of anything, but instead created new problems. Saddam was just about starved to death by the sanctions and his killing the Iraqi economy by building palaces while unemployment grew.

Further, I don't believe that we can build world peace on empty stomachs, unemployment and more violence.

[KRL]

You have to be a complete and utter moron to support an administration that wants to put everyone in this industry out of business.

What the fuck is up with you guys that support Bush.

My God I can't even believe we have so many here.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by CET
He's generally unpopular in Europe because he is uncharasmatic, a bad public speaker and not as liberal as Europe generally is.



I'm sorry, but you're distracting from the point again. PROVE that oil is being stolen from Iraq and that said action was the basis for the war.



Don't worry, I'm not at all offended. I don't get my feelings hurt by someone who holds a different point of view then myself.

I don't disagree that the war in Iraq was badly sold, planned and executed. Nor do I think it solved much of anything, but instead created new problems. Saddam was just about starved to death by the sanctions and his killing the Iraqi economy by building palaces while unemployment grew.

Further, I don't believe that we can build world peace on empty stomachs, unemployment and more violence.

its not about oil beeing stolen.. but who do you think, or which companies from which country will be in iraq in the future? i have seen several "news" on tv were you could see managers or whatever from american oil companies debating on how much worth it is to invest in the iraq.

and yes, you just made yourself more enemies. i see all those news on tv here, and how the iraqs are so angry about the americans, what they have done to them.

sure, they are also people who are happy that saddam is gone.. but still, you made more enemies.

"He's generally unpopular in Europe because he is uncharasmatic, a bad public speaker and not as liberal as Europe generally is."

well, think.. he started a war without having the UN behind him. I live in a "UN state", and i totaly agree with the UN not to get involved into this war..
and how can so many countries be wrong who did not follow the US?

there must be some reason.. and its not about him beeing a "bad speaker" or something like that.

[uno]

Originally posted by CET
Kerry's a politician, it's easy to put any politician in a bad light beacuse politicians make a living off of trying to gain power. Anyone with such aspirations is likely to be a not too good person. He who desires power does not deserve it.

BTW, I'm not a Bush supporter, I'm an independent. IMHO, both Bush and Kerry are worthless individuals and I plan on "wasting my vote" on a 3rd party candidate.



1. We're not talking about Bush, we're talking about Kerry. You're committing what's called a Red Herring Argument.

2. War for oil is old rhetoric with absolutely NO PROOF. It's empty rhetoric, but no one has proved it. If we went to war for oil, it stands to figure that the oil would have been taken, but none of it has been.

Logic has no place on GFY!

Seriously man, you'll only want to scoop out your own eyeballs with toenail clippings if you keep trying.

[CET]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
its not about oil beeing stolen.. but who do you think, or which companies from which country will be in iraq in the future? i have seen several "news" on tv were you could see managers or whatever from american oil companies debating on how much worth it is to invest in the iraq.

There's a world of difference between investing and stealing. If I give you some money to create infrastructure to operate better and ask for some profits in return, am I "stealing" your profits? If that's the case, then EVERYONE who trades in ANY stock market is a thief.

[CET]

Originally posted by uno
Logic has no place on GFY!

Seriously man, you'll only want to scoop out your own eyeballs with toenail clippings if you keep trying.

Can't help it, I'm an amateur logician, it's a hobby that permeates my life. Don't worry, those who have logic on their side inevitably win over those who do not. Besides, I'm not worried about those who disagree and go into fits of name calling. Resorting to name calling is a sure sign of loss. Those who do not have ground to stand on resort to insults, therefore, I win.

[ezrydn]

"The war was to get Iraq's oil."

Oh? BTW, how much are you paying for a gallon/liter these days?

How much were you paying for the same gallon/liter 4 years ago?

So, where's the oil? Saddam hide it?



And, someone else hit the nail on the head with "Logic has no place on GFY."

[Slick]

Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz
Its pretty funny actually... Bush kills thousands of people, creates a war under false pretenses, causes a 7 trillion dollar defficit, etc... and the best that bush supporters can provide is a tape of some POWs bitchin bout Kerry? WTF? lol

Right on !!!

Where was Bush when all of that was going on ? Smoking pot and getting drunk, ha ha ha.

OOOOOH YEAH, he's a "born again Christian", that makes him all better now. If he was such a loving Christian, he wouldn't have went in there like he did.

[Joe Citizen]

Kerry told the truth about the baby killers and he's a traitor?

[CET]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Kerry told the truth about the baby killers and he's a traitor?

Please explain how he was telling the truth. If he was telling the truth, then he himself is guilty of war crimes by both participating and by not trying to stop them and report them.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by CET
Please explain how he was telling the truth. If he was telling the truth, then he himself is guilty of war crimes by both participating and by not trying to stop them and report them.

He came forward and had the courage to own up about what was going on. Many others did also.

We already know war crimes and atrocities were being committed on Vietnamese civilians by American troops. You have heard of My Lai have you not?

[CET]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
He came forward and had the courage to own up about what was going on. Many others did also.

We already know war crimes and atrocities were being committed on Vietnamese civilians by American troops. You have heard of My Lai have you not?

Yes, I've heard of Mai Lai, but Kerry wasn't there for that.

If Kerry was telling the truth, then he witnessed and participated in said war crimes, and that would make him a war criminal. If he was a war criminal, then why wasn't he ever arrested and charged with war crimes as per the UCMJ?

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by CET
Yes, I've heard of Mai Lai, but Kerry wasn't there for that.

If Kerry was telling the truth, then he witnessed and participated in said war crimes, and that would make him a war criminal. If he was a war criminal, then why wasn't he ever arrested and charged with war crimes as per the UCMJ?

When whistleblowers come forward to testify against others they usually get immunity from prosecution, no?

Also, I believe he just witnessed atrocities and did not commit them.

[CET]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
When whistleblowers come forward to testify against others they usually get immunity from prosecution, no?

Also, I believe he just witnessed atrocities and did not commit them.

He said he committed, them. Even if he didn't and he only witnessed them, it was his duty as an officer to stop and report said crimes. Otherwise, he is also guilty of said war crimes under the UCMJ.

[TheDoc]

This film is total bs..

[uno]

Originally posted by CET
Can't help it, I'm an amateur logician, it's a hobby that permeates my life. Don't worry, those who have logic on their side inevitably win over those who do not. Besides, I'm not worried about those who disagree and go into fits of name calling. Resorting to name calling is a sure sign of loss. Those who do not have ground to stand on resort to insults, therefore, I win.

Ad hominem is the last resort of the desperate.

[uno]

Originally posted by CET
He said he committed, them. Even if he didn't and he only witnessed them, it was his duty as an officer to stop and report said crimes. Otherwise, he is also guilty of said war crimes under the UCMJ.

KERRY (videotape, 1971): I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones. I did take part in harassment and interdiction fire. I did take part in search and destroy missions, in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these, I find out later on, these acts are contrary to the Hague and Geneva conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the application of the Nuremberg principles is, in fact, guilty.

[Webmaster_Logic]

Originally posted by ezrydn
Since the Sinclair Broadcasting PUSSYS were bought out on the showing of "Stolen Honor," you can now see it online for FREE:

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp

My father was there and was so many others who well tell you the stuff kerry said was true

[bringer]

Originally posted by CamChicks
If Kerry, and people like him, had not returned and informed the American people of the reality of Vietnam, then thousands more would have died. He helped save a generation of 16-17 year olds from that horror. There's nothing shameful about being a whistleblower. That takes good strong character. Protecting the good of the people of this nation is more important than protecting a corrupt administration.

Do these anti-Kerry people honestly think it would have been better if everyone just shut up and pretended everything in Vietnam was going great? I doubt it ... but ... that's what they want us to do now about Iraq .. so, I dunno, maybe protecting a fantasy is more imporant to them than facing real problems.

blah blah blah. what a lovely story
here's how it really is. he went to war, was a hero, came home and exposed injustices going on in vietnam, threw away his medals, or where they his friends? now he campaigns on being a great war hero and looks for ever photo op possible with vets. you give him a pass because you want him to win which is bullshit. thats like a ex nazi gestapo talking about the killings jews and then running on the platform "i killed for hitler and im a hero". vietnam isnt something to protest against because its popular, and then something to be proud of when its election time.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by bringer
blah blah blah. what a lovely story
here's how it really is. he went to war, was a hero, came home and exposed injustices going on in vietnam, threw away his medals, or where they his friends? now he campaigns on being a great war hero and looks for ever photo op possible with vets. you give him a pass because you want him to win which is bullshit. thats like a ex nazi gestapo talking about the killings jews and then running on the platform "i killed for hitler and im a hero". vietnam isnt something to protest against because its popular, and then something to be proud of when its election time.

Kerry told the truth but middle America has never wanted to face up to the evil shit that went on in Vietnam.

The truth does hurt...

[bringer]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Kerry told the truth but middle America has never wanted to face up to the evil shit that went on in Vietnam.

The truth does hurt...

you're right, he did tell the truth and you cant knock him for it. but as i said, you cant say something was unjust and then use it as something positive when it suits you.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by bringer
you're right, he did tell the truth and you cant knock him for it. but as i said, you cant say something was unjust and then use it as something positive when it suits you.

I always thought it was primarily in response to continous attacks on his service by the Republicans.

[bringer]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
I always thought it was primarily in response to continous attacks on his service by the Republicans.

attacks only began when he started saying how big of a war hero he was and started packing his tour bus with war vets.
"look at me! -kerry 04"

[CamChicks]

Originally posted by bringer
blah blah blah. what a lovely story
here's how it really is. he went to war, was a hero, came home and exposed injustices going on in vietnam, threw away his medals, or where they his friends? now he campaigns on being a great war hero and looks for ever photo op possible with vets. you give him a pass because you want him to win which is bullshit. thats like a ex nazi gestapo talking about the killings jews and then running on the platform "i killed for hitler and im a hero". vietnam isnt something to protest against because its popular, and then something to be proud of when its election time.

He gets credit for being brave enough to go. And he gets credit for telling us the truth when he came home. It's not "pick one or the other". The merits of each act are not mutually exclusive.

Contrary to what some republicans seem to believe, you can have both big balls and credibility. You don't have to choose between 'tough' and 'smart'.

The difference between the USA and Nazi Germany are that we have people willing to stand up to our leaders and hold them accountable. (like Kerry did) If Germany had citizenry like that in 1940, maybe Hitler wouldn't have gone so far.

[uno]

Originally posted by bringer
you're right, he did tell the truth and you cant knock him for it. but as i said, you cant say something was unjust and then use it as something positive when it suits you.

Why can't he use something positive that he did just because it was from an unjust war?

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by CET
Yes, I've heard of Mai Lai, but Kerry wasn't there for that.

If Kerry was telling the truth, then he witnessed and participated in said war crimes, and that would make him a war criminal. If he was a war criminal, then why wasn't he ever arrested and charged with war crimes as per the UCMJ?

Same reason most every other fuckhead wasn't.

By the way my "logic" tells me you are wasting your vote and it makes 0 sense.

[bringer]

Originally posted by CamChicks
He gets credit for being brave enough to go. And he gets credit for telling us the truth when he came home. It's not "pick one or the other". The merits of each act are not mutually exclusive.

Contrary to what some republicans seem to believe, you can have both big balls and credibility. You don't have to choose between 'tough' and 'smart'.

The difference between the USA and Nazi Germany are that we have people willing to stand up to our leaders and hold them accountable. (like Kerry did) If Germany had citizenry like that in 1940, maybe Hitler wouldn't have gone so far.

he had what, 3 medals he threw away during a protest? if he was so proud of his service when he returned, he would of never done that. oh wait those were his friends. now he's proud to be a vet and playing the hero roll which is bullshit. you cant have it both ways. i wasnt compairing nazi germany to the usa, but my example is still valid. you cant complain about something and protest againsnt and then use it on your resume as a great moment in your life. if he wasnt proud of it when he returned home, he shouldnt say he's proud of it now and hope it gets him votes.