Newbies - A Rant - GoFuckYourself.com

LadyMischief · 10-31-2004, 07:25 AM

<rant>

When I first started in this industry, when people got into the business, they had a lot of learning to do.. Most people did what they did by trial and error, and sometimes they would have someone to give them a few pointers. That's pretty much the way of any new business. You work hard, you learn a lot, and you apply what you learn to your business plan.....

But these days, newbies come into the business asking for everything on a silver platter.

I want free hosting.
I want free content.
I want free listings.
I want free partner accounts.
I want a free tgp list to submit to.
I want someone to show me how to make bank with avs sites.

Now, granted, many of the programs and whatnot are offering these types of services to their affiliates.. but what I don't get is when people who have taken NO time to do research on the HUGE number of resources available to them (and they weren't around in the good old days, or were few and far between), they expect someone else to do all the work for them?

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned hard work? Taking the time and paying a little out of pocket to make a dime? If I was starting a grocery store, what would happen if I went to my successful direct competitor and started asking him for his list of suppliers? Or how about asking for his business plan? Or about any new innovations he has coming up? How about asking him to pay for my signs, or my newspaper ads? He would tell me to jump off the biggest fucking bridge I could find.

Now don't get me wrong, I like helping newbies... but only the people who are motivated, work hard, and don't want me to hold their hand. I understand pointing someone in the right direction, or doing something nice to give them a leg up, but those types of newcomers are about as rare as you could imagine. When people come to me, or to the boards, or to other places basically demanding that people teach them what they aren't motivated enough to learn themselves, that pisses me off...

So now we're expected by these people with their mcdonalds jobs and "Gimmie gimmie" make a quick buck mentality to hand them all the keys to success? Give me a FUCKING BREAK!

Do some research.. Put in some long hard hours (that's what the rest of us did). Treat it like a BUSINESS. Be willing to put forth effort, and be willing to spend a few bucks to make a few more bucks. Trial and error is the best teacher... Instead of demanding everything, why not try your hardest, and when you reach a snag, ask for advice on how to figure it out, or hints about which direction you should be headed. Nobody is going to treat you with any respect, any consideration, or much of anything if you aren't willing to go at least that far. Stop crying that you aren't getting serious answers or are getting flamed, because, guess what? It's not going to change anything. The only person that can change that is YOU, newbie. YOU can make all the difference in how people look at you, treat you, respect you.

I know a lot of newcomers who've become successful, in a fairly short amount of time, because they did just what I've said.. worked hard, did the research, put in the time. The people who come into this business with no more intention than making a quick buck are a huge part of what's dragging this industry down.. and PEOPLE PANDER TO THESE BABIES! STOP pandering, encourage these people to take some initiative... If they aren't cut out for the business, they will wander away, get lazy, or leave, and that does EVERYONE a lot of good. NO BIG LOSS. The pie is only so big, and the more we have to cut it up, the less there is for everyone who remains. Not only that, but these infantile bottle-demanding, freebie-begging newcomers threaten us all with their less-than-legal business practices and their non-chalant attitude towards professionalism. LET THEM SINK WITH THEIR OWN DINGHY.

Now, for those newcomers who are WILLING to put forth the time, effort, and can submit to the learning curve that's natural in any new business, I wish you all the best of luck, and I am happy to give you ideas and hints.

For you freeloading fucks who sit and ask "What's 2257?", "Farm animal sex isn't illegal!" , "How do I submit? Someone teach me EVERYTHING" and are generally unwilling to do anything other than exist and expect money to fly into their pockets, a hearty GFY to you.

</end rant>

WiredGuy · 10-31-2004, 07:27 AM

Can someone teach me about search engines?
WG

Wiggles · 10-31-2004, 07:27 AM

trial and error is best way to go, i use it for like everything i do, only way to learn in my opinion.

LadyMischief · 10-31-2004, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Can someone teach me about search engines?
WG

I will, but you gotta take me for a drive in your M3 ;)

plyndrty · 10-31-2004, 07:45 AM

Nice Rant

Long hours indeed...

The Oracle Porn · 10-31-2004, 07:51 AM

I cought a cold the last few days, that fucking sucks!

69pornlinks · 10-31-2004, 07:52 AM

I blame it on NAFTA

Furious_Female · 10-31-2004, 07:55 AM

Too many chiefs, not enough indians

crockett · 10-31-2004, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Can someone teach me about search engines?
WG

ok hit me up on ICQ

chupachups · 10-31-2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Can someone teach me about search engines?
WG

I sale short priority ID:s

johndoebob · 10-31-2004, 08:31 AM

Farm animal sex isn't illegal!

At least in some US states and several european countries

drctfiesta · 10-31-2004, 08:32 AM

95% OF ALL ADULT WEBMASTERS ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS AND EVEN WORST BORDERLINE RETARDS.

THEY BARELY CAN'T READ OR WRITE.

THEY HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

USUALLY THE ONES WHO ASK FOR THE MOST SUPPORT ARE THE MOST FUCKED UP ONES.

95% OF ALL WEBMASTERS IN A PARTICULAR PROGRAM NEVER SEND TRAFFIC LET ALONE A SALE.

IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, IT MEANS YOU EITHER RUN OR WORK FOR A SPONSOR PROGRAM.

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE CLUELESS RETARDS...

Ian · 10-31-2004, 08:32 AM

Amen.

Digipimp · 10-31-2004, 08:32 AM

Keep in mind that most people entering into porn these days would be your average McDonald's employee only if they had a little discipline.

StuartD · 10-31-2004, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
Too many chiefs, not enough indians

too many gallery makers and not enough people who know html.

drctfiesta · 10-31-2004, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Farm animal sex isn't illegal!

At least in some US states and several european countries

In Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and Iran, if you are caught having sex with a sheep, you must buy that sheep from the original owner. However, if you are caught having sex with a sheep who already was bought by someone who wanted to have sex with it; then you are guilty of rape as you will fall under the category: "Men who had sex with a married woman, non married woman, a woman that is not his wife or daughter, a sheep that already belongs to another man"...

xApster · 10-31-2004, 08:36 AM

Is this thread about me ?

monro · 10-31-2004, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by drctfiesta
95% OF ALL ADULT WEBMASTERS ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS AND EVEN WORST BORDERLINE RETARDS.

THEY BARELY CAN'T READ OR WRITE.

THEY HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

USUALLY THE ONES WHO ASK FOR THE MOST SUPPORT ARE THE MOST FUCKED UP ONES.

95% OF ALL WEBMASTERS IN A PARTICULAR PROGRAM NEVER SEND TRAFFIC LET ALONE A SALE.

IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, IT MEANS YOU EITHER RUN OR WORK FOR A SPONSOR PROGRAM.

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE CLUELESS RETARDS...

Your keyboard is broken.

johndoebob · 10-31-2004, 08:39 AM

I totally agree I usually help nobody because almost all of the clueless retards are unthankful fuckers too.

Just check zzgundamzz's thread for a few examples:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=316981

johndoebob · 10-31-2004, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by drctfiesta
95% OF ALL ADULT WEBMASTERS ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS AND EVEN WORST BORDERLINE RETARDS.

THEY BARELY CAN'T READ OR WRITE.

THEY HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

USUALLY THE ONES WHO ASK FOR THE MOST SUPPORT ARE THE MOST FUCKED UP ONES.

95% OF ALL WEBMASTERS IN A PARTICULAR PROGRAM NEVER SEND TRAFFIC LET ALONE A SALE.

IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, IT MEANS YOU EITHER RUN OR WORK FOR A SPONSOR PROGRAM.

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE CLUELESS RETARDS...

I agree even if I don't work for a sponsor or program but put caps lock off

With the current published sponsor stats you're even able to see that only a very few earn more than 1k per sponsor per month and those or mostly the same at every sponsor.

There are just many here who try to keep the illusion of the easy 10-100k a month alive.

tony286 · 10-31-2004, 08:48 AM

The best is we have people who are new in the biz over for coffee. Usually its a girl and her hubby who wants to do a single girl site. I go thru my litany about only use the money you make on it for a year for upgrading equiptment or skills . Its 7 days a week , etc ,etc ,etc. Then the next thing out of their mouths is how they will be able to quit their day jobs in two months . Its like I wasted my breathe lol.

LadyMischief · 10-31-2004, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xApster
Is this thread about me ?

Fucking rights, newb.

LadyMischief · 10-31-2004, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
The best is we have people who are new in the biz over for coffee. Usually its a girl and her hubby who wants to do a single girl site. I go thru my litany about only use the money you make on it for a year for upgrading equiptment or skills . Its 7 days a week , etc ,etc ,etc. Then the next thing out of their mouths is how they will be able to quit their day jobs in two months . Its like I wasted my breathe lol.

That's exactly the kind of people I'm talking about.

Minte · 10-31-2004, 09:00 AM

In any other business helping newb's is called consulting...and it comes at a hefty hourly rate

getfreeze · 10-31-2004, 09:08 AM

learn from trial and error

Tam · 10-31-2004, 09:23 AM

THANK YOU, LadyM.... I am all about helping newbies and anyone that knows me knows this, but I want to help people who want to help themselves. It isn't even about my time, and most times I will help anyone I can with anything I can and not ever ask for a dime or anything....... but to those that just want something for nothing, well that's just aggrivating. I LOVE helping people, honestly I do.... I am all about hands UP, but not hands OUT... if that makes any sense.

Boxer3 · 10-31-2004, 09:24 AM

I totally agree about trial and error, as well as doing some research and having some knowledge of the biz before going into it. I have learned some costly lessons but am finally getting to the point where we aren't making major bank, but are consistent at least

Our affiliates have been great, and have helped us along the way, and we do the same for them, (not their job to give us shit on a silver platter, just make us both sales ;-)) we never get into drama or cut throat and so far it's working! There are good people in the biz and some assholes, just a matter of sorting them out

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-31-2004, 09:26 AM

excellent rant lady M. I get sick of seeing people get handed everything in this business without actually knowing the business itself.

Hell, I am still learning about different areas of this business..there is just so much to learn.

Furious_Female · 10-31-2004, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan
too many gallery makers and not enough people who know html.

Over the past 4 years, half of the "webmasters" I share traffic sources with are probably surfers turned wannabe pornographers. Of course the enticing $$Webmasters click here!$$ links on join pages don't help sway others from wanting to jump on the bandwagon.

Surfers are getting smarter, processors are scrubber harding and the gap between click and sale is widening.

Then everybody and their grandma wants to open their own site(s) with an affiliate program, thinking they can make millions.

Free enterprise is one thing, but most businesses and franchises have standards to live up to, the adult/internet marketing community should be no different. I don't care if I'm slinging porn or pills or remote control cars, there's nothing more irritating than watching things decay at the speed of stupidity.

When some people started in this biz 4 or 6 years ago, they weren't thinking long term. They just wanted to make as much money as they could, as fast as they could. Consequences be damned. Now years later, it's harder and more competitive and they had a taste of the money, so they aren't about to go get a 9-5 again (if they had one to begin with). So they degraded the good traffic sources and now they make everyone scramble to make in a week what we used to make by noon on a Sunday.

You know how many people I've seen over the years say "I'm helping my brother in law or cousin or neighbor get started or (insert some idiot who knows nothing more than how to open MSIE)". - It's ridiculous, they don't realize they are giving away money they could be making for themselves? They seem to think there's an infinite amount of porn sales out there. Not true anymore. There's only X amount that we ALL have to share now and that number is decreasing by the second.

Trust nobody.

WiredGuy · 10-31-2004, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
Over the past 4 years, half of the "webmasters" I share traffic sources with are probably surfers turned wannabe pornographers. Of course the enticing $$Webmasters click here!$$ links on join pages don't help sway others from wanting to jump on the bandwagon.

Surfers are getting smarter, processors are scrubber harding and the gap between click and sale is widening.

Then everybody and their grandma wants to open their own site(s) with an affiliate program, thinking they can make millions.

Free enterprise is one thing, but most businesses and franchises have standards to live up to, the adult/internet marketing community should be no different. I don't care if I'm slinging porn or pills or remote control cars, there's nothing more irritating than watching things decay at the speed of stupidity.

When some people started in this biz 4 or 6 years ago, they weren't thinking long term. They just wanted to make as much money as they could, as fast as they could. Consequences be damned. Now years later, it's harder and more competitive and they had a taste of the money, so they aren't about to go get a 9-5 again (if they had one to begin with). So they degraded the good traffic sources and now they make everyone scramble to make in a week what we used to make by noon on a Sunday.

You know how many people I've seen over the years say "I'm helping my brother in law or cousin or neighbor get started or (insert some idiot who knows nothing more than how to open MSIE)". - It's ridiculous, they don't realize they are giving away money they could be making for themselves? They seem to think there's an infinite amount of porn sales out there. Not true anymore. There's only X amount that we ALL have to share now and that number is decreasing by the second.

Trust nobody.

Very well said.
WG

LadyMischief · 10-31-2004, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
Over the past 4 years, half of the "webmasters" I share traffic sources with are probably surfers turned wannabe pornographers. Of course the enticing $$Webmasters click here!$$ links on join pages don't help sway others from wanting to jump on the bandwagon.

Surfers are getting smarter, processors are scrubber harding and the gap between click and sale is widening.

Then everybody and their grandma wants to open their own site(s) with an affiliate program, thinking they can make millions.

Free enterprise is one thing, but most businesses and franchises have standards to live up to, the adult/internet marketing community should be no different. I don't care if I'm slinging porn or pills or remote control cars, there's nothing more irritating than watching things decay at the speed of stupidity.

When some people started in this biz 4 or 6 years ago, they weren't thinking long term. They just wanted to make as much money as they could, as fast as they could. Consequences be damned. Now years later, it's harder and more competitive and they had a taste of the money, so they aren't about to go get a 9-5 again (if they had one to begin with). So they degraded the good traffic sources and now they make everyone scramble to make in a week what we used to make by noon on a Sunday.

You know how many people I've seen over the years say "I'm helping my brother in law or cousin or neighbor get started or (insert some idiot who knows nothing more than how to open MSIE)". - It's ridiculous, they don't realize they are giving away money they could be making for themselves? They seem to think there's an infinite amount of porn sales out there. Not true anymore. There's only X amount that we ALL have to share now and that number is decreasing by the second.

Trust nobody.

Absolutely. And you know, because of this, I'm almost glad about some of the new regulations that are being put in place in the US and elsewhere, both by government and non-government sources. It's putting the business in a position where it will HAVE to self-police, to some extent, in order to preserve the neccessary services and prevent legal issues that are required by everyone. Pretty much going to force the industry to perform a self-enema.

Why anyone would want to add to that chaos and minimize their own gains, I have no idea. Seems like shooting yourself in the foot. These quick-buck bozos might make a few dollars, but the means with which they do it make every click less valuable in the long run. What they do reflects on us as a whole because of their association, and in the long run, that's just plain bad for business.

fris · 10-31-2004, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by drctfiesta
I AM A RETARDED SURFER!!
...

evanmorgan · 10-31-2004, 09:47 AM

Fuck Me that was boring.....

NaughtyJenn · 10-31-2004, 01:03 PM

Sounds like you have had it LadyM;)

mary34d · 10-31-2004, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Can someone teach me about search engines?
WG

i luv u wired guy

DirtyRider · 10-31-2004, 02:12 PM

Yeah I hear what your saying. I get pissed off with a lot of the new shit thats coming out form newbs. But nothing seems to be stopping them.

Babagirls · 10-31-2004, 02:18 PM

theres 2 types of newbies:

1) newbies that want to learn and really make a good living from this biz and asks important questions once in a while and will eventually become one of the future successful webmasters to bank off this biz.

2) newbies that have heard success storys and want the money without the hard work, asks stupid questions constantly, wants someone to hold their hand, bitches about not making money and in frustration, begs for more help. Basically, they want the paychecks, but they dont want to work for them (or understand how they got them.)

The Other Steve · 10-31-2004, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

You know how many people I've seen over the years say "I'm helping my brother in law or cousin or neighbor get started or (insert some idiot who knows nothing more than how to open MSIE)". - It's ridiculous, they don't realize they are giving away money they could be making for themselves? They seem to think there's an infinite amount of porn sales out there. Not true anymore. There's only X amount that we ALL have to share now and that number is decreasing by the second.

Trust nobody.

Try telling that to some of the clueless idiots who want to be legends in their own lunchtime on a couple of newbie boards. There is one in particular who keeps telling newbies that market is limitless as they try to peddle their own weak product to clueless newbies

It's sad to see that the best newbie board out there is the one that seems to get the least amount of page views.

dunefield · 10-31-2004, 02:38 PM

i do trial and error but they end up all errors

MrIzzz · 10-31-2004, 02:44 PM

you are so damn sexxxy when you rant like this

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

jact · 10-31-2004, 02:46 PM

I hate 99.27% of all newbies. I still haven't found a newbie I didn't hate, but I've reserved this percentage just in case I actually meet one that isn't a lazy clueless idiot.

LadyMischief · 11-01-2004, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrIzzz
you are so damn sexxxy when you rant like this

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wanna hump?

sickkittens · 11-01-2004, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Wanna hump?

Stop asking for freebies with Izzz.

CheneyRumsfeld · 11-01-2004, 07:58 AM

this is a business not a charity. don't tell them anything. let then figure it out for themselves. sink or swim. to many in the internet biz anyway, dilutes the value of the product, adult or mainstream.

you don't like that?
GFY

Tipsy · 11-01-2004, 08:00 AM

The best example I've seen lately was a newbie getting pissy on a board because people wouldn't build her pages for her. It seems people who offered to build her site wanted paying and they should have been doing it for free according to her.

You gotta laugh

Dalai lama · 11-01-2004, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy
The best example I've seen lately was a newbie getting pissy on a board because people wouldn't build her pages for her. It seems people who offered to build her site wanted paying and they should have been doing it for free according to her.

You gotta laugh

what he said

wyldblyss · 11-01-2004, 08:02 AM

Agreed. Most new people think you can get rich in porn by just following a step by step guide that won't take you more than 10 minutes to complete. Then you just sit back and order your sports cars because the money will just flow in.

groark · 11-01-2004, 08:06 AM

Yeah... hard work.. go for it.
yeah.. uhm..

LadyMischief · 11-01-2004, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sickkittens
Stop asking for freebies with Izzz.

Step off, Izzy is mine for at least three days a week.

Hater!

LadyMischief · 11-01-2004, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by groark
Yeah... hard work.. go for it.
yeah.. uhm..

So how many sales do YOU average a day?

10-31-2004, 07:25 AM	#1
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Newbies - A Rant <rant> When I first started in this industry, when people got into the business, they had a lot of learning to do.. Most people did what they did by trial and error, and sometimes they would have someone to give them a few pointers. That's pretty much the way of any new business. You work hard, you learn a lot, and you apply what you learn to your business plan..... But these days, newbies come into the business asking for everything on a silver platter. I want free hosting. I want free content. I want free listings. I want free partner accounts. I want a free tgp list to submit to. I want someone to show me how to make bank with avs sites. Now, granted, many of the programs and whatnot are offering these types of services to their affiliates.. but what I don't get is when people who have taken NO time to do research on the HUGE number of resources available to them (and they weren't around in the good old days, or were few and far between), they expect someone else to do all the work for them? Whatever happened to good old-fashioned hard work? Taking the time and paying a little out of pocket to make a dime? If I was starting a grocery store, what would happen if I went to my successful direct competitor and started asking him for his list of suppliers? Or how about asking for his business plan? Or about any new innovations he has coming up? How about asking him to pay for my signs, or my newspaper ads? He would tell me to jump off the biggest fucking bridge I could find. Now don't get me wrong, I like helping newbies... but only the people who are motivated, work hard, and don't want me to hold their hand. I understand pointing someone in the right direction, or doing something nice to give them a leg up, but those types of newcomers are about as rare as you could imagine. When people come to me, or to the boards, or to other places basically demanding that people teach them what they aren't motivated enough to learn themselves, that pisses me off... So now we're expected by these people with their mcdonalds jobs and "Gimmie gimmie" make a quick buck mentality to hand them all the keys to success? Give me a FUCKING BREAK! Do some research.. Put in some long hard hours (that's what the rest of us did). Treat it like a BUSINESS. Be willing to put forth effort, and be willing to spend a few bucks to make a few more bucks. Trial and error is the best teacher... Instead of demanding everything, why not try your hardest, and when you reach a snag, ask for advice on how to figure it out, or hints about which direction you should be headed. Nobody is going to treat you with any respect, any consideration, or much of anything if you aren't willing to go at least that far. Stop crying that you aren't getting serious answers or are getting flamed, because, guess what? It's not going to change anything. The only person that can change that is YOU, newbie. YOU can make all the difference in how people look at you, treat you, respect you. I know a lot of newcomers who've become successful, in a fairly short amount of time, because they did just what I've said.. worked hard, did the research, put in the time. The people who come into this business with no more intention than making a quick buck are a huge part of what's dragging this industry down.. and PEOPLE PANDER TO THESE BABIES! STOP pandering, encourage these people to take some initiative... If they aren't cut out for the business, they will wander away, get lazy, or leave, and that does EVERYONE a lot of good. NO BIG LOSS. The pie is only so big, and the more we have to cut it up, the less there is for everyone who remains. Not only that, but these infantile bottle-demanding, freebie-begging newcomers threaten us all with their less-than-legal business practices and their non-chalant attitude towards professionalism. LET THEM SINK WITH THEIR OWN DINGHY. Now, for those newcomers who are WILLING to put forth the time, effort, and can submit to the learning curve that's natural in any new business, I wish you all the best of luck, and I am happy to give you ideas and hints. For you freeloading fucks who sit and ask "What's 2257?", "Farm animal sex isn't illegal!" , "How do I submit? Someone teach me EVERYTHING" and are generally unwilling to do anything other than exist and expect money to fly into their pockets, a hearty GFY to you. </end rant> __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

10-31-2004, 07:27 AM	#2
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	Can someone teach me about search engines? WG __________________ I play with Google.

10-31-2004, 07:27 AM	#3
Wiggles Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 14,423	trial and error is best way to go, i use it for like everything i do, only way to learn in my opinion. __________________ no sig

10-31-2004, 07:52 AM	#7
69pornlinks Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Heranus Posts: 5,560	I blame it on NAFTA __________________ It IS what it IS

10-31-2004, 07:55 AM	#8
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	Too many chiefs, not enough indians __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

10-31-2004, 07:45 AM	#5
plyndrty Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,477	Nice Rant Long hours indeed...

10-31-2004, 07:51 AM	#6
The Oracle Porn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 720	I cought a cold the last few days, that fucking sucks!

10-31-2004, 08:31 AM	#11
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Farm animal sex isn't illegal! At least in some US states and several european countries __________________

10-31-2004, 08:32 AM	#12
drctfiesta Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kingdom of Darkness Posts: 1,821	95% OF ALL ADULT WEBMASTERS ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS AND EVEN WORST BORDERLINE RETARDS. THEY BARELY CAN'T READ OR WRITE. THEY HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING. USUALLY THE ONES WHO ASK FOR THE MOST SUPPORT ARE THE MOST FUCKED UP ONES. 95% OF ALL WEBMASTERS IN A PARTICULAR PROGRAM NEVER SEND TRAFFIC LET ALONE A SALE. IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, IT MEANS YOU EITHER RUN OR WORK FOR A SPONSOR PROGRAM. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE CLUELESS RETARDS... __________________ *

10-31-2004, 08:32 AM	#13
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	Amen.

10-31-2004, 08:32 AM	#14
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Keep in mind that most people entering into porn these days would be your average McDonald's employee only if they had a little discipline. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

10-31-2004, 08:36 AM	#17
xApster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,188	Is this thread about me ?

10-31-2004, 08:39 AM	#19
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	I totally agree I usually help nobody because almost all of the clueless retards are unthankful fuckers too. Just check zzgundamzz's thread for a few examples: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=316981 __________________

10-31-2004, 08:48 AM	#21
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	The best is we have people who are new in the biz over for coffee. Usually its a girl and her hubby who wants to do a single girl site. I go thru my litany about only use the money you make on it for a year for upgrading equiptment or skills . Its 7 days a week , etc ,etc ,etc. Then the next thing out of their mouths is how they will be able to quit their day jobs in two months . Its like I wasted my breathe lol.

10-31-2004, 09:00 AM	#24
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	In any other business helping newb's is called consulting...and it comes at a hefty hourly rate __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

10-31-2004, 09:08 AM	#25
getfreeze Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 123	learn from trial and error __________________ 65% recurring and 5% webmaster referral program, click for more detail! =)

10-31-2004, 09:23 AM	#26
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,488	THANK YOU, LadyM.... I am all about helping newbies and anyone that knows me knows this, but I want to help people who want to help themselves. It isn't even about my time, and most times I will help anyone I can with anything I can and not ever ask for a dime or anything....... but to those that just want something for nothing, well that's just aggrivating. I LOVE helping people, honestly I do.... I am all about hands UP, but not hands OUT... if that makes any sense.

10-31-2004, 09:24 AM	#27
Boxer3 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 350	I totally agree about trial and error, as well as doing some research and having some knowledge of the biz before going into it. I have learned some costly lessons but am finally getting to the point where we aren't making major bank, but are consistent at least Our affiliates have been great, and have helped us along the way, and we do the same for them, (not their job to give us shit on a silver platter, just make us both sales ;-)) we never get into drama or cut throat and so far it's working! There are good people in the biz and some assholes, just a matter of sorting them out

10-31-2004, 09:26 AM	#28
C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	excellent rant lady M. I get sick of seeing people get handed everything in this business without actually knowing the business itself. Hell, I am still learning about different areas of this business..there is just so much to learn.

10-31-2004, 09:47 AM	#33
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10-31-2004, 01:03 PM	#34
NaughtyJenn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 7,355	Sounds like you have had it LadyM;)

10-31-2004, 02:12 PM	#36
DirtyRider Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 819	Yeah I hear what your saying. I get pissed off with a lot of the new shit thats coming out form newbs. But nothing seems to be stopping them. __________________ hello

10-31-2004, 02:18 PM	#37
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	theres 2 types of newbies: 1) newbies that want to learn and really make a good living from this biz and asks important questions once in a while and will eventually become one of the future successful webmasters to bank off this biz. 2) newbies that have heard success storys and want the money without the hard work, asks stupid questions constantly, wants someone to hold their hand, bitches about not making money and in frustration, begs for more help. Basically, they want the paychecks, but they dont want to work for them (or understand how they got them.) __________________ Need a Text Writer? Blogs\|Reviews\|Descriptions\|Paysites\|TGP's\|Stories ICQ: 397892500

10-31-2004, 02:38 PM	#39
dunefield www.barely18movies.com Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 10,920	i do trial and error but they end up all errors __________________

10-31-2004, 02:44 PM	#40
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	you are so damn sexxxy when you rant like this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

10-31-2004, 02:46 PM	#41
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	I hate 99.27% of all newbies. I still haven't found a newbie I didn't hate, but I've reserved this percentage just in case I actually meet one that isn't a lazy clueless idiot. __________________ Free agent

11-01-2004, 07:58 AM	#44
CheneyRumsfeld Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,341	this is a business not a charity. don't tell them anything. let then figure it out for themselves. sink or swim. to many in the internet biz anyway, dilutes the value of the product, adult or mainstream. you don't like that? GFY

11-01-2004, 08:00 AM	#45
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	The best example I've seen lately was a newbie getting pissy on a board because people wouldn't build her pages for her. It seems people who offered to build her site wanted paying and they should have been doing it for free according to her. You gotta laugh __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

11-01-2004, 08:02 AM	#47
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	Agreed. Most new people think you can get rich in porn by just following a step by step guide that won't take you more than 10 minutes to complete. Then you just sit back and order your sports cars because the money will just flow in.

11-01-2004, 08:06 AM	#48
groark So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,966	Yeah... hard work.. go for it. yeah.. uhm..