it's true.

It's also an interesting question because Qmov seems to break the mold. They don't use exclusive content, but seem to do well. Of coarse looks can be decieving. I have no idea how well they do.

The others seem to have a unique niche. CaliforniaPimp definitely came out with an excellent product. They're huge.

As far as I know, Southern Charms isn't a paysite. It's a collection of paysites, and they don't seem to have a public affiliate program

It's like saying Tawnee Stone is a Lightspeed affiliate

What does that mean? It's a pretty simple model actually. Works well. It's a lot like AVS but only focuses on amateurs.

http://www.wifeycash.com

Tawnee doesn't promote her own site. Affiliates do. The amateurs with sites on SC promote their sites. They're essentially affiliates of Southern Charms.

I just don't think calling those girls affiliates is very accurate, they're closer to being paysite operators than affiliates.

But they don't promote Southern Charms, they promote their own sites.

www.wifeysworld.com

Yep... and several others.

http://www.wifeycash.com

Is an AVS webmaster an affiliate or paysite owner? Whatever you call it, they're under the umbrella of a program that takes a cut of their revenue.

Congrats on 2k.

Thanks man!:glugglug :thumbsup

and CCBill and Epoch take a cut of revenue out of paysites, does that mean we should just call paysite operators "affiliates"?

No because they're only processing the subscription. They're not doing the hosting, updating the main home site, getting more amateur sites up etc.

But I get your point. Can we end this?:1orglaugh

No...

that is right. A few very successful sites out there just do not want to be copied, so they keep to themselves and make a nice chunk of money.

I know what you mean. My point is that it's a little hard to refer to the SC girls as "affiliates" when they clearly have a direct connection to the running of their own websites and the content that appears on their site, as apposed to say an affiliate of TCG, ARS, NastyDollars who have no input into the sites they send traffic to.

I suppose the term "affiliate" is a bit vague.

I think what Sly went is paysites where all the promotion/traffic generation is done internally.

That's not quite the case for SC.

This thread started off well..

hell ya - they are cool peep also. They 2 of my single girl sites as 'friends' and dammm the traffic was awesome.

Judging from your past posts I got the assumption that you have an in-house setup. No clue what you have though!

Any idea how they got so big?

...until I made it better :winkwink:

50-75 joins a day? Not many.

But 10-20k a month? More than you might think.

There are lots of reasons not to go with an affliate program - ask anyone who runs one.

There are also lots of reasons TO go with an affiliate program - ask anyone who runs one.

It becomes a matter of choice and what level of success is acceptable to you.

Historically, you saw this a lot in the amateur arena. Sites started off with no affliate program, and grew to a comfortable level, successful by any standard. THEN they started affliate programs. Homegrown and Carol Cox are two I could name without feeling I was saying anything anyone didn't want revealed. Both those sites were doing very well prior to starting their affliate programs.

an addendum:

I was once told by the owner of a very large, well known affiliate program:

Unless you are bringing deep pockets to the table, a good rule of thumb on starting a paysite - if you can't make it profitable with your own traffic and no affiliates, you probably won't make it as a sponsor.

Opinion only, but I can see the sense of it.

oh

We operate around 60 mainstream sites focused on the same group of products. Average of 150-225 sales daily with no affiliates.

www.pamporn.com been around and making money since 1998 . . . no affiliates . . . . it is for sale BTW

Wow - pamporn... been around forever.

want to buy it?

Same goes for SE experts. ;)

Euro Sex Parti is Nasty Dollars

I belive he talked about cfnm.com

On another note I read that redclouds.com had 600,000 paid members in an article that was made in 2001.

The funny thing was that they was complaing about
bandiwidth costs in that article.

The most successful guys
without affiliates, dont you think?

:eek7

Don't they have a similar setup to Southern Charms?

I would tend to agree.

they have proadult.com for affiliates.

You can get free hosting aka redclouds server as an affiliate.

:glugglug