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detoxed · 10-25-2004, 11:41 AM

Its either Bush or Kerry, and neither of them are "great" men or leaders. Not much choice in such a "free" country. Two party system and the fact that a third party guy cant even get on the ballot in a lot of states will be this country's downfall in the long run.

dropped9 · 10-25-2004, 11:43 AM

Ok if you say so...

okny · 10-25-2004, 11:44 AM

4Pics · 10-25-2004, 11:45 AM

Go Bush! Let's hope he loses.

sperbonzo · 10-25-2004, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by 4Pics
Go Bush! Let's hope he loses.

John Kerry will say whatever the polls tell him that you want to hear. And you will all suck it up without doing any research on what the guy has actually done while a senator for 20 years.

suckers.......

Tam · 10-25-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
John Kerry will say whatever the polls tell him that you want to hear. And you will all suck it up without doing any research on what the guy has actually done while a senator for 20 years.

suckers.......

At least he isn't trying to have all of our kids killed for his own personal gain. Bush has a family embarrassment and has to have that taken care of and he's using OUR kids to do this.... his Daddy was threatened and beaten down, and Bush can't stand it, so he worked half his life to get in a place where he could have the power to go and deal with this... only HE isn't doing his own dirty work, he's sending OUR kids to do it for him!!!!! Now please tell me how WE are benefiting from HIS being in power?

CET · 10-25-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Its either Bush or Kerry, and neither of them are "great" men or leaders. Not much choice in such a "free" country. Two party system and the fact that a third party guy cant even get on the ballot in a lot of states will be this country's downfall in the long run.

I know it.

I hear Switzerland is a nice place to live.

CET · 10-25-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Tam
At least he isn't trying to have all of our kids killed for his own personal gain.

Kerry has always been for the war and still is. To say that "at least Kerry wouldn't have sent us to war," is just ignorant.

pussyluver · 10-25-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tam
At least he isn't trying to have all of our kids killed for his own personal gain. Bush has a family embarrassment and has to have that taken care of and he's using OUR kids to do this.... his Daddy was threatened and beaten down, and Bush can't stand it, so he worked half his life to get in a place where he could have the power to go and deal with this... only HE isn't doing his own dirty work, he's sending OUR kids to do it for him!!!!! Now please tell me how WE are benefiting from HIS being in power?

Maybe part true, but a very narrow view.

We need the oil and a presence in the Middle East. We had that no fly BS going on for years. It could not continue that way. Iraq needed to be a sovereign nation. As for timing; if you remember summer was approaching fast. Waiting would have been harder on the troops.

Mistakes, hell yes!! We needed that northern front. We needed more troops. We needed more equipment.

Kerry would have sat with his thumb up his ass while sucking up to our ?friends? the French?.

Alltopnotch · 10-25-2004, 12:10 PM

he has a point...choosing from basically 2 guys isn't much of a choice...i guess it's always gonna be like that though...

Manowar · 10-25-2004, 12:11 PM

Vote Kerry

pussyluver · 10-25-2004, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Alltopnotch
he has a point...choosing from basically 2 guys isn't much of a choice...i guess it's always gonna be like that though...

Hope not. We need a thrid party bad. If the media would give more attention to the Libertarians for example, maybe things would change.

SuckOnThis · 10-25-2004, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
John Kerry will say whatever the polls tell him that you want to hear. And you will all suck it up without doing any research on what the guy has actually done while a senator for 20 years.

suckers.......

Why don't you go research Bush's inconsistencies and come back and praise his ass.

And since you mention what Kerry has done for the past 20 years, what exactly has Bush done? The man is a puppet, get that through your head.

XxXotic · 10-25-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by pussyluver
Hope not. We need a thrid party bad. If the media would give more attention to the Libertarians for example, maybe things would change.

maybe if the libertarians had a little more money they could make a little more noise and get noticed.

Until 3rd parties start playing in the same league as republicans and Democrats they'll never get more then 1% of the vote. 3rd party candidates are bush league, eccentric billionaires (ross perot) who have nothing better to do then run for president.

Tam · 10-25-2004, 12:21 PM

I am not against War in the right circumstances, so don't get me wrong on that aspect of it. But what I AM against is the way in which Bush went about it. He went at it like a bully would..... go crashing in and not give one bit of thought to anything but what HE wants to happen. I am all for this IF it was done right and it wasn't. Kerry even stated this, he was for it, IF it was done right, and it wasn't.

I completely agree with Saddam having to go and several of the other issues, BUT I don't think he went into this with much thought or preperation and it is screaming this everyday when we turn on the TV and see MORE have died..... he alienated anyone and everyone that showed any sort of rationalization to this and would have helped had he gone about it rationally.... but did he? HELL NO!!!! HE wants to control everything and everyone. He's every bit as much of a Terrorist as the terrorists themselves.

The thing here that is really eating me about this all, is that he had a personal vendeta and nothing or no one was going to stop him.... THAT is what I am against and that's where I think he fucked up bigtime. You can't solve ANYTHING going at it like that......

detoxed · 10-25-2004, 12:27 PM

Look at all the sheep talking about Bush and Kerry in a thread about a much deeper topic than 2 lame guys

Centurion · 10-25-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
John Kerry will say whatever the polls tell him that you want to hear. And you will all suck it up without doing any research on what the guy has actually done while a senator for 20 years.

suckers.......

As in Bush doesn't?!? The Bush campaign has one message:
Re-elect us or you will DIE! (Speaking of stupid commercials..the one with wolves in the snowy forest gathering to attack something is one of the dumbest commercials I've seen!)

detoxed · 10-25-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by XxXotic
maybe if the libertarians had a little more money they could make a little more noise and get noticed.

Until 3rd parties start playing in the same league as republicans and Democrats they'll never get more then 1% of the vote. 3rd party candidates are bush league, eccentric billionaires (ross perot) who have nothing better to do then run for president.

There should be a $10 million dollar limit in campaigning for president, adjusted for inflation.

M_M · 10-25-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Look at all the sheep talking about Bush and Kerry in a thread about a much deeper topic than 2 lame guys

I am convinced that Americans don't have the capability of discussing what's wrong with the 2-party system. Sad really.
These threads always get fucked like that.

Tam · 10-25-2004, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by M_M
I am convinced that Americans don't have the capability of discussing what's wrong with the 2-party system. Sad really.
These threads always get fucked like that.

Well those are the cards we were dealt, so they are the ones we have to play... not a lot we can do about it. Ok, maybe someone can, but I am sure as hell not the one that can. We DO need more choices, but chances of that happening are pretty much slim and hopeless.....

CET · 10-25-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by M_M
I am convinced that Americans don't have the capability of discussing what's wrong with the 2-party system. Sad really.
These threads always get fucked like that.

Correction: "most Americans"

I take exception to that rule, as I both discuss and vote 3rd party.

Rinaldo · 10-25-2004, 12:59 PM

shut up already

CET · 10-25-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Tam
Well those are the cards we were dealt, so they are the ones we have to play... not a lot we can do about it. Ok, maybe someone can, but I am sure as hell not the one that can. We DO need more choices, but chances of that happening are pretty much slim and hopeless.....

What you can DO is to STOP voting for either major party and vote for who you actually like, and try to convince those around you to do the same. The two party system spreads scare propoganda to keep us from voting 3rd party and we fuckin eat it up like a bunch of obedient sheep. Stop being a sheep and be a fuckin rebel! No one is "stealing" my vote, because they never had it in the first place and neither of them was going to get it anyway. So fuck all you people who are about to tell me "you're only giving your vote to the other guy." You people use flawed logic and you're scared little sheep. Say "Baaaaaaa".

detoxed · 10-25-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by CET
What you can DO is to STOP voting for either major party and vote for who you actually like, and try to convince those around you to do the same. The two party system spreads scare propoganda to keep us from voting 3rd party and we fuckin eat it up like a bunch of obedient sheep. Stop being a sheep and be a fuckin rebel! No one is "stealing" my vote, because they never had it in the first place and neither of them was going to get it anyway. So fuck all you people who are about to tell me "you're only giving your vote to the other guy." You people use flawed logic and you're scared little sheep. Say "Baaaaaaa".

What you can do is write to your local media outlets or the ones you watch, and tell them to stop fucking up the country with nonsense.

SongRider · 10-25-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by pussyluver
Maybe part true, but a very narrow view.

We need the oil and a presence in the Middle East. We had that no fly BS going on for years. It could not continue that way. Iraq needed to be a sovereign nation. As for timing; if you remember summer was approaching fast. Waiting would have been harder on the troops.

Mistakes, hell yes!! We needed that northern front. We needed more troops. We needed more equipment.

Kerry would have sat with his thumb up his ass while sucking up to our ?friends? the French?.

Well, If we would have sat with our thumbs up our asses then the inspectors would have concluded that there ARE NO WMD's thus Saddam IS NOT a threat and over 1000 american lives and countless Iraqi lives wouldnt have been sacraficed all in the name of what? Bush? OIL? Freedom? WMD's? 911? What? you tell me...

detoxed · 10-25-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by SongRider
Well, If we would have sat with our thumbs up our asses then the inspectors would have concluded that there ARE NO WMD's thus Saddam IS NOT a threat and over 1000 american lives and countless Iraqi lives wouldnt have been sacraficed all in the name of what? Bush? OIL? Freedom? WMD's? 911? What? you tell me...

Hi, this is my thread. Please take that shit outside.

Marcus Aurelius · 10-25-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by okny

Cunnilingus rice is looking hot in that poster!!

Stamen · 10-25-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by CET
What you can DO is to STOP voting for either major party and vote for who you actually like, and try to convince those around you to do the same. The two party system spreads scare propoganda to keep us from voting 3rd party and we fuckin eat it up like a bunch of obedient sheep. Stop being a sheep and be a fuckin rebel! No one is "stealing" my vote, because they never had it in the first place and neither of them was going to get it anyway. So fuck all you people who are about to tell me "you're only giving your vote to the other guy." You people use flawed logic and you're scared little sheep. Say "Baaaaaaa".

It's a good idea, but the application itself is flawed.

The rise of the 3rd party has happened before in American politics, but what happens is that the voting body that would normally vote, lets say all Democrat, now is voting 50% Democrat and 50% Green Party - they are both pretty similar though.

But the Republicans stay united with their 100%

Every election that year would be won by Republicans because the split would be 50% Repub, 25% Dem, 25% Green.

So the next year, the Greens and the Dems would pool their resources in order to get some like-minded people in office, and suddenly you are back to the two party system.

Look up the Bull Moose Party for a great example of why 3rd parties would never fly in this country under the current voting system.

baaa

titmowse · 10-25-2004, 02:00 PM

maybe Zell Miller can bring back the dixiecrats.

VeriSexy · 10-25-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Tam
At least he isn't trying to have all of our kids killed for his own personal gain. Bush has a family embarrassment and has to have that taken care of and he's using OUR kids to do this.... his Daddy was threatened and beaten down, and Bush can't stand it, so he worked half his life to get in a place where he could have the power to go and deal with this... only HE isn't doing his own dirty work, he's sending OUR kids to do it for him!!!!! Now please tell me how WE are benefiting from HIS being in power?

Oil, better control it yourself then let someone else.........

CET · 10-25-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
What you can do is write to your local media outlets or the ones you watch, and tell them to stop fucking up the country with nonsense.

John Stewart went onto Crossfire just to tell them them. It was freakin great.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../15/cf.01.html

"STEWART: And I wanted to -- I felt that that wasn't fair and I should come here and tell you that I don't -- it's not so much that [Crossfire] is bad, as it's hurting America.

(LAUGHTER)

CARLSON: But in its defense...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: So I wanted to come here today and say...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: Here's just what I wanted to tell you guys.

CARLSON: Yes.

STEWART: Stop.

(LAUGHTER)

STEWART: Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America. "

SongRider · 10-25-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Hi, this is my thread. Please take that shit outside.

Fuck off dipshit... I am responding to a comment made in YOUR thread ....

Tam · 10-25-2004, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Oil, better control it yourself then let someone else.........

EXACTLY.... but the "yourself" you refer to shouldn't be Bush and Cheney....... LMAO

detoxed · 10-25-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by SongRider
Fuck off dipshit... I am responding to a comment made in YOUR thread ....

And both of you, take it the fuck outside. Dont make me get the bouncer.

Centurion · 10-25-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by CET
John Stewart went onto Crossfire just to tell them them. It was freakin great.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../15/cf.01.html

"STEWART: And I wanted to -- I felt that that wasn't fair and I should come here and tell you that I don't -- it's not so much that [Crossfire] is bad, as it's hurting America.

(LAUGHTER)

CARLSON: But in its defense...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: So I wanted to come here today and say...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: Here's just what I wanted to tell you guys.

CARLSON: Yes.

STEWART: Stop.

(LAUGHTER)

STEWART: Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America. "

"I'm not going to be your monkey".

P.S. Psstt...it's "Crossfire!"

pornstar2pac · 10-25-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Its either Bush or Kerry, and neither of them are "great" men or leaders. Not much choice in such a "free" country. Two party system and the fact that a third party guy cant even get on the ballot in a lot of states will be this country's downfall in the long run.

FACT: I'm moving to Canada

detoxed · 10-25-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by CET
John Stewart went onto Crossfire just to tell them them. It was freakin great.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../15/cf.01.html

"STEWART: And I wanted to -- I felt that that wasn't fair and I should come here and tell you that I don't -- it's not so much that [Crossfire] is bad, as it's hurting America.

(LAUGHTER)

CARLSON: But in its defense...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: So I wanted to come here today and say...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: Here's just what I wanted to tell you guys.

CARLSON: Yes.

STEWART: Stop.

(LAUGHTER)

STEWART: Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America. "

Yeah he's a smart guy but I think he was high on Crossfire... he had the shy paranoid kind of act that a lot of people have when high.

mardigras · 10-25-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Yeah he's a smart guy but I think he was high on Crossfire... he had the shy paranoid kind of act that a lot of people have when high.

I think he was just giddy about what he was about to do on live television

murray_dawg · 10-25-2004, 06:24 PM

Move to Canada. We can vote for like 15 different idiots.

gornyhuy · 10-25-2004, 06:58 PM

Baaaaahhhh.

BAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

ChumpChange · 10-25-2004, 07:05 PM

somebody with some sense thank god.....not only that there's only 400 bonesman and two of them JUST HAPPEN to be our 'choice' for prez

pxxx · 10-25-2004, 07:10 PM

I will rather vote for Kerry anyways.

Doctor Dre · 10-25-2004, 07:11 PM

And they don't really have the choice cauz of medias

some_idiot · 10-25-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Its either Bush or Kerry, and neither of them are "great" men or leaders. Not much choice in such a "free" country. Two party system and the fact that a third party guy cant even get on the ballot in a lot of states will be this country's downfall in the long run.

DAMN! I thought from the title that some American finally
figured out their electoral college system and the fact that
the U.S.A. is a socialist country.

...Uhmph, but yes all you have is two billionaires with no
chance of doing anything good for your country.

Revolt! Start a true democracy.

myjah · 10-25-2004, 07:17 PM

You're absolutely right.

SpikeHeel · 10-25-2004, 09:30 PM

Fight for your right to vote. It makes sense!

brizzad · 10-25-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
John Kerry will say whatever the polls tell him that you want to hear. And you will all suck it up without doing any research on what the guy has actually done while a senator for 20 years.

suckers.......

whatever works

the_wizz · 10-25-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Its either Bush or Kerry, and neither of them are "great" men or leaders. Not much choice in such a "free" country. Two party system and the fact that a third party guy cant even get on the ballot in a lot of states will be this country's downfall in the long run.

The libertarian candidate is on the ballot in the majority of the battle ground (must win) states. The only one he isn't on is New Hampshire....

http://badnarik.org

the_wizz · 10-25-2004, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by some_idiot
DAMN! I thought from the title that some American finally
figured out their electoral college system and the fact that
the U.S.A. is a socialist country.

We're not socialist.

We're a Federal Republic.

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