same here ... he even made a thread about it

What are u talking about? Kerry looked at america in the face and said he will never institute the draft. Highly doubtful

ok, the recession and 911 took us from a large surplus to a deficit.... (btw, a surplus is worse then a deficit.. in terms of economy... )

jobs are at a net loss but yet the unemployment rate is at the lowest in decades.. weird....

iraq is a war.. shit is going to happen.. could we have used more troops and sure.... could it be worse sure....

you want more of a deficit? only a democrat can bitch about a deficit and a decrease in spending at the same time...

hinderance to scientific community? im guessing you mean stem cell research... but yet you look at the fact and the stem cell research that is banned shows absolutely no sign of being better then the ones that are oked...

you are against morality?

most of our best presidents were disliked by the world... its funny but what happens to be good for america tends not to be as good for europe.... which do you want? and half the population dislikes kerry as well... go figure...

You actually went to school? Holy shit you better go back!!!

If this is the best our political gene pools can offer us we have a problem.

We will be voting for Kerry since we feel that Kerry cares more about health care and health insurance. My wife is in really poor health since she was pushed in front of a car by the bouncers at the Voodoo lounge last year at one of the Internext convention parties. My wife has currently been waiting over a year for Social Security disibility to approve her and the lawyers say it could be another 6 months or more. That's if we have any Social Security left after Bush. Also how fucked up did our economy get in the past 4 years.?

Bush took his eye off the ball with UBL and tried to make up for it this wild goose chase with weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that don't exist. Please let us use some of that 87 Billion dollars to help my wife. What's up with Korea that DOES have weapons of mass destruction and DOES have the ability to hit the U.S. with them, oh, that's right, Korea doesn't have oil...

Beside who is better to fight a war on terrorism, someone that has servered and been in a war or someone that tried everything he could to avoid being sent to war. This war in Iraq created more terrorists than before. No matter what you think of Bush and Kerry this is the truth.

So where were the terrorist in Iraq?

Bush has created more terrorists than he killed.

this country isnt the end all .. we keep going around waving our dicks around someones gonna chop that hubris right off.

if you were to wear a BUSH/CHENEY shirt in any country but the USA, I *guarantee* someone will either say mean shit to you, or kick your ass....

and dont talk shit unless you've been off of the North American continent this past couple of years.

Christ, do all you Bush backers get your news solely from campaign commercials?

Show us where on Kerry's site that he says this ya lyin asshole.

Well think about a surplus in these terms.... The govt is hoarding money... Meaning they are collecting money from you but not spending it... Which means you have less money... Which means you spend less... Which means it can collect less next year....

The you here is general... The problem here is most people cant think of general terms. They just think the govt finances should be like their own ideal finacial situation... I hope you arent one of those and then being sarcastic about schooling.

I assume that was your attempt to be sarcastic... and take what seems like an obvious positon having money is better then having no money... On a personal level that is true for yourself...On a govt level it is not true? Does it need to save for retirement?

He does say he wants to increase toops by 40k not sure how he plans to do that.. but i dont think he proposes any type of draft.. he may of been trying to paint that bush's foreign policy promotes a draft.. you know to scare people... but thats the only context he would suggest a draft im sure...

at this point, you really can't trust anything either side says 100%

they'll really say anything to win

Once you're collecting unemployment for a certain period of time, you're cut off from collecting and thus no longer counted in the "unemployment" stats...but you still don't have a job. That's how jobs are at a net loss. By the way, unemployment right now isn't that far off from when Clinton left office...

I don't think anyones against morality... I think he means it shouldn't be passed into law because everyone has morals that are different. Abortion is a prime example... half the country thinks it's morally wrong, the other half doesn't... it's better to give people the right instead of taking it away because half the population doesnt agree... because if you dont agree...it doesn't hurt you any, just dont have one. But if they outlaw it, half the country losses an option, a choice, and a freedom.

Bush was good for America? We already established we lost jobs... and have a record defecit... don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kerry will DEFFINITELY fix anything. But change is needed.

Good point about the surplus... however I think it'd still be better to have some sort of a surplus (doesn't have to be a billion dollars) than be in debt.

project_naughty, I think we're both right on most of the points...

You may be right on what the religous and political leaders are thinking.. and I may be right on what most of "the people" think.. I honestly think they are brainwashed into thinking Palestine is their focus.

Here are some interesting videos and writtings these topics:

http://www.memri.org/video/

75% of america wont vote this election, all you people need to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Only in your Republican brain can you actually justify that.

Now here is your chance to get informed on the real story behind the surplus.

I was not being stockpiled simply for the sake of hording all of the money. More than 3 trillion dollars had been earmarked for the infamous Social Security Lock Box. This money, invested in strong interest bearing accounts and other various building practices, would have stabalized social secrity well past the baby boom retirement and their kids retirements with increases of up to 25% in social security benefits.

Now we have nothing, social benefits and veterans benefits are being cut by 37% and social security will be privatized under Bush. He can call it whatever the fuck he wants, his plan has us privitizing it and forces us to fend for ourselves if we ever intend to retire.

Now the rest of the trillons of dollars was earning interest and could have been used to do literally thousands of things. One of the things on the table was providing health coverage to every child in America under 18, that would still leave quite a bit left over if was handled correctly. Not to mention the surplus was still growing. And I hate to put your Bush tax cut to shame but saving parents thousands of dollars in health care for their children would have boosted the economy far better than making people believe they were getting a tax cut until the end of the year once they realized there was no tax cut and it was only a change in employeer withholding responsibilities. If you do not believe that is true, go read a copy of the 2003 and 2004 tax manuals, it is in big ass red print, your taxable liability has actually been raised while your employeer withholding has been lowered which means this January millions of Americans are going to owe money they cannot afford because they believed they were getting a tax break when in fact their taxes were raised.

If your against health care for children then you have proven your Republicanness.

I realize Republicans do not see money as a real thing since most of them have never had to earn their own, however having REAL money to spend is far better than spending borrowed money on credit. Had America been able to aquire a large enough surplus to actually spend in real time with no interest owed I cannot even begin to tell you how much more powerful this country could have become in the next 10 years.

Funny, the percentage of Canadians who do not vote is still much lower than Americans who vote. :321GFY

Ok fucko, here ya go:

http://web.archive.org/web/200402100...es/natservice/

That's what his website said about the draft earlier this year. He has now cleaned it up into a sanitized version. Isn't the Internet Wayback Machine a wonderful thing? :)

This is what his website says now:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_service/

Hmmmm I wonder why he changed his website. Maybe he thought that it would harm his campaign to be honest about his plans........


As an Englishman, I cannot vote in your elections, but your decision affects me too.

Both Bush and Kerry are wankers. They are terrible candidates but there is no alternative.

There are thousands of terrorists whose job it is to attack America. If there is another 911 (which is more likely under Kerry because he is not as tough as Bush) then no one will have any money to buy porn, so you're out of a job anyway.

So why not bite your lip and vote Bush for another 4 years until a decent candidate can stand up who can take America forward.

If you want to keep your "cred" amongst your buddies then just tell them you voted Kerry, but don't fuck your country (and the rest of the world) by actually voting for Kerry.
America's enemies want Kerry to win because they know he will not fight them with the same vigour as Bush. That should be something of an eye-opener for you.

Bush is a big fat liar!

:winkwink:

the entire thing is about COMMUNITY service.. unless you think he's proposing to send the eldery population to the front lines. Could the wording have been better? Sure, and they realized that so they changed it to make their point more clear. Maybe you should read more and quote small sections less.:2 cents:

oh yeah... 51 left wing pussies and right wing nut jobs

I'm with you 1