Hansm

Hi, im having one question, we have all the software here to setup a webcam site. but is it still worth to setup a webcam site? would you promote a new webcam site? and what does it need to get you as affialate?

we want to know this things from you. thanks.

zigx

if it was a good looking site, promotion was as easy as possible and you guys support your affiliated webmasters, i would.

lagwagon

85$ per join would work I bet.

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lol just kidding man...if done properly, it can be profitable....web cams used to be big in 1995 then slowed down but coming back as people have faster connections now....

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lazycash

The cam market has become extremely competitive over the last year. If you want to make a big splash on the scene at this point you are going to have to have some nice payouts to get webmasters to move their cam traffic over to you.

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zigx

yeah and not to mention im sure the laws of supply and demand are applicable here -- if it slowed down that means people will start moving towards it again.... everyone likes amateurs =)

Steen2

In my opinion, innovation will REALLY help a new sponsor.

Lars has some innovative fresh features.

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Hansm

i dont know how much a person is paying on webcam sites, but i dont want much profit from it.

i just want to make it worth to run it, and that i can pay my monthly living here.

i have the software and everything. but i need to know if theres still enough intrest in it.

fris

i suggest you hang in your hat now.

let the big boys run the show

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lazycash

If you're going in with that kind of attitude then maybe fris is right, don't attempt it. You've got to want to make it successful and profitable and have some cashflow going to sustain you through the first months. What kind of software do you have and I'm assuming you're referring to offering teaser chats with private cam session upgrades. Do you have access to cam girls?

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Xenophage

I would be tough to make any headway at all at this point if your not willing to put in about half a mil and or already have big infrustructure to support it... sure you can runa small site and make a few 100 bucks here and there but to get anythign off the ground your gonna have to go BIG. The heat is really gonna turn up in the next few months everyone is about to sink the big dog. Margins are about to get razor thin and payouts are going UP ! Meaning its about to get real tough to make money being a cam site operator.

bigdog

you need agressive billing lots of upsells, thats why ifriends is at the top today

Hansm

we have the software.
we have the money. if its needed.
we have everything, money isnt the main problem for advertisment,etc.

im only looking now if theres intrest in it still? the further is cam sites i think.

Xenophage

YUP , but my guess is that is about to change in the next year !

Xenophage

welp welcome abourd them

Now paying $40 PPS per $1 live cam signup send me your traffic !

media

We're offering up to $55 per signup on our Epic Cams Program.

We've got a ton of tools and a ton of galleries for it! Check them out...

If you have models you can also line them up within our system and make some $$$ off them..

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Hansm

and girls isnt a problem too, can have 40 online 24/7 without problems to start.

bigdog

what is about to change, about ifriends not being on top? There are a lot of other nice programs, but they pay on active member hard to compete with ifriends using that model

LiveDose

Then do it. If I were you though the first thing I would do is hire someone who knows the cam business. Because you will lose your bank judging from your questions...

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I am gonna bet in the next year one of the current competitors to ifriends will break the code, and payouts per 1000 uniques will be higher on this competitor site than ifriends.. It is already getting very close on all fronts.. and in some cases some competitors on certain traffic are already outselling ifriends.. things are changing and they are changing quickly !

stocktrader23

Not so sure about that. Ifriends makes money in way more places than most other cam sites have even begun to think of. They also still convert amazingly well and their software is nice and easy to use. I would venture to say they could pay $100 some per sale an still make a nice profit.

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Xenophage

Yup well thay are gonna have to to compete as the margin war is on and is only gonna get thinner and thinner.

Shaze

Hansm....there still is alot of room in the webcam business....there are alot of features that current webcam sites don't have yet that you can gain an edge on...here are a few things that will be important, i'll start with things that cams sites already offer then go into things that aren't offered yet:

Offered by camsites already:
1) Giving affiliates the ability to customize the feeds

Not offered by camsites:
2) The ability for affiliates to have their own models and configure payouts for the models (included in this also comes complete invisibility on the cam sponsors side)
3) The ability for the affiliates to get have their own affiliates (sort of like mulitlevel marketing)

To me these are the three most important things that will give you an edge.

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Xenophage

2. you can not be compleately invisible due to billing issues. unless you are going to be doing the billing on your own
merchant accounts.. and you can have your own models just sign them up and pay them out whatever you want out of their cut we have lots of people running models.


3. In some ways we have this 10% of the sales of anyone you refer..... though we dont have additional levels... but I spose its something that could be done.. unfortunately it would only be used by a very few people and would prolly not be worth the time to code, there are only so many hours in a day

Shaze

thanks for the info...but

2) Can't the payout for all the models go to the affiliate and then affiliate payout the models?

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Xenophage

yes I edited the post above you can do this.

Shaze

oh...and for number three...it does work...i'm pretty sure flying crocodile inc. has made some good change.

check out epic cams

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Xenophage

In what way do they make money that most other cam sites do not ? the $6 - 8 buck auto cross sale monthly membership.. on the membership thats FREE ? what else ?

Xenophage

Could be but I bet anything its not even a blip in the total sales scheme. But I will look at it a bit closer. I am going to be the biggest and the best cam site out there before I am done ! In many ways I already have acheived that and for a lot of peoples traffic I am out converting everyone else. I think that can be said of most cam companies out there right now each one can convert certain traffic better than the next. If it were not the case then I would not have had yet anotehr record sales day yesterday !

Shaze

hey Lars...i'm not trying to show that i know more than you..i think your one of the most successful cam businesses out there...but from an affiliates perspective there are a few things that are wrong with your backend system which allows the affiliates to have their own models...we tried to use your system once but it didn't work out because of a few things....if you want, i can share them with you....maybe it will give you some insight from an affiliates perspective.

Shaze

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Steen2

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Shaze

not arguing with you there....i promote Streamray and think your business is the top in the webcam industry!

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Xenophage

Yup I am always open to more info its the only way I can better myself.. the biggest problem with the affiliates having their own models is there is no more margin or room to pay an affiliate more for referring a model, nor is there really incentive since we already get 30+ models applying a day. The model eventually sees streamray looks at the % and realizes you are paying them less than they could get if they went direct. Then they get pissed and then they dont work well cuzz a pissed off cam girl can not convert customers... If it was easy or if ya have an easy answer then I will do it ;)

Xenophage

Its all good I am enjoying this conversation. Always trying to better our company. Thanks for the input and the traffic ! WEe are gonna raise all payouts soon and its gonna be BIG !

Shaze

that's basically what was wrong on the affiliate side of your system also..the model is able to see streamray at the backend system...there was a company about two years back who had the perfect backend system but they didn't have enough traffic or models when they started to continue. Basically, their software which the models had to install could be customized for each affiliate. of course this would take work but imagine offering to do this for all the big Sponsor programs....each sponsor already has thousands of affiliates which could end up pushing Streamray through that specific sponsor. on the other hand, i don't see your profit margins so i'm not sure if there is enough of a margin to do this though.... so if it is because bottom-line profit for everyone involved gets to small because of all the hands in the cookie jar then ignore my post

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Hansm

WHY INSTALL SOFTWARE? Use flash communication server mx and problems are solved, no software, every computer can use it, and you can make it really good, with audio stream and video stream.

better than most of the another sites, and the nice thing real time no second delay with highspeed internet.

i cant understand some cam sites serious, are they stupid or am i thinking only of this.

Shaze

i am talking about the software the model needs to install to perform for the camsite.

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Hansm

me too, with my new camsite a performer doesnt need to install software.

yeah macromedia flash plugin and nothing more. but everyone is having that.

software is for amateur companies what i think. if they did see how powerfull flash is then then could think about it.

im not saying software is bad, but there are so much alternate solutions for it.

watch

The quality of most live feeds is still not that convincing, so if you manage to get visibly better you may be able to get the attention of affiliates and customers.
Second, it seems there are basically 3 payout models these days: Per signup, per confirmed email, and a percentage of what the customer spends.
Per email makes serious money mainly for affiliates with masses of (often crappy) traffic. Per 'free' signup (or $1) programs are many out there, but the majority doesn't have teaser feeds. The ones which do usually offer the percentage option to their affiliates as well. It's said to make the most money, but as long the affiliate doesn't have a mega site with several 10000 uniques sent to the cams daily, or unless he is in a good luck catching a few serious spenders immediately he may have to wait a long time to see the money rolling. A lot of people change horses if they don't see results within a week or so, that's why offering some kind of mixed payout (a small amount per email + a percentage or a small payment per signup + a percentage) could very likely gain you affiliates.
On the other hand, you need to know your numbers extremly well then, and the experienced program owners like Mr. Lars may have good reasons not to offer such a model at the moment.

bigdog

you really need to check out their members area then

Xenophage

Yes we did try some multi payouts and we may go back there soon. I have an ifriends membership and really dont see much more ways they make money than what most other companies are doing , maybye I am blind.


Multi tired payouts could be implemented.

Quality of webcams is getting a lot better, and soon everyone will be using 1 of 2 platforms so there really wont be an adavantage software wise from one company to the next. Its gonna come down to marketing and billing. the margins are gonna get sweezed until people start leaving the biz, and a few dogs are left. New guys will have a hard time getting in and making any real money unless they ahve 500K to 1 mil to spend on ramping up their biz.